2017 Nets Offseason Thread III

oldjim · Post #1001 » by **oldjim** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:07 am

FlipFlopShot wrote:
steady wrote:Does the fact that we haven't heard anything about the Nets picking up the team option on Acy for ''17-18 mean that they have declined. Deadlines today and It's been quiet

Yeah, it should be any moment now. But for Acy, who has contributed tremendously last year playing the 3 to 5 with such a low contract, the direction of keeping him should have been clear by now. What dealings could be holding this up, if any?

Yes, Acy was playing good last year , and he is cheap , he can shoot and defend..

oldjim · Post #1002 » by **oldjim** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:15 am

Prokorov wrote:
Sleepyazn wrote:Why the hell would Nets want Mason Plumlee back? Can't shoot, can't play defense, only can play one position, and he's 27. Might as well throw money at JaMychal if they want a big. Can shoot, is more mobile, can play 4 or small ball 5, and he's the same age.

because we need a C more then a PF and green is a scrub

We need PF more than C, we already have mozgov and allen at C .

kamaze · Post #1003 » by **kamaze** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:40 am

oldjim wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
Sleepyazn wrote:Why the hell would Nets want Mason Plumlee back? Can't shoot, can't play defense, only can play one position, and he's 27. Might as well throw money at JaMychal if they want a big. Can shoot, is more mobile, can play 4 or small ball 5, and he's the same age.

because we need a C more then a PF and green is a scrub

We need PF more than C, we already have mozgov and allen at C .

And Acy with Nicholson too. Guys that can play multiple positions they don't need Plumlee.

DartboardT · Post #1004 » by **DartboardT** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:38 am

One could argue PF depth is "sufficient". DMC at 3/4, Booker at 4, RHJ at 4.

A 4/5 with a credible 3-point shot would certainly be an area of need for the Nets' system, no doubt.

kamaze · Post #1005 » by **kamaze** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:10 am

DartboardT wrote:One could argue PF depth is "sufficient". DMC at 3/4, Booker at 4, RHJ at 4.

A 4/5 with a credible 3-point shot would certainly be an area of need for the Nets' system, no doubt.

Can Nicholson step up & be that guy?

oldjim · Post #1006 » by **oldjim** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:47 am

kamaze wrote:
DartboardT wrote:One could argue PF depth is "sufficient". DMC at 3/4, Booker at 4, RHJ at 4.

A 4/5 with a credible 3-point shot would certainly be an area of need for the Nets' system, no doubt.

Can Nicholson step up & be that guy?

He was horrible last year...

mozgov, allen, acy/booker is enough for nets..

Prokorov · Post #1007 » by **Prokorov** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:04 pm

oldjim wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
Sleepyazn wrote:Why the hell would Nets want Mason Plumlee back? Can't shoot, can't play defense, only can play one position, and he's 27. Might as well throw money at JaMychal if they want a big. Can shoot, is more mobile, can play 4 or small ball 5, and he's the same age.

because we need a C more then a PF and green is a scrub

We need PF more than C, we already have mozgov and allen at C .

at PF we have RHJ, Booker, Acy, Nicholson

Allen will spend alot of time in the dleague and may not be nba ready day 1... also currently injured

Prokorov · Post #1008 » by **Prokorov** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:04 pm

DartboardT wrote:One could argue PF depth is "sufficient". DMC at 3/4, Booker at 4, RHJ at 4.

A 4/5 with a credible 3-point shot would certainly be an area of need for the Nets' system, no doubt.

we have acy

SpeedyG · Post #1009 » by **SpeedyG** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:10 pm

Yeah I think we really need a perspective on how good these guys can get. S-kil is the epitome of Markinson's "project"...a dleague player who developed into a rotation player. But two years later, he's as expendable as anyone in this roster. Its very rare that an unheralded player blossoms into a star after years of wandering. They are the exception, not the norm. What they are great for, IMO, is to provide cheap depth and potential trade chips without hurting our bottomline.

We can only have so much reclaimation projects for this team. We're only in year two of Markinson, and we have: Goodwin, Harris, Dinwiddie, and Skil...and they all have interchangeable roles for this roster (Goodwin/Din, Harris/Skil).

Then we still have draft picks that need development: Dlo, Caris, RHJ, IW, and now Allen.

That's 9 out of 12 roster spots that are developmental. That's far too many. I think we need to be realistic as far as the ceiling of each of these players and what is their likelihood of ever reaching it. If I have to break this roster down, I'd say:

All Star player: D-Lo and Caris. D-Lo more likely to reach this level
Starter: Caris, Allen. RHJ (though I'm not as high as some on here on him)
Rotation: Rest of them.

For me, D-Lo, Caris, and Allen are the untouchables. and that's obviously with a caveat that no one is untouchable for the right offer. But those three should be the focus of our rebuild.

The rest of the roster (RHJ included) are nice players to have, but they should not prevent us from making a deal that makes our team better or to obtain a better asset.

We got our 2018 pick back, plus a 2nd rounder. We'll have our own in 2019. That's potentially three more "development" guys in the next couple of years. At some point, we're going to have to start cutting/trading these projects as our roster strengthens.

Netaman · Post #1010 » by **Netaman** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:31 pm

@Speedy - I agree with all that, only thing I'd add is that other than his cheering section Lin gets very underrated. The the 33 games he started last year he showed that he is capable of being a 2nd tier PG similar to guys like Teague & Dragic. Not sure if the link below will work, but the numbers are there and that was with only 25 mpg. He and Russell, with Levert as 6th man, can be a really effective rotation in the backcourt - and if they have success this season I don't think Markinson would hesitate to try to lock him in for a few more years (assuming he opts out).

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Jeremy+Lin&player_id1_select=Jeremy+Lin&player_id1=linje01&y1=2017&player_id2_hint=Jeff+Teague&player_id2_select=Jeff+Teague&y2=2017&player_id2=teaguje01&idx=players&player_id3_hint=Goran+Dragic&player_id3_select=Goran+Dragic&y3=2017&player_id3=dragigo01&idx=players

It's the front court that's seriously lacking building blocks because I agree with you in not having high hopes for RHJ. Hopefully Marks has something creative up his sleeve, even if it's just a short term move to make the team better, which will help the development of our guards not having to overcompensate as much.

Curns13 · Post #1011 » by **Curns13** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:37 pm

Prokorov wrote:
oldjim wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
because we need a C more then a PF and green is a scrub

We need PF more than C, we already have mozgov and allen at C .

at PF we have RHJ, Booker, Acy, Nicholson

Allen will spend alot of time in the dleague and may not be nba ready day 1... also currently injured

Why do you reckon Allen will spend a lot of time in d-league? Marks and Kenny don't care about winning so why not give him 20 minutes a night against other teams bench units and take his lumps? I would understand if he was only playing 5 minutes or sitting in a suit, but why not have him in there banging bodies from day 1. We did it with Whitehead and LeVert last year, I'd do it again with Allen.

Rockice_24 · Post #1012 » by **Rockice_24** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:40 pm

Speights is the guy we should go for. He can shoot, he can be had for a nice 1-year deal and he'll have value at the deadline where he could fetch a pick possibly if an injury happens to a contender. Give him 1 yr - 12 M or something and role with that squad.

Rockice_24 · Post #1013 » by **Rockice_24** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:43 pm

Curns13 wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
oldjim wrote:We need PF more than C, we already have mozgov and allen at C .

at PF we have RHJ, Booker, Acy, Nicholson

Allen will spend alot of time in the dleague and may not be nba ready day 1... also currently injured

Why do you reckon Allen will spend a lot of time in d-league? Marks and Kenny don't care about winning so why not give him 20 minutes a night against other teams bench units and take his lumps? I would understand if he was only playing 5 minutes or sitting in a suit, but why not have him in there banging bodies from day 1. We did it with Whitehead and LeVert last year, I'd do it again with Allen.

Last week Prok was saying Allen could contribute right away with his ability to finish around the basket so I'm not sure what he really thinks.

I'd give him backup minutes as well but that's just me.

Ror1997 · Post #1014 » by **Ror1997** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:24 pm

Speights is perfect. Can space the floor, hit threes and rebound. He only needs 18 mins a night so He's a perfect fit in a Mosgov/Allen rotation. Good vet, he was in GS for 3 years during their rise from good team to super team and he'd be a great scola type vet off the bench. I think it'll be an A+ signing.

Curns13 · Post #1015 » by **Curns13** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:41 pm

Ror1997 wrote:Speights is perfect. Can space the floor, hit threes and rebound. He only needs 18 mins a night so He's a perfect fit in a Mosgov/Allen rotation. Good vet, he was in GS for 3 years during their rise from good team to super team and he'd be a great scola type vet off the bench. I think it'll be an A+ signing.

I agree. He's the only player available that I want but only on a 1+1.

Papi_swav · Post #1016 » by **Papi_swav** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:26 pm

Rockice_24 wrote:Speights is the guy we should go for. He can shoot, he can be had for a nice 1-year deal and he'll have value at the deadline where he could fetch a pick possibly if an injury happens to a contender. Give him 1 yr - 12 M or something and role with that squad.

I was thinking that too, but the thing about Speights is that he thinks he's a star sometimes and he tries to do too much, he likes to throw shots up from ay deep like he's Curry sometimes. I actually wouldn't mind having him because he's the 5 with 3 point shooting that we need, but for 1/12 no way, more like 1/5 tops.

Post #1017 » by **CalamityX12** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:34 pm

SpeedyG wrote:We got our 2018 pick back

We got A 2018 pick... not ours...

Cuz ours would most likely have been better... lol...

kamaze · Post #1018 » by **kamaze** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:38 pm

oldjim wrote:
kamaze wrote:
DartboardT wrote:One could argue PF depth is "sufficient". DMC at 3/4, Booker at 4, RHJ at 4.

A 4/5 with a credible 3-point shot would certainly be an area of need for the Nets' system, no doubt.

Can Nicholson step up & be that guy?

He was horrible last year...

mozgov, allen, acy/booker is enough for nets..

He's on the books they need all the help they can get. (I'm being optimistic)

Claud · Post #1019 » by **Claud** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:23 pm

I would take Speights over Plum 100%.

shakendfries · Post #1020 » by **shakendfries** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:21 pm

Claud wrote:I would take Speights over Plum 100%.

If Atkinson envisions the Nets as a team that's athletic, runs, and hit 3s I'm not sure Speights is the best fit. Plumlee is certainly flawed but he can easily fill the Tristan Thompson block, rebound, dunk role for the team