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Bucksfan28 wrote:Is Demetrius Jackson that bad? Already waived by the C's.
I was supplanted on the DJ bandwagon last draft. Hope he can get another shot elsewhere.
BroncoBuck wrote:Bucksfan28 wrote:Is Demetrius Jackson that bad? Already waived by the C's.
I was supplanted on the DJ bandwagon last draft. Hope he can get another shot elsewhere.
He's been pretty awful. Him and RJ Hunter were both guys people wanted the Bucks to grab.
M-C-G wrote:BroncoBuck wrote:Bucksfan28 wrote:Is Demetrius Jackson that bad? Already waived by the C's.
I was supplanted on the DJ bandwagon last draft. Hope he can get another shot elsewhere.
He's been pretty awful. Him and RJ Hunter were both guys people wanted the Bucks to grab.
Awful in what? He played 17 minutes total in the NBA last season. He scored 10 points, 4 rebounds and 3 ast on a TS of .75
MoreTrife wrote:Love seeing two buffoons have a buffoon competition.
James soon found his anticipation and optimism diminished after Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert dismantled the front office, declining days before the draft and free agency to bring back general manager David Griffin and vice president of basketball operations Trent Redden.
According to a person familiar with the Cavs’ front office, Gilbert is continuing the process of evaluating the leadership roles, structure and potential candidates.
James’ frustration with the Griffin situation didn’t end there. Other teams loaded up. The Warriors retooled with Kevin Durant re-signing for less money than he could have and Steph Curry re-signing for a max deal. They retained Andre Iguodala and Shaun Livingston and added shooters Nick Young and Omri Casspi.
The Warriors are maybe deeper and better than they were last season. It should be noted that the Warriors gave general manager Bob Myers an extension and promotion after losing to the Cavs in the 2016 Finals. That should’ve been the time the Cavs rewarded Griffin for winning a championship – a contrast in how the franchises are run.
The Houston Rockets acquired Chris Paul. The Boston Celtics got Gordon Hayward. The Minnesota Timberwolves traded for Butler and signed Jeff Teague, Taj Gibson and Jamal Crawford in free agency.
The Crawford signing stung. The Cavs were in the running for the three-time Sixth Man of the Year. But the Cavs offered just the minimum salary ($2.3 million a season) when they had the taxpayer midlevel ($5.19 million per season) available.
James was active in recruiting Crawford, and Crawford appreciated James’ efforts to get him to Cleveland. James did his part. But the Timberwolves offered $4.45 million a season. Instead, the Cavs gave part of the taxpayer midlevel exception to Turkish big man Cedi Osman, who is unlikely to make an impact in 2017-18.
The Cavs also re-signed Kyle Korver and signed Jose Calderon and Jeff Green during free agency. Did those moves put Cleveland closer to Golden State?
James, who was not consulted about the Griffin decision, had appreciated what Griffin did to put Cleveland in position to reach the Finals and compete for championships in three consecutive seasons and James said so on Twitter the night Griffin was told he wouldn’t be back.
Ron Swanson wrote:Well, Lebron's also an absolute hypocrite for complaining about the front office's inability to improve their roster when he's the one responsible for them being in cap hell. It's a lesson why you have to have smart management, but also not to let your star player meddle in front office affairs. He'll just jettison off to LA next year and leave Cleveland high and dry once again.
DanoMac wrote:https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2017/07/17/nba-lebron-james-frustrated-cavs-offseason/485111001/
And this is why it's scary as **** to have a couple imbeciles as your owners.James soon found his anticipation and optimism diminished after Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert dismantled the front office, declining days before the draft and free agency to bring back general manager David Griffin and vice president of basketball operations Trent Redden.According to a person familiar with the Cavs’ front office, Gilbert is continuing the process of evaluating the leadership roles, structure and potential candidates.James’ frustration with the Griffin situation didn’t end there. Other teams loaded up. The Warriors retooled with Kevin Durant re-signing for less money than he could have and Steph Curry re-signing for a max deal. They retained Andre Iguodala and Shaun Livingston and added shooters Nick Young and Omri Casspi.
The Warriors are maybe deeper and better than they were last season. It should be noted that the Warriors gave general manager Bob Myers an extension and promotion after losing to the Cavs in the 2016 Finals. That should’ve been the time the Cavs rewarded Griffin for winning a championship – a contrast in how the franchises are run.
The Houston Rockets acquired Chris Paul. The Boston Celtics got Gordon Hayward. The Minnesota Timberwolves traded for Butler and signed Jeff Teague, Taj Gibson and Jamal Crawford in free agency.
The Crawford signing stung. The Cavs were in the running for the three-time Sixth Man of the Year. But the Cavs offered just the minimum salary ($2.3 million a season) when they had the taxpayer midlevel ($5.19 million per season) available.
James was active in recruiting Crawford, and Crawford appreciated James’ efforts to get him to Cleveland. James did his part. But the Timberwolves offered $4.45 million a season. Instead, the Cavs gave part of the taxpayer midlevel exception to Turkish big man Cedi Osman, who is unlikely to make an impact in 2017-18.
The Cavs also re-signed Kyle Korver and signed Jose Calderon and Jeff Green during free agency. Did those moves put Cleveland closer to Golden State?James, who was not consulted about the Griffin decision, had appreciated what Griffin did to put Cleveland in position to reach the Finals and compete for championships in three consecutive seasons and James said so on Twitter the night Griffin was told he wouldn’t be back.
It all sounds so familiar
MilBucksBackOnTop06 wrote:Mark my words....Gooden will be this year's teams MVP. Watch and see.....
brettski wrote:Spoiler:
This is all James getting the narrative out nice and early so that when he does leave the Cavs the people are prepared this time around.
jschligs wrote:Am I the only one who doesn't know who the **** SupremeHustle is?
Profound23 wrote:Ron Swanson wrote:Well, Lebron's also an absolute hypocrite for complaining about the front office's inability to improve their roster when he's the one responsible for them being in cap hell. It's a lesson why you have to have smart management, but also not to let your star player meddle in front office affairs. He'll just jettison off to LA next year and leave Cleveland high and dry once again.
HE didn't the same thing to them before. He gets them to overpay guys like Tristan, JR, Antwan Jamison, Mo Williams, Shaq past his prime....even tried to get Amare after his surgery. Then when they can't win, he blames the front office for signing th guys he publicly said they have to pay.
Chuck Diesel wrote:I wonder if Kuzma and a new regime makes Larry Nance Jr. expendable for the Lakers.
MilBucksBackOnTop06 wrote:The fight for civil rights just like for liberty and justice and peace won't be won by man. It will take a god...so lets move on to sports.
Magic Giannison wrote:Giannis is god but even god's cannot save our **** team.
M-C-G wrote:BroncoBuck wrote:Bucksfan28 wrote:Is Demetrius Jackson that bad? Already waived by the C's.
I was supplanted on the DJ bandwagon last draft. Hope he can get another shot elsewhere.
He's been pretty awful. Him and RJ Hunter were both guys people wanted the Bucks to grab.
Awful in what? He played 17 minutes total in the NBA last season. He scored 10 points, 4 rebounds and 3 ast on a TS of .75
DanoMac wrote:https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2017/07/17/nba-lebron-james-frustrated-cavs-offseason/485111001/
And this is why it's scary as **** to have a couple imbeciles as your owners.
ElPeregrino wrote:Profound23 wrote:Ron Swanson wrote:Well, Lebron's also an absolute hypocrite for complaining about the front office's inability to improve their roster when he's the one responsible for them being in cap hell. It's a lesson why you have to have smart management, but also not to let your star player meddle in front office affairs. He'll just jettison off to LA next year and leave Cleveland high and dry once again.
HE didn't the same thing to them before. He gets them to overpay guys like Tristan, JR, Antwan Jamison, Mo Williams, Shaq past his prime....even tried to get Amare after his surgery. Then when they can't win, he blames the front office for signing th guys he publicly said they have to pay.
When did LeBron ever publicly say the Cavs had to pay those guys? He left Cleveland because the front office wasn't doing what he wanted. The only reason LeBron returned to Cleveland is because Gilbert promised him he would be willing to go over the salary cap and pay the repeater luxury tax. Now it appears that Gilbert is going back on his word to LeBron.
Prince12 wrote:ElPeregrino wrote:Profound23 wrote:
HE didn't the same thing to them before. He gets them to overpay guys like Tristan, JR, Antwan Jamison, Mo Williams, Shaq past his prime....even tried to get Amare after his surgery. Then when they can't win, he blames the front office for signing th guys he publicly said they have to pay.
When did LeBron ever publicly say the Cavs had to pay those guys? He left Cleveland because the front office wasn't doing what he wanted. The only reason LeBron returned to Cleveland is because Gilbert promised him he would be willing to go over the salary cap and pay the repeater luxury tax. Now it appears that Gilbert is going back on his word to LeBron.
Just googled a heap of articles of Lebron saying he wanted this guy and that guy. I don't think it's ever been in dispute that Lebron demands to and gets what he wants. I think some of the targets he's gone for are highly questionable.
Either way I think he runs again.
ElPeregrino wrote:Prince12 wrote:ElPeregrino wrote:When did LeBron ever publicly say the Cavs had to pay those guys? He left Cleveland because the front office wasn't doing what he wanted. The only reason LeBron returned to Cleveland is because Gilbert promised him he would be willing to go over the salary cap and pay the repeater luxury tax. Now it appears that Gilbert is going back on his word to LeBron.
Just googled a heap of articles of Lebron saying he wanted this guy and that guy. I don't think it's ever been in dispute that Lebron demands to and gets what he wants. I think some of the targets he's gone for are highly questionable.
Either way I think he runs again.
Can you post links to these articles where LeBron is publicly clamoring for players during his first run in Cleveland? I don't dispute that he's been influential in roster decisions made since his return to Cleveland. That was basically negotiated when he rejoined the Cavs. He also got Cleveland a championship so I don't think you can say that's been a failure.
I wouldn't be surprised if LeBron leaves Cleveland after this season. We still have a year left but Gilbert appears to be positioning himself to blow the team up after this season (e.g., firing David Griffin while he was in the middle of trade negotiations to bring in Paul George). Since he still has LeBron under control for this season, he no longer cares if he upsets LeBron and there was already bad blood between these two since LeBron's first tenure in Cleveland.
