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Carl_Karlson wrote:What's the press conference about? Perry's formal introduction?
Polk377 wrote:BKlutch wrote:Polk377 wrote:
I think if he comes back the best spot for him is starting at PF next to KP. Ntilikina-Hardaway-Lee-Melo-KP would be my starting 5 with Willy, Baker, KOQ, Noah, LT and Kuz as my bench. If Hornacek wants to play uptempo that is the best lineup to go with.
IF he comes back, this may just be the best lineup. Do you think the surgery helped Noah enough that he could contribute off the bench? I haven't heard anything about him all summer (and I know he's keeping a low profile so people don't get angry at him).
No one knows about Noah at this point. I would like to think he can still contribute on the defensive end and on the glass but who knows. At this point I would assume that he is the 3rd big off the bench behind Willy and KOQ if they were to go with this lineup.
knuckles862 wrote:drekwins wrote:Handledatruth wrote:Yes, the experience and leadership that Spree and Cassell brought to the Wolves was equivalent to what Cassell brought to Denver. This explains why KG didn't leave the first round without them. You act as if Cassell and Sprewell did not have their own deep runs in the playoffs prior to joining the Wolves.Now if your argument is that Cassell was the best player in Denver at the time, then I don't know what to say
Billups was really really good.. in fact, he was 3rd team All NBA that year. Guess who else was also on the 3rd team that year... You got that right, Melo. Melo didn't even make the All-NBA team the year before without Billups. People here think Melo is something that he's not. It's mind boggling.
didn't melo make 3rd team twice before billups arrived?
moocow007 wrote:So I missed nothing?
3toheadmelo wrote:one thing is for sure
stars DO want to play with melo
hope that dumb narrative that "no one wants to play with melo" is put to rest
louieOrr wrote:dakomish23 wrote:louieOrr wrote:
It does. One waited it out and was gifted to the Celts. The other forced a trade that gutted the team of assets. Thus the different trajectory
Unequivocally false
BOS traded a ton of prospects in the KG deal including an up and coming Al Jefferson at the time, who was far superior to any project we sent out.
Also, a player can't force his way off a team or make the team trading for him give up any less or more for him. That is up to the FO.
Nice try
BS
Melo wanted the sign and trade. He wasn't going into the new cba without it. He said he'd go to BK if we didn't want him. He leveraged that Denver would end up with nothing for him and thereby forced the trade. Using BK to this end forced us to up loose more assets then we had to. In fact if he really cared about winning in NY he would have signed as a free agent period. Had he not taken the extra year from Denver on his extension he could have avoided the whole mess.
Don't even try that ish lol
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor
Fury wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:one thing is for sure
stars DO want to play with melo
hope that dumb narrative that "no one wants to play with melo" is put to rest
Yeha they wanna play with him as long as they don't give up **** for him
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor
dakomish23 wrote:Fury wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:one thing is for sure
stars DO want to play with melo
hope that dumb narrative that "no one wants to play with melo" is put to rest
Yeha they wanna play with him as long as they don't give up **** for him
So players should want to give up a ton for him to play with him? Why would they want to do that if they want to compete?
drekwins wrote:knuckles862 wrote:drekwins wrote:
Billups was really really good.. in fact, he was 3rd team All NBA that year. Guess who else was also on the 3rd team that year... You got that right, Melo. Melo didn't even make the All-NBA team the year before without Billups. People here think Melo is something that he's not. It's mind boggling.
That's not the argument. To summarize, the argument was a about the level of impact Billups had. Some seem to forget that Billups was an equal to Melo back then. Both made 3rd team all NBA the year of the western conference finals run. Billups was also coming off of massive success in a lead role in Detroit. Some here seem to think Melo had "help" but that he essentially carried the team... which isn't true. Billups had just as much, if not more, impact.
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor
dakomish23 wrote:louieOrr wrote:dakomish23 wrote:
Unequivocally false
BOS traded a ton of prospects in the KG deal including an up and coming Al Jefferson at the time, who was far superior to any project we sent out.
Also, a player can't force his way off a team or make the team trading for him give up any less or more for him. That is up to the FO.
Nice try
BS
Melo wanted the sign and trade. He wasn't going into the new cba without it. He said he'd go to BK if we didn't want him. He leveraged that Denver would end up with nothing for him and thereby forced the trade. Using BK to this end forced us to up loose more assets then we had to. In fact if he really cared about winning in NY he would have signed as a free agent period. Had he not taken the extra year from Denver on his extension he could have avoided the whole mess.
Don't even try that ish lol
A player can't force a trade
A player can't refuse a trade
Melo would of forced the trade to HOU already if he could. He can't, so it didn't happen.
It's up to the FO to decide what they do. Blame them
drekwins wrote:Handledatruth wrote:drekwins wrote:
Billups was really really good.. in fact, he was 3rd team All NBA that year. Guess who else was also on the 3rd team that year... You got that right, Melo. Melo didn't even make the All-NBA team the year before without Billups. People here think Melo is something that he's not. It's mind boggling.
Except that he did make the third All-NBA team the year before. Him, Iverson(who was his teammate), Gilbert Arenas, Yao Ming, and *gasp* Kevin Garnett. Check your facts man.
No, he didn't. That was 05-06...what year are you even talking about? The Western Conference Finals run was 2008-2009. Melo and Billup's both made the All-NBA 3rd team that year. Melo did not make it in the previous season 2007-2008.
So, besides you being completely off i yout response, I take it that you have no rebuttal to the main argument that both Billups and Melo were on the 3rd Team All-NBA during the finals year.
Also, P.S. - KG was on the All-NBA 1st team 4 times, 2nd team - 3 times and 3rd Team - 2 times.
Carmelo was on the 2nd team 2 times and 3rd team 4 times. Respect the history of the game and the greats.
. But anyway, there's no rebuttal needed, Melo was an All-NBA level talent before Billups and then when he got another All-NBA level type of player he made a strong WCF run. Seems more of an expectation than a knock against Melo. You play with great players and you have more success in the playoffs. btw the year of Minnesota's WCF run, Sam Cassell was a second team All NBA player. Not exactly a "shell" of himself.
dakomish23 wrote:drekwins wrote:knuckles862 wrote:
That's not the argument. To summarize, the argument was a about the level of impact Billups had. Some seem to forget that Billups was an equal to Melo back then. Both made 3rd team all NBA the year of the western conference finals run. Billups was also coming off of massive success in a lead role in Detroit. Some here seem to think Melo had "help" but that he essentially carried the team... which isn't true. Billups had just as much, if not more, impact.
Billups was not an equal to Melo back then.
drekwins wrote:dakomish23 wrote:drekwins wrote:
That's not the argument. To summarize, the argument was a about the level of impact Billups had. Some seem to forget that Billups was an equal to Melo back then. Both made 3rd team all NBA the year of the western conference finals run. Billups was also coming off of massive success in a lead role in Detroit. Some here seem to think Melo had "help" but that he essentially carried the team... which isn't true. Billups had just as much, if not more, impact.
Billups was not an equal to Melo back then.
Both were 3rd team All-NBA, Billup was higher in MVP rankings, they reached unparalleled success once Billups arrived, the coach credits Billups and the fans credit Billups... what more has to be said.
