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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#701 » by 711takeover » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:21 am

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MR28 wrote:People in front offices are dinosaurs. They truly believe playing for a winning team in the NCAA is a worthy measurable.

And for that Heat fan who thought Simmons LSU wasn't 10 times better than Fultz's Washington team is insane.

If you took Markelle off that team, RealGM Sixers could put together a squad to give them a competitive game.


Both teams underachieved is the bottom line. LSU should've been better and UW should've also been better


its obvious you didny watch a single washington game last season


I literally said Washington underachieved. Please don't tell me they were projected to win 9 games bro.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#702 » by 711takeover » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:23 am

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711takeover wrote:
MR28 wrote:People in front offices are dinosaurs. They truly believe playing for a winning team in the NCAA is a worthy measurable.

And for that Heat fan who thought Simmons LSU wasn't 10 times better than Fultz's Washington team is insane.

If you took Markelle off that team, RealGM Sixers could put together a squad to give them a competitive game.


Both teams underachieved is the bottom line. LSU should've been better and UW should've also been better



LSU was a ranked team. Washington looked like they belonged at the YMCA.


Which is why I said both teams underachieved and should have been better. Please don't try to tell UW had a season that they expected in going 9-22...
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#703 » by MR28 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:23 am

711takeover wrote:
cksdayoff wrote:
711takeover wrote:
Both teams underachieved is the bottom line. LSU should've been better and UW should've also been better


its obvious you didny watch a single washington game last season


I literally said Washington underachieved. Please don't tell me they were projected to win 9 games bro.



I was speaking on taking Simmons and Fultz out of the equation. Washington would get swept by that LSU team.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#704 » by cksdayoff » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:24 am

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Both teams underachieved is the bottom line. LSU should've been better and UW should've also been better


its obvious you didny watch a single washington game last season


I literally said Washington underachieved. Please don't tell me they were projected to win 9 games bro.


in order for a team to underachieve, they need to play below their talent level. the huskies were UTTER GARBAGE. The only talent they had was markelle fultz. this is not an exaggeration.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#705 » by 711takeover » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:25 am

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its obvious you didny watch a single washington game last season


I literally said Washington underachieved. Please don't tell me they were projected to win 9 games bro.



I was speaking on taking Simmons and Fultz out of the equation. Washington would get swept by that LSU team.


Yes, taking the top players off each team makes them worse.. LSU had a better supporting cast. I still think Simmons and Fultz should have added more wins to their teams but its in the past so doesn't matter. As a Celtics fan I hope both have great careers in Philly.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#706 » by 711takeover » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:27 am

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711takeover wrote:
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its obvious you didny watch a single washington game last season


I literally said Washington underachieved. Please don't tell me they were projected to win 9 games bro.


in order for a team to underachieve, they need to play below their talent level. the huskies were UTTER GARBAGE. The only talent they had was markelle fultz. this is not an exaggeration.


Well you can't tell me Washington should've only won 9 games. They were ranked #6 in the PAC 12 Preseason and finished 2-14 in the conference. They were ranked #43 nationally in the preseason poll. So there are facts to my claim that they underachieved, especially with the #1 pick to only win 9 games.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#707 » by cksdayoff » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:33 am

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711takeover wrote:
I literally said Washington underachieved. Please don't tell me they were projected to win 9 games bro.


in order for a team to underachieve, they need to play below their talent level. the huskies were UTTER GARBAGE. The only talent they had was markelle fultz. this is not an exaggeration.


Well you can't tell me Washington should've only won 9 games. They were ranked #6 in the PAC 12 Preseason and finished 2-14 in the conference. They were ranked #43 nationally in the preseason poll. So there are facts to my claim that they underachieved, especially with the #1 pick to only win 9 games.


the huskies were 19-14 the year before with two first talents ( chriss and murray) and a 20+ ppg senior guard. they still missed the tournament. speaks volume on the talent surrounding those two. the senior guard graduates, and chriss and murray declare for the draft in which they get taken in the first round. washington adds fultz and a scrub big man in timmons and another scrub guard

also fultz missed 6 games last year as well, and their best defensive big man missed 11 games
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#708 » by 711takeover » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:35 am

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711takeover wrote:
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in order for a team to underachieve, they need to play below their talent level. the huskies were UTTER GARBAGE. The only talent they had was markelle fultz. this is not an exaggeration.


Well you can't tell me Washington should've only won 9 games. They were ranked #6 in the PAC 12 Preseason and finished 2-14 in the conference. They were ranked #43 nationally in the preseason poll. So there are facts to my claim that they underachieved, especially with the #1 pick to only win 9 games.


the huskies were 19-14 the year before with two first talents ( chriss and murray) and a 20+ ppg senior guard. they still missed the tournament. speaks volume on the talent surrounding those two. the senior guard graduates, and chriss and murray declare for the draft in which they get taken in the first round. washington adds fultz and a scrub big man in timmons and another scrub guard

also fultz missed 6 games last year as well, and their best defensive big man missed 11 games


Yes I realize Washington's talent was trash and they weren't good with Chriss and Murray. However, I pointed out that they underachieved based on their preseason ranking.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#709 » by Kobblehead » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:47 am

711takeover wrote:Well you can't tell me Washington should've only won 9 games. They were ranked #6 in the PAC 12 Preseason and finished 2-14 in the conference. They were ranked #43 nationally in the preseason poll. So there are facts to my claim that they underachieved, especially with the #1 pick to only win 9 games.


Those points don't back up your claim that Washington underachieved. That just proves that the preseason projections were off.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#710 » by Gil » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:56 am

Fultz is going to be under major scrutiny this season with the way Ball has dominated Summer League.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#711 » by LloydFree » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:05 am

Gil wrote:Fultz is going to be under major scrutiny this season with the way Ball has dominated Summer League.

I don't think so. The 76ers will be winning this season whether he plays well or not, so he won't have that much scrutiny. The team winning will save him that aggravation.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#712 » by freshie2 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:24 am

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freshie2 wrote:Smith has history against him...undersized scorers like him have not shown the ability to win the championship as the main scoring option. Iverson, Francis, Thomas (current) all are exciting to watch, but aren't the main cog of a championship team. Smith is dynamic athletically and can score, so Mav fans will hold out hope that he can be the one to break the mold and bring a championship to Dallas...odds/history are not in his favor.

Seems like slightly high expectations for the #9 pick? Let's see Ntilikina or Markkanen leads their teams to a title.


A little out of context, but I would agree. Ntilikina probably has the best shot of the three you mention as he's solid on defense and has good length for the position. Markkanen may be a high efficiency pick and pop PF, but I wouldn't expect superstar status.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#713 » by sixers78 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:41 am

Gil wrote:Fultz is going to be under major scrutiny this season with the way Ball has dominated Summer League.


It's summer league. You fans need to really check yourselves for looking too deeply into the summer league. It's getting ridiculous now.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#714 » by rzzzzz » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:40 am

711takeover wrote:Well you can't tell me

let's leave it at that.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#715 » by dkj5061 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:27 pm

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Gil wrote:Fultz is going to be under major scrutiny this season with the way Ball has dominated Summer League.

I don't think so. The 76ers will be winning this season whether he plays well or not, so he won't have that much scrutiny. The team winning will save him that aggravation.


Not that I disagree with you about the team taking a big step up in wins, but this feels like you're kinda covering yourself from being wrong/protecting against Fultz being great. For example, if Fultz is playing amazing, are you going to think that his play still has no impact on the (hopefully) team's success?
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Post#716 » by Lou_23 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:32 pm

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Gil wrote:Fultz is going to be under major scrutiny this season with the way Ball has dominated Summer League.


It's summer league. You fans need to really check yourselves for looking too deeply into the summer league. It's getting ridiculous now.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#717 » by 76ers » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:14 pm

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Gil wrote:Fultz is going to be under major scrutiny this season with the way Ball has dominated Summer League.


It's summer league. You fans need to really check yourselves for looking too deeply into the summer league. It's getting ridiculous now.


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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#718 » by CptCrunch » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:20 pm

Winning does matter. It would be difficult to sell anyone on the idea that 18 yo LeBron James can't carry Fultz's Washington team to an NCAA playoff bid. The NCAA tourney requires you to be a top 50 team or so, rest of the bids are automatic for conference winners, etc

Not being able to do so in college is kinda disqualifying. Same holds for Simmons, though Simmons had way more help.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#719 » by LloydFree » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:17 pm

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Gil wrote:Fultz is going to be under major scrutiny this season with the way Ball has dominated Summer League.

I don't think so. The 76ers will be winning this season whether he plays well or not, so he won't have that much scrutiny. The team winning will save him that aggravation.


Not that I disagree with you about the team taking a big step up in wins, but this feels like you're kinda covering yourself from being wrong/protecting against Fultz being great. For example, if Fultz is playing amazing, are you going to think that his play still has no impact on the (hopefully) team's success?


I'm not covering myself. I hope he does contribute to the teams success in the season. All I've ever said is that Fultz wasn't one of the top 3 players in this draft, and trading up to get a lesser talent was stupid. I've said previously, I think Fultz has a ceiling of CJ McCollum, IMO. CJ McCollum is a very good player. That means I believe Fultz can be a very good player. I just wouldn't have picked Fultz in the top 3. I've been very consistent with that. Fultz could very well contribute to the success of this team and still not be as good as other players in this draft, and still not be worth (2) Top 5 picks. I don't need to cover myself for that.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Discussion 

Post#720 » by europeanfan » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:26 pm

LeBron is one of the most dominant player ever tho. He's no LeBron yes.

And unlike Wade to take someone his own size, he doesn't have superhuman athleticm so I don't expect to dominate like young Wade either. But on the other hand he has the skills to bloom later in his career like Curry/Harden and last very long at the top.

He has all the skills you want at PG at barely 19.

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