The MeloPause Trade Thread

PeoplesChamp · Post #1941 » by **PeoplesChamp** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:11 am

knicks9784 wrote:
PeoplesChamp wrote:
Milk wrote:Woj on SportsCenter:

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And I want Rihanna sent to my room right now. Some things are beyond our control.

well if he waves that no-trade clause in full, he gets his wish

Nope. That would mean the Knicks can trade him anywhere. He's already agreed to waive his NTC for Houston. The reason he's not there is there's no good deal for NY. He can't pout and sulk his way to Houston.

Moose · Post #1942 » by **Moose** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:12 am

If melo is open to cleveland, they can trade shump, frye, jefferson, filler for melo to make the salaries work. And then add in any actual assets such as prospects/picks to get it done.

They don't need to trade love to get a deal done. This deal would leave them thin at the guard position, but it gives them more firepower for one last run.

The knicks can then look to deal Courtney lee for an asset and have shump come off the bench.

I think this makes the most sense, but the knicks aren't creative enough to come up with it.

NotPhilJackson · Post #1943 » by **NotPhilJackson** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:36 am

Celtics looking to deal Smart for Lee

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WajaBawl · Post #1944 » by **WajaBawl** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:39 am

NotPhilJackson wrote:Celtics looking to deal Smart for Lee

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h

Source?

drekwins · Post #1945 » by **drekwins** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:42 am

Icandoallthings wrote:
Da_Mane_Man wrote:
drekwins wrote:
Everyone talks about what little leverage the Knicks have... what leverage does Melo have? Typically, players have leverage because teams don't want to lose them for nothing. That's because most good players are on playoffs teams. For us, that doesn't even matter. In fact, Melo not playing is somewhat of a benefit. In addition, he's under contract... you can't just force a team to do a terrible deal when they don't mind letting you expire. A contract works both ways. If he doesn't want the contract, void the deal or agree to take none of the remaining money. You can't get paid by the Knicks, make them accept a crap deal and then be a cancer if they don't. That's pretty much the least professional thing I've ever heard.

Oh, I agree, but I don't think Melo gives a sh*t about professionalism at this point. He already yelled at Porzingis last year for saying good things about the triangle. You think he won't be pissed if we essentially sit him the whole year?

Melo has acted like a pro much more so than this organization has with Phil's public criticism and Mills and Dolan's incompetence. You guys are describing some kind of revenge fantasy.

I don't want revenge. I just don't think that the Knicks have to take a bad deal just to appease Melo. The Knicks have done everything possible to correct the situation. They fired the source and Dolan gave up millions in The process. Phils gone. Those excuses don't work anymore.

vincccent · Post #1946 » by **vincccent** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:44 am

NotPhilJackson wrote:Celtics looking to deal Smart for Lee

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Let's go!

knickstape21 · Post #1947 » by **knickstape21** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:53 am

NotPhilJackson wrote:Celtics looking to deal Smart for Lee

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Source or gtfo

Crunchknicks1 · Post #1948 » by **Crunchknicks1** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:00 pm

He don't have one made it up. Smart not coming even though it make sense.

Jstarks3 · Post #1949 » by **Jstarks3** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:10 pm

lemme guess. now youre bonking scott van pelt's daughter? or is it keith Olbermann now?

Post #1950 » by **mpharris36** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:16 pm

NotPhilJackson wrote:Celtics looking to deal Smart for Lee

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you gotta stop bro the salaries don't even come close to matching...

newyorker4ever · Post #1951 » by **newyorker4ever** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:20 pm

Billy Goat wrote:
falcindor wrote:You now have a 12 million dollar backup 2 guard. His contract isn't even expiring anytime soon.

The logjam at the wing(Melo, KP, Lee and Hardaway) is a mess for Hornacek. All of those guys expect to start and they all want their shots.

Lee doesn't want shots, as a matter of fact JH tried to get him to take more shots all year long and KP doesn't seem to mind letting Melo be the #1 shot taker either.

Billy Goat · Post #1952 » by **Billy Goat** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:22 pm

PeoplesChamp wrote:
knicks9784 wrote:
PeoplesChamp wrote:
And I want Rihanna sent to my room right now. Some things are beyond our control.

well if he waves that no-trade clause in full, he gets his wish

Nope. That would mean the Knicks can trade him anywhere. He's already agreed to waive his NTC for Houston. The reason he's not there is there's no good deal for NY. He can't pout and sulk his way to Houston.

He wants his remaining 50+ mill and the team of his choice. Pretty ballsy for a guy nowhere near his prime.

battabing10 · Post #1953 » by **battabing10** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:28 pm

Knicks93 wrote:
Da_Mane_Man wrote:I just heard that idiot Stephen Jackson on espn say that Melo should put his foot on the Knicks' neck and force their hand with a trade to Houston.

If he tried to do that, I would just bench him the entire year. F*ck him. We don't owe him sh*t. And f*ck stephen jackson too.

At this stage of his career melo is barely good enough to start anyway. Just a black hole on offense and plays no D. Let him ride the pine surrounded by hard working defensive minded players off the bench

on the rockets or cavs he a starter/third option but any third option should be able to flip to and embrase a sixth man role since it has the same value to a team, especially a young one. problem is melo too selfish and don't have good character to do the right thing so things gonna end badly and ugly here i pretty sure.

F N 11 · Post #1954 » by **F N 11** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:29 pm

They need to get rid of these posters that post stuff with no source. I got hyped only to see it's by a Bs poster with no source. Yes I am back seat moderating.

coopnyc74 · Post #1955 » by **coopnyc74** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:29 pm

Not Phil is the source!

Esq-4 · Post #1956 » by **Esq-4** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:34 pm

Melo played everything pretty good with the Phil stuff. And I have not seen any quotes from him, but if true that he is done with NY and wants only Hou, too bad. If they come up with a good package, fine. If it's, take our bad contracts and late picks, why? And the burden should be on HOU to find the other team to make it work.

If we really want him gone, and he wants to go, CLE makes sense because at least it's short contracts. If he doesn't want to go there, or anywhere else we can get assets - ot at least not get screwed -then that is on him.

battabing10 · Post #1957 » by **battabing10** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:46 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Da_Mane_Man wrote:
drekwins wrote:
Everyone talks about what little leverage the Knicks have... what leverage does Melo have? Typically, players have leverage because teams don't want to lose them for nothing. That's because most good players are on playoffs teams. For us, that doesn't even matter. In fact, Melo not playing is somewhat of a benefit. In addition, he's under contract... you can't just force a team to do a terrible deal when they don't mind letting you expire. A contract works both ways. If he doesn't want the contract, void the deal or agree to take none of the remaining money. You can't get paid by the Knicks, make them accept a crap deal and then be a cancer if they don't. That's pretty much the least professional thing I've ever heard.

Oh, I agree, but I don't think Melo gives a sh*t about professionalism at this point. He already yelled at Porzingis last year for saying good things about the triangle. You think he won't be pissed if we essentially sit him the whole year?

You don't bench him. Just hold him accountable on defense like everyone else. Give him a role and if he resists...that's on him. He can't force the team to trade him for garbage. HE has the NTC. His list is keeping him here. His role is diminished. That's on him at this point.

The team has no choice but to move on. Unless he can get his boys to come here...it's over. The team needs to rebuild and focus on the youth they have. If Melo wants to be a part of that...I'd be shocked. Trying to force a trade for garbage is not a good look.

you don't bench him but you pitch him on being a sixth man. big difference but most dudes here can't get into that because they assume melo can't. that is just sad.

battabing10 · Post #1958 » by **battabing10** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:47 pm

Icandoallthings wrote:
Da_Mane_Man wrote:
drekwins wrote:
Everyone talks about what little leverage the Knicks have... what leverage does Melo have? Typically, players have leverage because teams don't want to lose them for nothing. That's because most good players are on playoffs teams. For us, that doesn't even matter. In fact, Melo not playing is somewhat of a benefit. In addition, he's under contract... you can't just force a team to do a terrible deal when they don't mind letting you expire. A contract works both ways. If he doesn't want the contract, void the deal or agree to take none of the remaining money. You can't get paid by the Knicks, make them accept a crap deal and then be a cancer if they don't. That's pretty much the least professional thing I've ever heard.

Oh, I agree, but I don't think Melo gives a sh*t about professionalism at this point. He already yelled at Porzingis last year for saying good things about the triangle. You think he won't be pissed if we essentially sit him the whole year?

Melo has acted like a pro much more so than this organization has with Phil's public criticism and Mills and Dolan's incompetence. You guys are describing some kind of revenge fantasy.

actually there is a long list of things melo said or did since 2011 that show the opposite.

louieOrr · Post #1959 » by **louieOrr** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:51 pm

Melo, you want Houston so bad? Then play out the year and opt out. Maybe Houston can clear some cap space for you. I'm sure we can help them clear some room for an exorbitant price. You will stay here, go to the team of your choosing if they come with the correct deal. Or you expand your wish list. Everyone knows you re-upped with us because we could pay you the most at the time. You never truly cared about the Knicks and giving us every opportunity to win. Why should we care where you want to go.

Post #1960 » by **moocow007** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:52 pm

Moose wrote:If melo is open to cleveland, they can trade shump, frye, jefferson, filler for melo to make the salaries work. And then add in any actual assets such as prospects/picks to get it done.

They don't need to trade love to get a deal done. This deal would leave them thin at the guard position, but it gives them more firepower for one last run.

The knicks can then look to deal Courtney lee for an asset and have shump come off the bench.

I think this makes the most sense, but the knicks aren't creative enough to come up with it.

If they actually had any (worth mentioning), some combination of Shump, Frye and Jefferson would already be on the Knicks. As it is their best "prospect" is basically a scaled down version of Nate Robinson (Kay Felder) and their draft picks have mostly been dealt away already (not that they'd be of much value if they hadn't). The problem with both Cleveland and Houston is that they don't have any tradeable assets...especially from the Knicks standpoint.