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Steve Mills Outlines The Knicks Plan: FULL REBUILD

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Re: Steve Mills Outlines The Knicks Plan: FULL REBUILD 

Post#221 » by dakomish23 » Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:44 pm

2010 wrote:Timmy's deal is not the issue. Noah's deal is!

Trade melo for expirings (or keep him and let him opt out at year's end), stretch Noah, trade Lee for a younger player or a future pick, trade Lance, trade O'Quinn for a pick and we are in a good place cap wise.

Y'all crying about nothing.


Don't stretch Noah unless you got a stud committed to signing on the dotted line. I'd rather let him expire and go shopping in 2020 after a few more years of developing the youth (tanking)
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Re: Steve Mills Outlines The Knicks Plan: FULL REBUILD 

Post#222 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:47 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
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Yes plz I want a starting lineup of euros. Also Frank and KP fit that description perfectly.

The fuq is up with this?
This is so damn silly.
Good players period.

this

im under the impression that some people think that doncic is the only guy we should get because he's european

i don't have anything against euro's but we need to get the best player available, whether he's euro or not


Of course. There's nothing controversial about that statement and if the basketball world, in a vacuum, was that black and white, sure. The issue is whether you would you sacrifice a little "athleticism" for better fundamentals and BBIQ?
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Re: Steve Mills Outlines The Knicks Plan: FULL REBUILD 

Post#223 » by DowNY » Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:55 pm

Stretching Noah would be horrible. He'd be on the cap for like 5 years instead of 3 more. The cap relief per season wouldn't even be worth it.
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Post#224 » by Greenie » Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:03 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
Greenie wrote:The fuq is up with this?
This is so damn silly.
Good players period.

this

im under the impression that some people think that doncic is the only guy we should get because he's european

i don't have anything against euro's but we need to get the best player available, whether he's euro or not


Of course. There's nothing controversial about that statement and if the basketball world, in a vacuum, was that black and white, sure. The issue is whether you would you sacrifice a little "athleticism" for better fundamentals and BBIQ?

What does this even mean?
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Re: Steve Mills Outlines The Knicks Plan: FULL REBUILD 

Post#225 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:05 pm

Greenie wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:this

im under the impression that some people think that doncic is the only guy we should get because he's european

i don't have anything against euro's but we need to get the best player available, whether he's euro or not


Of course. There's nothing controversial about that statement and if the basketball world, in a vacuum, was that black and white, sure. The issue is whether you would you sacrifice a little "athleticism" for better fundamentals and BBIQ?

What does this even mean?


Really?

Well, therein lies the problem.
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Post#226 » by PeoplesChamp » Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:11 pm

BKlutch wrote:
PeoplesChamp wrote:Eventually all of this noise will die down and the Knicks will field a team of young athletic players running up and down the floor generating excitement in the Garden. And you all here will be going nuts and dreaming of the potential.

I've said for years the city would get behind a team like that. It looks like we'll finally get to see it.

Easy to say, because you're young enough. Some of us don't have the decades left to wait for it. :lol: We've been waiting for it for decades already! But I believe....


The Knicks won their last championship the year I was born. ;)

I just happen to be old enough to know that good things come to those who wait. We've spent nearly half of this championship drought trying to rebuild on the fly. It doesn't work.

Gotta plant then water The Garden now. And enjoy the process rather than try to shortcut it.
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Post#227 » by BKlutch » Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:12 pm

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BKlutch wrote:
PeoplesChamp wrote:Eventually all of this noise will die down and the Knicks will field a team of young athletic players running up and down the floor generating excitement in the Garden. And you all here will be going nuts and dreaming of the potential.

I've said for years the city would get behind a team like that. It looks like we'll finally get to see it.

Easy to say, because you're young enough. Some of us don't have the decades left to wait for it. :lol: We've been waiting for it for decades already! But I believe....


The Knicks won their last championship the year I was born. ;)

I just happen to be old enough to know that good things come to those who wait. We've spent nearly half of this championship drought trying to rebuild on the fly. It doesn't work.

Gotta plant then water The Garden now. And enjoy the process rather than try to shortcut it.

Then you're old enough as a Knicks fan to have suffered along with the best of us. But you're still a kid in RealGM years.
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Re: Steve Mills Outlines The Knicks Plan: FULL REBUILD 

Post#228 » by earthmansurfer » Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:13 pm

Greenie wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:Is this from the Onion or did he actually say this? Wow! Bring it on Mr. Mills, bring it on... (Well, actually, this is Phils plan, you know, the guy you just fired ;-)

Stop lying to yourself.


It's only a lie if you know it is a lie (for the sake of this anyway.)
So, let me believe my lies.
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Post#229 » by PeoplesChamp » Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:18 pm

BKlutch wrote:
PeoplesChamp wrote:
BKlutch wrote:Easy to say, because you're young enough. Some of us don't have the decades left to wait for it. :lol: We've been waiting for it for decades already! But I believe....


The Knicks won their last championship the year I was born. ;)

I just happen to be old enough to know that good things come to those who wait. We've spent nearly half of this championship drought trying to rebuild on the fly. It doesn't work.

Gotta plant then water The Garden now. And enjoy the process rather than try to shortcut it.

Then you're old enough as a Knicks fan to have suffered along with the best of us. But you're still a kid in RealGM years.


And old enough that RealGM years means absolutely nothing to me. :lol:
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Re: Steve Mills Outlines The Knicks Plan: FULL REBUILD 

Post#230 » by NYKnicksFTW » Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:52 pm

I would much rather take a chance on Trey Burke or Tyler Ennis than Brandon Knight, Derrick Rose, Brandon Jennings, Deron Williams or any other PG out there.
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Re: Steve Mills Outlines The Knicks Plan: FULL REBUILD 

Post#231 » by Greenie » Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:26 pm

earthmansurfer wrote:
Greenie wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:Is this from the Onion or did he actually say this? Wow! Bring it on Mr. Mills, bring it on... (Well, actually, this is Phils plan, you know, the guy you just fired ;-)

Stop lying to yourself.


It's only a lie if you know it is a lie (for the sake of this anyway.)
So, let me believe my lies.

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Re: Steve Mills Outlines The Knicks Plan: FULL REBUILD 

Post#232 » by CANiLIVE » Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:44 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
2010 wrote:Timmy's deal is not the issue. Noah's deal is!

Trade melo for expirings (or keep him and let him opt out at year's end), stretch Noah, trade Lee for a younger player or a future pick, trade Lance, trade O'Quinn for a pick and we are in a good place cap wise.

Y'all crying about nothing.


Don't stretch Noah unless you got a stud committed to signing on the dotted line. I'd rather let him expire and go shopping in 2020 after a few more years of developing the youth (tanking)


Listen I get the whole good players in the draft thing but the method of tanking is a complete joke. You don't try to lose, you don't put your team at a disadvantage on purpose to get a pick because you can't chose to win you can't just wake up and say let's be good.

This whole franchise has had a losing midset for decades, you can't just say hey I think it's time to compete. The process to become a winning team is to do just that win, we might not be good this year but if we have 35+ wins that means the team is developing well, keep drafting well mixed with a couple signing the culture will definitely be changed
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Re: Steve Mills Outlines The Knicks Plan: FULL REBUILD 

Post#233 » by camillepd » Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:54 pm

DowNY wrote:Stretching Noah would be horrible. He'd be on the cap for like 5 years instead of 3 more. The cap relief per season wouldn't even be worth it.

Noah should not be stretched. Noah could be a good back up big if we trade KOQ. Noah could also help Luke Kornet and our other young bugs on defense the same way he helped KOQ improve on defense last year.
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Re: Steve Mills Outlines The Knicks Plan: FULL REBUILD 

Post#234 » by Dr. Detfink » Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:12 pm

If it's a full rebuild, Mills should not have signed Hardaway Jr plain and simple. He should be focusing on moving contracts, tanking, and putting the Knicks in position to draft that special transcendent player. Yes, agreed the draft is a crap shoot but the higher you are on the draft totem pole, the more you control your destiny.

Also let me be clear on this. Doesn't matter who you bring in, the same front office is intact and that includes "Wind" Mills. Right now, this is all pillow talk. It's the stuff we WANT to hear. The proof is in the pudding.
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Post#235 » by BadNewsBarnes » Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:20 pm

At least the rebuild doesn't involve Rondo...
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Re: Steve Mills Outlines The Knicks Plan: FULL REBUILD 

Post#236 » by BKlutch » Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:26 pm

camillepd wrote:
DowNY wrote:Stretching Noah would be horrible. He'd be on the cap for like 5 years instead of 3 more. The cap relief per season wouldn't even be worth it.

Noah should not be stretched. Noah could be a good back up big if we trade KOQ. Noah could also help Luke Kornet and our other young bugs on defense the same way he helped KOQ improve on defense last year.

is he supposed to be healthy enough to give us some decent minutes off the bench this year?
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Re: Steve Mills Outlines The Knicks Plan: FULL REBUILD 

Post#237 » by Pharmcat » Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:29 pm

this is all BS to appease the fans and media. when you are giving out horrible contracts to scrubs like noah and thjr you are not really rebuilding when so much cap is tied up to bench players...Dolan has given up day to day ops to the FO, that is a great start...the next step is to drain the FO and bring in new fresh blood from outside for all positions minus foreign scouts.
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Post#238 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:33 pm

Pharmcat wrote:this is all BS to appease the fans and media. when you are giving out horrible contracts to scrubs like noah and thjr you are not really rebuilding when so much cap is tied up to bench players...Dolan has given up day to day ops to the FO, that is a great start...the next step is to drain the FO and bring in new fresh blood from outside for all positions minus foreign scouts.


THJr isn't a scrub, is worth his contract, and his age and skillset fit in perfectly with our core. We can't do anything about Noah without messing up future cap, so he's here to stay. Noah also isn't preventing us from rebuilding, either.

We just brought in someone who, by all accounts, is incredibly respected throughout the league. That's a damn good start.
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Post#239 » by Crunchknicks1 » Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:41 pm

Tim will be fine we are rebuilding you guys never happy. Smh just enjoy it we going young smh. Enjoy it
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Post#240 » by Riot Randolph » Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:46 pm

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Pharmcat wrote:this is all BS to appease the fans and media. when you are giving out horrible contracts to scrubs like noah and thjr you are not really rebuilding when so much cap is tied up to bench players...Dolan has given up day to day ops to the FO, that is a great start...the next step is to drain the FO and bring in new fresh blood from outside for all positions minus foreign scouts.


THJr isn't a scrub, is worth his contract, and his age and skillset fit in perfectly with our core. We can't do anything about Noah without messing up future cap, so he's here to stay. Noah also isn't preventing us from rebuilding, either.

We just brought in someone who, by all accounts, is incredibly respected throughout the league. That's a damn good start.
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