Your starting lineup

tillyoubleed · Post #1 » by **tillyoubleed** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:06 pm

Now that we're entering the dog-days of the off-season, this board is getting kind of stale.
The starting lineup always brings heated debate.
I could see adding another big and possibly cutting Garino, but this roster is pretty much set.
My SL looks like this;

Pg. EP
Sg. Fournier
Sf. Simmons
Pf. Gordon
C. Vuc

2nd unit;

Pg. Mack
Sg. Ross
Sf. Mario
Pf. Isaac
C. Biz

Reserves;
Dj
George-Hunt
Garino/???
Iwundo
Khem

Discuss........

The Real Dalic · Post #2 » by **The Real Dalic** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:16 pm

I think your starting lineup is right.

You forgot about Hezonja. I also don't think Georges-Hunt will play. I think the 2nd unit will be:

PG: Mack or Augustine
SG: Ross
SF: Isaac/Ross
PF: Isaac
C: Biyombo

It's possible to have Hezonja as the backup 2 or 3, but for some reason, I don't think he'll play much and that will probably be the thing Vogel gets criticized for most this year by most on this board.

Post #3 » by **eyriq** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:17 pm

tillyoubleed · Post #4 » by **tillyoubleed** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:18 pm

Fixed

Patrick1978 · Post #5 » by **Patrick1978** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:25 pm

Payton
Simmons
Isaac
Gordon
Vucevic

Second Unit:
Mack
Ross
Fournier
Hezonja
Biyombo

Instincts · Post #6 » by **Instincts** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:26 pm

Isaac is the best small forward on the team day 1, even if his ideal position is eventually power forward. He is the only player on roster other than ag who can guard the gauntlet of NBA small forwards on a nightly basis.

Payton
Ross / Simmons
Isaac
AG
Vouch

The Real Dalic · Post #7 » by **The Real Dalic** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:29 pm

Instincts wrote:Isaac is the best small forward on the team day 1, even if his ideal position is eventually power forward. He is the only player on roster other than ag who can guard the gauntlet of NBA small forwards on a nightly basis.

Payton
Ross / Simmons
Isaac
AG
Vouch

While it may be true that Isaac is the best SF from day one, it's very doubtful that Vogel will see it that way. He's most likely going to come along slowly as much as we all hate it. That's been the most frustrating part about this team since Dwight left, not seeing our lottery picks get thrown into the fire from Day 1.

Optimus_Steel · Post #8 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:33 pm

Payton
Ross
Evan
AG
Vuc

Going with more 3pt shooting and spacing since we desperately need it.

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tillyoubleed · Post #9 » by **tillyoubleed** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:34 pm

Instincts wrote:Isaac is the best small forward on the team day 1, even if his ideal position is eventually power forward. He is the only player on roster other than ag who can guard the gauntlet of NBA small forwards on a nightly basis.

Payton
Ross / Simmons
Isaac
AG
Vouch

I wouldn't be opposed to Isaac at the 3, but then who would be AG's relief?

The Real Dalic · Post #10 » by **The Real Dalic** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:35 pm

tillyoubleed wrote:
Instincts wrote:Isaac is the best small forward on the team day 1, even if his ideal position is eventually power forward. He is the only player on roster other than ag who can guard the gauntlet of NBA small forwards on a nightly basis.

Payton
Ross / Simmons
Isaac
AG
Vouch

I wouldn't be opposed to Isaac at the 3, but then who would be AG's relief?

Probably Hezonja or Khem.

Post #11 » by **eyriq** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:42 pm

Simmons vs Fournier vs Ross is going to be interesting to watch, going by this thread.

Max Power · Post #12 » by **Max Power** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:44 pm

Payton
Simmons
Issac
Gordon
Vucevic

Bench
Mack
Ross
Fournier
Biyombo

*The Magic probably brings one more big here on the cheap.

Hezonja and Augustine fill out the rest unless a trade happens

This SL makes the most sense. Issac gets the trial by fire treatment, to see what we've got with him. He'll be allowed to screw up. Simmons didn't sign here to be a bench guy. He could have done that with the Spurs. This allows for a very capable bench with Fournier as sixth man bring flanked by two solid players in Ross and Mack.

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Bakomagic · Post #13 » by **Bakomagic** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:57 pm

Elf/Mack
Ross/Fournier
Simmons/Hezonja
AG/Isaac
Vuc/Biz

Spacing will be tough if the AG, Vuc, and Simmons don't improve on last years 3 point shooting percentages. Don't have faith that Elf will improve his shooting much, I just want him to be aggressive on defense and offense, needs to live in the paint, scoring and kicking it out to shooters. This starting 5 in general needs to gets stops and push the ball up the floor.

I like Fournier's scoring off the bench, he can be a canidate to win smith man of the year.

I'd like to see Isaac play the 4 most of his minutes than split 8 minutes a game playing the 3 and 5. I believe he will be a special "new age" center in the short future, but we should play him at the 3,4, and 5 this year and see what fits him best.

Post #14 » by **eyriq** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:01 pm

The Real Dalic · Post #15 » by **The Real Dalic** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:06 pm

eyriq wrote:Simmons vs Fournier vs Ross is going to be interesting to watch, going by this thread.

We actually have good competition at the 2/3 spot this year. I think the only guaranteed starter of those 3 is Fournier due to the facts that he's been here longer than the other two and he can be the best shooter/scorer of the 3.

Nemesis21 · Post #16 » by **Nemesis21** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:39 pm

Payton/Mack
Ross/Fournier
Simmons/Hezonja
AG/Isaac
Vuc/Biz

Mike1989 · Post #17 » by **Mike1989** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:54 pm

I think we could see the same starting five as we had backend of the season, with the new guys joining Hezonja and Biyombo in the second unit. I could see Simmons swapping places with Ross, perhaps even bringing in Isaac to start, move Ross and Simmons to the SG/SF rotation and experiment with Hezona at PF. There's certainly options, but currently my prediction for Vogel's first and second units would be:

Payton / Mack
Fournier / Hezonja
Ross / Simmons
Gordon / Isaac
Vucevic / Biyombo

I personally would go for:

Payton / Mack
Fournier / Ross
Isaac / Simmons
Gordon / Hezonja
Vucevic / Biyombo

I'd throw Isaac in day one and see what he's got, I can understand the patient approach but we need to see what the kid can do. Alternatively put Simmons in and see if he can get close to those per 36 minute stats of his and improve his scoring and shooting. I'd utilise Ross as sixth man, then give Isaac or Simmons a fair amount of minutes off the bench.

BadMofoPimp · Post #18 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:16 pm

Fournier seemed to play better at the 3 two years ago in Skiles system. I wonder if he would be considered at the 3 or if Ross will play the 3. I doubt Isaac starts at the 3 this season.

Post #19 » by **Knightro** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:59 pm

eyriq wrote:Payton|Fournier|Ross|Gordon|Vucevic

Mack|Simmons|Hezonja|Isaac|Biyombo

This is exactly where I'm at.

Payton and Gordon are definitely going to start at PG and PF. Unless they both make significant gains as perimeter shooters, then I think you have to start Fournier and Ross for spacing purposes. Giving Vucevic the nod over Biyombo as the starting center only because I think he'd be a malcontent about coming off the bench.

The Payton-Fournier-Ross-Gordon-Vucevic starting lineup played well last year and I'm willing to go with that group again to find out if it was just a late season fluke or if it's truly something sustainable.

I'd let Simmons have free reign on the 2nd unit. He's my go-to guy off the bench. I'd let him have a high usage and see if he can re-create some of the magic (no pun intended) that he showed during this year's playoffs. Mack-Simmons-Hezonja-Isaac-Biyombo should be a solid group defensively.

Optimus_Steel · Post #20 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:00 am

Mike1989 wrote:I think we could see the same starting five as we had backend of the season, with the new guys joining Hezonja and Biyombo in the second unit. I could see Simmons swapping places with Ross, perhaps even bringing in Isaac to start, move Ross and Simmons to the SG/SF rotation and experiment with Hezona at PF. There's certainly options, but currently my prediction for Vogel's first and second units would be:

Payton / Mack
Fournier / Hezonja
Ross / Simmons
Gordon / Isaac
Vucevic / Biyombo

I personally would go for:

Payton / Mack
Fournier / Ross
Isaac / Simmons
Gordon / Hezonja
Vucevic / Biyombo

I'd throw Isaac in day one and see what he's got, I can understand the patient approach but we need to see what the kid can do. Alternatively put Simmons in and see if he can get close to those per 36 minute stats of his and improve his scoring and shooting. I'd utilise Ross as sixth man, then give Isaac or Simmons a fair amount of minutes off the bench.

Issac is not ready to start. His body needs time to get used to NBA beating and banging 3 or 4 games a week. If he is as good as we think he is eventually he will earn his way to the starting lineup.

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