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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#221 » by ckchen » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:35 pm

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the_process wrote:Gonna have to disagree with you on JA. He's touted for his defense, which looked average-at-best to me. And he's just outright bad offensively at this point. So yeah, there are some bags of balls out there that are more worthy of a roster spot. Hoping BC declines his 4th year option.


I mean this is exactly it. The numbers don't support this type of evaluation at all. "Outright bad" is definitely an exaggeration. He played only slighty above replacement level, but it was still above replacement level. At worst that's league average not worse than a "bag of balls" bad. His shooting was actually pretty good except for his terrible 3 pt shooting, which again can be reined in. Again, outside of 3 pt shooting, there's not that much that you can say about his offensive game that is really all that awful.


What does he do offensively? He shouldn't be shooting mid range jumpers and he can't shoot threes. On the break, he will almost always be the last option to get the ball. He's not very good at creating his own shot. I think the numbers are somewhat deceptive in his case. Unless you like inefficient offense?


Look, even if he only contributes offensively on dunks, layups, and putbacks, as long as he's a athletic, physical presence on the court and can jump and body up on guys, that's fine. This is a backup 3 we're talking about. The team is suddenly littered with SGs, so nobody should be expecting him to suddenly turn into a jump shooter. But if he leans into his strengths, he can be an effective, even if mostly defensive backup. It's mostly about whether he can adjust his mentality to that type of game.
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#222 » by shawn_hemp » Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:13 am

pretty much the only thing JA brings to the table is athleticism and intensity. He tries really hard to still be bad I guess? I don't know if that is admirable or just a waste of everyone's time. A defensive bench player should probably at least... be good on defense right?

I really hope he gets better, I dont want anyone to fail. I just dont see it.
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Post#223 » by 76ciology » Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:19 am

^ weren't they saying the same thing on Kent Bazemore, DeMare Carroll, Jae Crowder and Danny Green early on their career?

I may have some hits and misses on the guys I mentioned but you know what I mean. These 3&D guys takes time to develop and you'd want to have a diverse bet on these type of players.
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#224 » by Sixerscan » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:40 pm

76ciology wrote:^ weren't they saying the same thing on Kent Bazemore, DeMare Carroll, Jae Crowder and Danny Green early on their career?

I may have some hits and misses on the guys I mentioned but you know what I mean. These 3&D guys takes time to develop and you'd want to have a diverse bet on these type of players.

The third year is generally when guys like that tended to show something. I don't think anderson is in danger of not getting his option picked up, but I am concerned that him becoming a decent 3 point shooter might involve a complete reworking of his shot from the ground up, and its sort of late for that if he's going to figure it out with the Sixers.

The defense I am more confident he will figure out. He's not a good defender at this point but that seems mostly because he doesn't have the nuances down yet. The strength, athleticism, length, effort ect are all there.

At the very least over the next two years he can fill the role of being an energy guy that can match up physically for small stretches some of the bigger 3s in the east.
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Post#225 » by Kobblehead » Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:12 pm

Justin Anderson is a solid man-defender. He's an attack dog. I'm not sold on his basketball IQ or court awareness, though. Those two factors are usually what allow guys to be great defenders within a team scheme.
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Post#226 » by 76ciology » Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:09 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Justin Anderson is a solid man-defender. He's an attack dog. I'm not sold on his basketball IQ or court awareness, though. Those two factors are usually what allow guys to be great defenders within a team scheme.


Yup. He's slow on his read and react. But I'm crossing my fingers that experience might help him on his read&react while his FT% tells us that he can improve as a 3pt shooter.
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#227 » by oldtimer28 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:01 am

Hi,

Longtime lurker.

Can someone clarify the 2018 and 2019 picks available now after all the trades.

Also, what is the best case scenario/wishful thinking when other teams are involved?

thank you
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#228 » by BullyKing » Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:32 am

oldtimer28 wrote:Hi,

Longtime lurker.

Can someone clarify the 2018 and 2019 picks available now after all the trades.

Also, what is the best case scenario/wishful thinking when other teams are involved?

thank you


Welcome aboard.

2018 - Sixers have their own pick. Sixers will also have the Lakers pick if it is No. 1 or 6-30.

2019 - If the Lakers pick was 2-5 in 2018 (and therefore goes to the Celtics), Sixers have their own pick and the Kings pick unprotected. If the Lakers pick did not go to the Celtics, the Kings pick goes to Boston unless it is No. 1, in which case the Sixers own pick goes to Boston.

So the best case scenario is the Lakers pick is No. 1 this year, Kings No. 1 in 2019 and Boston just gets the Sixers own pick in 2019.
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#229 » by Mrcrockpots » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:06 pm

I just wanna say one thing. Lets all take a step back and take a deep breath that there are no more waking up at 2am to impulsively check Lakers, Kings and other NBA scores along with a few runs on tankathon.com. This season might be the first winter and spring that I get a full nights rest in years.
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#230 » by oldtimer28 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:34 pm

BullyKing wrote:
oldtimer28 wrote:Hi,

Longtime lurker.

Can someone clarify the 2018 and 2019 picks available now after all the trades.

Also, what is the best case scenario/wishful thinking when other teams are involved?

thank you


Welcome aboard.

2018 - Sixers have their own pick. Sixers will also have the Lakers pick if it is No. 1 or 6-30.

2019 - If the Lakers pick was 2-5 in 2018 (and therefore goes to the Celtics), Sixers have their own pick and the Kings pick unprotected. If the Lakers pick did not go to the Celtics, the Kings pick goes to Boston unless it is No. 1, in which case the Sixers own pick goes to Boston.

So the best case scenario is the Lakers pick is No. 1 this year, Kings No. 1 in 2019 and Boston just gets the Sixers own pick in 2019.


Thank you.

So the Fultz trade only really hurts if:
2018
- lakers get 2-5 pick in 2018, as it conveys to celtics to make an Eastern rival even stronger (likely); or
2019
- if 76ers keep lakers 2018 pick then kings pick goes to boston unless no 1 (unlikely to be no 1 but should be decent lottery)

Assuming this 2018 draft is supposed to be great, 76s hope they get no 1 or late lottery pick right?

The 2019 kings pick could be high but probably not worth waiting for.
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#231 » by Ericb5 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:01 am

Mrcrockpots wrote:I just wanna say one thing. Lets all take a step back and take a deep breath that there are no more waking up at 2am to impulsively check Lakers, Kings and other NBA scores along with a few runs on tankathon.com. This season might be the first winter and spring that I get a full nights rest in years.


I enjoyed following the other teams, and hoping for them to lose. That being said, I'm looking forward to watching winning basketball again.


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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#232 » by Mrcrockpots » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:44 am

I enjoyed it up until last season. My nerves were absolutely shot following these teams. I'm ready to turn the page.
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#233 » by Renegade_H » Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:19 pm

Mrcrockpots wrote:I just wanna say one thing. Lets all take a step back and take a deep breath that there are no more waking up at 2am to impulsively check Lakers, Kings and other NBA scores along with a few runs on tankathon.com. This season might be the first winter and spring that I get a full nights rest in years.


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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#234 » by Mrcrockpots » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:35 pm

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Mrcrockpots wrote:I just wanna say one thing. Lets all take a step back and take a deep breath that there are no more waking up at 2am to impulsively check Lakers, Kings and other NBA scores along with a few runs on tankathon.com. This season might be the first winter and spring that I get a full nights rest in years.


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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#235 » by Att » Sun Jul 30, 2017 5:51 pm

The Fultz trade is a disaster. I don't think he's worth that. I do hope that the Lakers somehow end up being worse than the 6 spot.
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Post#236 » by Chris76 » Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:07 pm

Att wrote:The Fultz trade is a disaster. I don't think he's worth that. I do hope that the Lakers somehow end up being worse than the 6 spot.


A disaster seems wrong, the Sixers drafted a dynamic Pg that fits perfectly with our other players. Boston got a great prospect in Tatum. The Sixers were lucky that IT had his best year ever and he is going to get paid. Tatum fits better with their core, a good trade for both, far from a disaster.
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Post#237 » by Cokeleaf » Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:02 am

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Att wrote:The Fultz trade is a disaster. I don't think he's worth that. I do hope that the Lakers somehow end up being worse than the 6 spot.


A disaster seems wrong, the Sixers drafted a dynamic Pg that fits perfectly with our other players. Boston got a great prospect in Tatum. The Sixers were lucky that IT had his best year ever and he is going to get paid. Tatum fits better with their core, a good trade for both, far from a disaster.


Would you have Markelle Fultz who was the consensus top pick and an amazing fit with Simmons, Embiid and the rest of the team. Or would you have Josh Jackson (who I feel sixers would have selected) and some guy with the 5th pick next year?
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#238 » by shawn_hemp » Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:58 pm

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Att wrote:The Fultz trade is a disaster. I don't think he's worth that. I do hope that the Lakers somehow end up being worse than the 6 spot.


A disaster seems wrong, the Sixers drafted a dynamic Pg that fits perfectly with our other players. Boston got a great prospect in Tatum. The Sixers were lucky that IT had his best year ever and he is going to get paid. Tatum fits better with their core, a good trade for both, far from a disaster.


yeah, "disaster" is totally off-base, especially since they havent played a game yet.

I think it was disappointing to give Boston an asset to draft a guy that they probably would not have selected anyway, but that disappointment will go away rather quickly if our team plays well this year.

just like the Noel trade was disappointing.

Andrew Bynum was a disaster trade. we gave up 2 solid players (Iguodala, Vucevic), a 1st round pick, and that year's 1st in Moe Harkless for a guy who literally never played a single minute for the team.

but at least we got an over-the-hill Jason Richardson!
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#239 » by LordCovington33 » Tue Aug 1, 2017 3:37 am

Cokeleaf wrote:
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Att wrote:The Fultz trade is a disaster. I don't think he's worth that. I do hope that the Lakers somehow end up being worse than the 6 spot.


A disaster seems wrong, the Sixers drafted a dynamic Pg that fits perfectly with our other players. Boston got a great prospect in Tatum. The Sixers were lucky that IT had his best year ever and he is going to get paid. Tatum fits better with their core, a good trade for both, far from a disaster.


Would you have Markelle Fultz who was the consensus top pick and an amazing fit with Simmons, Embiid and the rest of the team. Or would you have Josh Jackson (who I feel sixers would have selected) and some guy with the 5th pick next year?

If the sixers never made the deal, another team could have traded up, e.g. the Suns to get their own version of the Splash Brothers (Ball - Booker). With Ball gone, the Lakers would have snapped up Fultz without hesitation. If a trade was not executed and Boston chose Tatum at no.1, who is to say what the Lakers would have done at 2. I don't think the consensus no.1 pick would have fallen to 3. If the guy ends up as a superstar, heads would roll. The safe bet would be take him at 1 or 2. I have zero regrets about that trade. Fultz is the perfect fit moving forward. If we got Jackson this year and another high pick next year and another high pick in 2019, could we really afford to pay for Embiid, Simmons, Jackson, laker pick and Sac pick when they are all off their rookie contracts?
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc) 

Post#240 » by Chris76 » Tue Aug 1, 2017 1:24 pm

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Cokeleaf wrote:
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A disaster seems wrong, the Sixers drafted a dynamic Pg that fits perfectly with our other players. Boston got a great prospect in Tatum. The Sixers were lucky that IT had his best year ever and he is going to get paid. Tatum fits better with their core, a good trade for both, far from a disaster.


Would you have Markelle Fultz who was the consensus top pick and an amazing fit with Simmons, Embiid and the rest of the team. Or would you have Josh Jackson (who I feel sixers would have selected) and some guy with the 5th pick next year?

If the sixers never made the deal, another team could have traded up, e.g. the Suns to get their own version of the Splash Brothers (Ball - Booker). With Ball gone, the Lakers would have snapped up Fultz without hesitation. If a trade was not executed and Boston chose Tatum at no.1, who is to say what the Lakers would have done at 2. I don't think the consensus no.1 pick would have fallen to 3. If the guy ends up as a superstar, heads would roll. The safe bet would be take him at 1 or 2. I have zero regrets about that trade. Fultz is the perfect fit moving forward. If we got Jackson this year and another high pick next year and another high pick in 2019, could we really afford to pay for Embiid, Simmons, Jackson, laker pick and Sac pick when they are all off their rookie contracts?


Good points. The contracts will be very important with continuing the Process. How many max contracts can a team reasonably expect to have? If, Embiid, Simmons, and Fultz agree to reasonable but less amounts that would be very helpful. Maybe a 20% discount so they can stay together or is that illegal?

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