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Verdugo Not Included Only for Bullpen Arm But Padres Prospect as Well 

Post#561 » by Ranma » Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:13 am

Yes, I included Alex Verdugo in a proposed package that also included Willie Calhoun for reliever Brad Hand, but it was under the circumstance of getting back a top Padres prospect in return as well, specifically Cal Quantrill or Luis Almanzar. I previously included Luis Urias and other Padres prospects for consideration but am moving away from that now. I also said specifically that I would not want to grossly overpay nor would I include Verdugo just for Hand.

MLB Pipeline's top 100 rankings are a bit outdated and tend to rate polished prospects higher than those with more upside. Having said that, Verdugo is 50th for now while Quantrill is 82nd, but then again, Walker Bueller is 78th. I personally like Quantrill more than Verdugo but I doubt San Diego would be agreeable to dealing him.

You know what? If we could get Hand and Almanzar, I'd probably sign off on Verdugo, Calhoun, and Gavin Lux for them. Ideally,
I'd also want Cole Bellinger as a throw-in but he can't be traded until after the World Series or be used as a player-to-be-named-later in a deal before then either.

Almanzar would be our best SS prospect in the system replacing Lux while Hand would solve our left-handed bullpen issue. Verdugo is technically the higher rated prospect, but I like Almanzar the best out of the entire prospects included.

If the Padres don't want to include Almanzar, I'd only offer Calhoun as the best prospect in the deal for Hand. I wouldn't include Lux or Brock Stewart in such a deal either.


Quake Griffin wrote:But you'd package Verdugo for a bullpen arm?

Naaahhhhhh.

I like Verdugo and Buehler better than Eloy and Cease respectively. They just arent where those 2 are on the rankings. That's my hesitation. I'm not sure what I'd consider equal value from my assessment but it is what it is.

Ranma wrote:I've talked about Brad Hand in a post at the top of this page as well as towards the bottom of the previous one. He's actually my top trade target for a deadline deal, but even I wouldn't give up Alex Verdugo for just Hand. I've made no secret that I think Verdugo and Willie Calhoun are basically trade bait for the Dodgers to use, but it doesn't mean I'm going to dump either of them just for the sake of trading them.

As I mentioned in the previous page,
I'd aim to include Verdugo and Willie Calhoun in a trade package for Hand and one of the Padres' top prospects in their developmental system. If the Padres want to reunite some of Logan White's former draft picks with the man who oversaw the program that drafted them, then A.J. Preller is going to have to be more open-minded with his asking price.

Ranma wrote:Yeah, it'd probably cost a a premium to deal with Preller, especially if there is demand for Hand, which seems to be the case. If he plays hardball, we move on. I'd love to have Hand but not at the expense of grossly overpaying.

However, maybe Friedman & Co. can continue to outsmart him in identifying under-the-radar type prospects to acquire. Cole Bellinger is not eligible to be traded until after the World Series but he's not someone worth pursuing heavily either unless he's a throw-in. I'd love to work a deal where we package Verdugo and Calhoun for Hand and Cal Quantrill, Luis Almanzar, or maybe Luis Urias (with others).

Quantrill is a pitcher we all liked in the 2016 draft. Almanzar was one of the top prospect signings in last year's J2 international class and arguably the best SS talent on that list. Urias is an infielder in the Padres' minor league system who's shown a good feel for batting while having a decent glove; more players would have to accompany Urias, though, as he's not as promising as either Quantrill or Almanzar.
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Second Half Starts Off with Same Magic 

Post#562 » by Ranma » Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:34 am

I was watching the game, then had to leave for a celebration dinner with my sister. Little did I know that I was celebrating another Dodgers comeback victory! So proud of my boys in blue. Yasiel Puig is making the case that he wants to be a part of this magical team.

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Extra-Sweet Dessert 

Post#563 » by Ranma » Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:49 am

Man, I didn't realize that Puig homered off d-bag A.J. Ramos. It makes the moment all the more bittersweet as I had to miss it live but still cherish the feat itself.

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Post#564 » by Ranma » Sun Jul 16, 2017 1:31 am

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Re: 2017 REGULAR SEASON LA Dodgers & international 

Post#565 » by TKainZero » Sun Jul 16, 2017 1:41 am

Bells hit the cycle...
Unreal
USA Celtics in full effect. Amazing chemistry building experience right there for the main core of the team


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Post#566 » by Ranma » Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:39 am

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Re: 2017 REGULAR SEASON LA Dodgers & international 

Post#567 » by Quake Griffin » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:34 pm

Has there been any discussion on Justin Turner turning it around against LHP this year?

Homer today made me go look.
His numbers against lefties are **** incredible.


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Re: 2017 REGULAR SEASON LA Dodgers & international 

Post#568 » by Neddy » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:49 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:Has there been any discussion on Justin Turner turning it around against LHP this year?

Homer today made me go look.
His numbers against lefties are **** incredible.


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he is your average Ted Williams/Tony Gwynn against lefties right now huh. his slugging takes a dip against RHPs tho.
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Re: 2017 REGULAR SEASON LA Dodgers & international 

Post#569 » by Neddy » Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:51 pm

glad Hill didn't break a finger trying to grab that Ichiro's ground ball with his throwing hand.
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Re: 2017 REGULAR SEASON LA Dodgers & international 

Post#570 » by Neddy » Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:00 pm

goddamn it, a few innings ago it was Christian Yellich and now its Marcel Ozuna robbing us of our HRs.
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This is What I Would Call a Pitching Staff 

Post#571 » by Ranma » Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:55 pm

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Post#572 » by Quake Griffin » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:02 pm

Corey bobbling that ball.

Now Stanton is up with a runner on.


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Re: This is What I Would Call a Pitching Staff 

Post#573 » by Neddy » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:07 pm

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we just need to throw in a right handed top of the rotation type starter into this mix, and a dominant lefty relief pitcher going into the playoffs.

what do you guys think about converting Ryu into a lefty setup man for Jansen? we are not trading him. his contract is too team friendly, and his appeal to the korean community in LA is too great to let go. every time I go to watch the games in LA, if Ryu is pitching, I always see a mob of koreans in the stadium rocking Ryu's jerseys. the radio korea broadcasters in the loge seating area doesn't seem to have anyone unless Ryu is pitching.

in fact, we should make a trade for a top notch righty to join that list, and say, we get (completely hypothetical for this argument of starters getting converted to relievers) Archer from the Rays for Verdugo+Alvarez+Willie, then we can rock Kershaw/Wood/Archer/Hill/McCarthy as the 5 men rotation, and relegate both Ryu and Maeda as the set up/long relief tandem before Baez and Jansen are there to close games. in fact, the tandem of Ryu and Maeda will surpass Baez in terms of talent.
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Re: 2017 REGULAR SEASON LA Dodgers & international 

Post#574 » by Neddy » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:18 pm

man I am getting tired of Dave running Jansen out for 4 or even 5 out saves. really is time to add to our pen.
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Post#575 » by Quake Griffin » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:36 pm

Nats get Doolitle and Ryan Madson to bolster their bullpen.


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Re: 2017 REGULAR SEASON LA Dodgers & international 

Post#576 » by Neddy » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:38 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:Nats get Doolitle and Ryan Madson to bolster their bullpen.


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I know, we have got to do something, except giving away Alex for britton without a solid medical clearance.
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Post#577 » by Neddy » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:41 pm

64-29.

I can't remember the last time I saw that record next to my team.
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Post#578 » by Neddy » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:44 pm

BTW Brandon Morrow needs more burn.

Morrow/Ryu/Maeda would make a great bullpen pieces come playoffs. these internal options may be better than what we can get in the trade market.
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LOL...We Might Need a Mop 

Post#579 » by Ranma » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:51 pm

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Re: 2017 REGULAR SEASON LA Dodgers & international 

Post#580 » by Neddy » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:58 pm

lol. donny softballs. still as clueless as ever.
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