Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV

[pcbothwel]

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Gortat + Morris easily beat anything the Rocket can offer (they can only offer Ryan Anderson basically).

I don't think he is a good option for the Wizards.

I wonder if the Knicks are trying to talk Anthony into taking a significant reduction for a buyout. They might see saving $10+ million as more valuable than the return in a trade.

My question is, what are the parameters of the negotiation? Is he using his option next year too as his starting point of 55M owed? If I'm NY, I'd buy him out for anything under 20M. They will have about 30M in cap room next year with Porzingis, Hardaway, Ntilinkina, Hernangomez, and another top 10 pick (Bridges/Carter/Jackson). That is a pretty good foundation. They also will be able to make a trade for a another piece as they have all their picks, Lance Thomas's un-guaranteed 2019 salary, and Courtney Lee to add a player.

[gambitx777]

I don't think any one would dispute mellos value on mid level or a min contract. but at 20 some mil plus a trade kicker unless your dumping bad deals and not paying much hes not worth it.

[Tricky_Kid]

No on acquiring Parker for... yet another R1 pick! Does no one have any ideas other than to give away R1 picks?

Anyway, Jabari Parker has proved to be a pretty bad player. Not interested.

And injury one. After the trade we could open new hospital in DC

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yd2fkxxd

Mostly came up with this because I wanna see Oubre in a nuggets uniform, but I like the deal for us also.

Wall-Beal-Porter-Juancho along with adding Barton as a solid two way bench scorer would be a nice improvement over Oubre, unless he makes another big jump in year3, which won't surprise me.

Creates some lux tax room, 3 years left on Juanchos rookie deal as opposed to 2. Creates cap relief next summer with smith off the books.

"Two way" come on now, Barton is like a piece of paper on defense.

You're one of the biggest Oubre supporters on here, why would we trade him. Eventually getting the starting lineup to be Wall-Beal-Oubre-Porter from 1 through 4 is one of the glimmers of hope we can cling onto in the future. It was already immensely successful last season.

Idk this stems from my lack of faith in that ever happening. Brooks elected to play Jason Smith at PF all season(statistically our worst lineup) over giving Oubre starters minutes alongside Otto(statistically our best) and that's not even mentioning his love affair with Morris, and now we have Mike Scott also. We have what? 2 years left of prime peak John Wall? I just worry that we won't ever see Wall-Beal-Oubre-Porter enough even if it committing to full time small ball fits the new NBA perfectly

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[gambitx777]

If we dump mahinmi bring back a younger cheaper replacement and all it coasts us is a first and maybe a second I'd do it all day long. If the buck want to do mahinmi 2018 second and 2019 first for Henson and parker
id do that all day long. If Parker signs an extension for 3 years 30 stright up. He's 22 we have the depth to support a move like that. With chris, Mike and Morris. Starting Parker but limiting his minutes with Morris off the bench or bringing Parker off the bench for 20 minutes a game would be massive, for us. Do it all day cuz even if he gets hurt again we are still better off with a healthy Henson than an injured mahinmi. We will still have a first in 2018 that we must keep and use.i know piff won't like this lol

[deneem4]

gortat/sato/filler

For deng/randle/nance jr

Use a pick to move mahinmi for whatever

Become younger faster pace team

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If we dump mahinmi bring back a younger cheaper replacement and all it coasts us is a first and maybe a second I'd do it all day long. If the buck want to do mahinmi 2018 second and 2019 first for Henson and parker
id do that all day long. If Parker signs an extension for 3 years 30 stright up. He's 22 we have the depth to support a move like that. With chris, Mike and Morris. Starting Parker but limiting his minutes with Morris off the bench or bringing Parker off the bench for 20 minutes a game would be massive, for us. Do it all day cuz even if he gets hurt again we are still better off with a healthy Henson than an injured mahinmi. We will still have a first in 2018 that we must keep and use.i know piff won't like this lol

Nope.

[pcbothwel]

gortat/sato/filler

For deng/randle/nance jr

Use a pick to move mahinmi for whatever

Become younger faster pace team

I dont like this trade exactly, but Deng would be an interesting target. As bad as his year was last year, he still ranked #32 in SF. Right in with Melo, Barnes, and Snell. As a PF in Miami the year before he was #8.
I think Gortat + Smith would be the start of a package. Getting someone like Nance/20201st/Hart would be a real interesting trade. We have no cap space for the next 3 year anyway.. this could really reboot our young talent.

The only downside is I really think the NOP flops hard this year and get nervous around the Deadline with Boogey. Having Gortat makes a trade a little easier to envision.

[gambitx777]

If we dump mahinmi bring back a younger cheaper replacement and all it coasts us is a first and maybe a second I'd do it all day long. If the buck want to do mahinmi 2018 second and 2019 first for Henson and parker
id do that all day long. If Parker signs an extension for 3 years 30 stright up. He's 22 we have the depth to support a move like that. With chris, Mike and Morris. Starting Parker but limiting his minutes with Morris off the bench or bringing Parker off the bench for 20 minutes a game would be massive, for us. Do it all day cuz even if he gets hurt again we are still better off with a healthy Henson than an injured mahinmi. We will still have a first in 2018 that we must keep and use.i know piff won't like this lol

Nope.

We are getting to know each other pretty well.

[gambitx777]

But for real PIff you should want us to trade our 2019 pick. Do you know why? Because that locks us in and forces us to at least draft someone this year!

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But for real PIff you should want us to trade our 2019 pick. Do you know why? Because that locks us in and forces us to at least draft someone this year!

Can we trade Ernie for a R2 pick???

[montestewart]

But for real PIff you should want us to trade our 2019 pick. Do you know why? Because that locks us in and forces us to at least draft someone this year!

Parents obliviously rationalizing their children's bad behavior have nothing on our ready stream of enabling devices for dealing with Ernest, the problem child.

How do you hem in EGgo's most self-destructive impulses? Get him a part time summer job so he'll develop discipline that carries over into the school year? Maybe a wilderness retreat that will allow him to get in touch with himself?

I think what he really needs is military school or a Scared Straight program. Maybe vacation Bible school.

[deneem4]

gortat/sato/filler

For deng/randle/nance jr

Use a pick to move mahinmi for whatever

Become younger faster pace team

I dont like this trade exactly, but Deng would be an interesting target. As bad as his year was last year, he still ranked #32 in SF. Right in with Melo, Barnes, and Snell. As a PF in Miami the year before he was #8.
I think Gortat + Smith would be the start of a package. Getting someone like Nance/20201st/Hart would be a real interesting trade. We have no cap space for the next 3 year anyway.. this could really reboot our young talent.

The only downside is I really think the NOP flops hard this year and get nervous around the Deadline with Boogey. Having Gortat makes a trade a little easier to envision.

I think deng could be very igudola like on a winning team...especially in the playoffs he's paid handsomely but if we can have him healthy and ready during the playoffs it can be worth it for a guy that can guard lebron...

Nance and randle are 2 things we never had in the john wall era..."young athletic bigs"
Nance being more of a pure scorer while randle being a good passer and ok ball handler
Both of those could entice john wall
Considering Morris is really our only oop catcher imagine wall on the break with those 2

Randle will need to be paid next summer so if he does pans out and we can challenge Cleveland in the ecf that's a good turnout that Ernie has to deal with...
If he doesn't we look for the best sign and trade option...

Getting a pick from the lakers sounds good but I'm more worried about what we will do with the pick...considering if it isn't top 5 we haven't had success with any picks, oubre being the exception in 7 yrs...

Wall/Frazier
Beal/oubre/Meeks
Porter/deng
Morris/nance/Scott
mahinmi/randle

I'm pretty sure we will get outbid for a cousins trade if gortat is the starting piece...

[pcbothwel]

gortat/sato/filler

For deng/randle/nance jr

Use a pick to move mahinmi for whatever

Become younger faster pace team

I dont like this trade exactly, but Deng would be an interesting target. As bad as his year was last year, he still ranked #32 in SF. Right in with Melo, Barnes, and Snell. As a PF in Miami the year before he was #8.
I think Gortat + Smith would be the start of a package. Getting someone like Nance/20201st/Hart would be a real interesting trade. We have no cap space for the next 3 year anyway.. this could really reboot our young talent.

The only downside is I really think the NOP flops hard this year and get nervous around the Deadline with Boogey. Having Gortat makes a trade a little easier to envision.

I think deng could be very igudola like on a winning team...especially in the playoffs he's paid handsomely but if we can have him healthy and ready during the playoffs it can be worth it for a guy that can guard lebron...

Nance and randle are 2 things we never had in the john wall era..."young athletic bigs"
Nance being more of a pure scorer while randle being a good passer and ok ball handler
Both of those could entice john wall
Considering Morris is really our only oop catcher imagine wall on the break with those 2

Randle will need to be paid next summer so if he does pans out and we can challenge Cleveland in the ecf that's a good turnout that Ernie has to deal with...
If he doesn't we look for the best sign and trade option...

Getting a pick from the lakers sounds good but I'm more worried about what we will do with the pick...considering if it isn't top 5 we haven't had success with any picks, oubre being the exception in 7 yrs...

Wall/Frazier
Beal/oubre/Meeks
Porter/deng
Morris/nance/Scott
mahinmi/randle

I'm pretty sure we will get outbid for a cousins trade if gortat is the starting piece...

1) No interest in Randle. I would rather have the pick. Nance, Hart, and protected 2020 1st and im in on Deng

2) Gortat wouldnt be the main piece, but we need salary filler that is not of negative value. Gortat fits the bill there. Im not sure what teams will offer NOP much for 4 months of Boogie... He is a high usage big with baggage. He doesnt really fit in seamlessly to a contender without risking it falling apart

[gambitx777]

A sing and trade with alen lex
Mahinmi and a 2019 first for alex len on a 4-40 or 3-36 deal ? much more palatable than mahinmis contract and the suns are looking to take players for picks. and mahinmis contract is only about 4 mill more than lens cap hold so its not that bad for them!

[jivelikenice]

Ok. Got killed on twitter for proposing this but thought I'd drop it here to get others perspective to see if I'm really way off.

As basically a facilitator to Melo to Cleveland, Wiz trade Gortat and McCullough for Frye and a FRP.

Pros- get below tax or right at line
Pick up a sizeable TPE
Frye shot 41% from 3 and really open the floor
Add a FRP
Open up a roster spot which is now designated to a guy who is not an NBA player.
Less redundancy between centers

Cons-
Lose Gortat who is reliable

Wiz are boxed in $ wise and need to start the process towards gaining flexibility. Imo I'd take this team minus Gortat (who struggles post AS break), plus Frye, a TPE, and an extra FRP knowing that the means to really improve are at least somewhat more readily available and you can still add insurance at center thru FA with the spot vacated by McCullough.

[pcbothwel]

Posted in Otto thread... Better here. I doubt we would get a gauge from NOP fans as anything reasonable would seem like an underpay for Boogie, but I really have a bad feeling about them

At the deadline, I would love to turn Gortat, Morris, Smith, filler into Deng and Cousins.
Essentially, we take on Deng and get assets (2020 1st/Nance/Hart)... We then use those assets to get Boogie.

I.E.
Wiz in: Cousins, Deng, Nance
Wiz out: Gortat, Morris, Smith, Frazier & Filler (CMC, Ochefu , etc.)

LAL in: Morris, Smith, Ajinca, Frazier, CMC
LAL out: Deng, Randle, Clarkson, Nance

NOP in: Gortat, Clarckson, Randle
NOP out: Cousins, Ajinca

*** Sweetener for NOP could easily be added by us giving away future pick, routing Hart to NOP, or sending them Sheldon Mac.

I think this has some legs.
LAL gets out of Deng's contract by giving up Randle who is about to be a FA. They get Morris at a cheap 8M and save 19M next year minimum. This summer I see them having no problem dumping Ajinca and his 1/5M contract.
They would have the following team with 2 Max roster spots...

Ball
Hart
Ingram
Morris
Zubac

NOP might be a bottom 10-12 at the deadline in the smallest market in the NBA. Im not sure what teams give anything of value for Boogie at that point. Gortat, Clarkson, and Randle are nice pieces and they dump Ajinca

Rondo / Clarkson
Jrue / Moore
Hill
Randle
AD / Gortat

We go all in with this squad and hope Deng has a nice resurgence as a backup 3/4.
Wall / Sato
Beal / Meeks / Mac
Otto / Oubre
Nance / Deng
Cousins / Mahinmi

[queridiculo]

If things turn out bad in New Orleans, what are the chances the Pelicans would send Davis and Holiday day our way for a package including Wall?

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At the deadline, I would love to turn Gortat, Morris, Smith, filler into Deng and Cousins.
Essentially, we take on Deng and get assets (2020 1st/Nance/Hart)... We then use those assets to get Boogie.

I.E.
Wiz in: Cousins, Deng, Nance
Wiz out: Gortat, Morris, Smith, Frazier & Filler (CMC, Ochefu , etc.)

LAL in: Morris, Smith, Ajinca, Frazier, CMC
LAL out: Deng, Randle, Clarkson, Nance

NOP in: Gortat, Clarckson, Randle
NOP out: Cousins, Ajinca

*** Sweetener for NOP could easily be added by us giving away future pick, routing Hart to NOP, or sending them Sheldon Mac.

I think this has some legs.
LAL gets out of Deng's contract by giving up Randle who is about to be a FA. They get Morris at a cheap 8M and save 19M next year minimum. This summer I see them having no problem dumping Ajinca and his 1/5M contract.
They would have the following team with 2 Max roster spots...

Ball
Hart
Ingram
Morris
Zubac

NOP might be a bottom 10-12 at the deadline in the smallest market in the NBA. Im not sure what teams give anything of value for Boogie at that point. Gortat, Clarkson, and Randle are nice pieces and they dump Ajinca

Rondo / Clarkson
Jrue / Moore
Hill
Randle
AD / Gortat

We go all in with this squad and hope Deng has a nice resurgence as a backup 3/4.
Wall / Sato
Beal / Meeks / Mac
Otto / Oubre
Nance / Deng
Cousins / Mahinmi

I think the Lakers really like Nance. I'd say they would rate him above Morris (as would I) -- especially given his age & cost. The trade does get them out of Deng's way overpriced contract, but in their salary situation I don't think that contract hurts them much. Ditto Clarkson.

If they pick up all options for next year, they're at $58m/10 guys including Deng. After the proposed trade, if my quick arithmetic is anywhere near right, they'd be at a total of @$42m in salary for 11 guys. Including a bunch of guys who aren't good.

Pelicans get killed in the trade of course. Randle's looking like a bust, Clarkson has an enormous contract for what he produces, & Gortat goes into next year expiring & 34.

Even though I'm not the Cousins fan a lot of people are, there's no question this trade is good for us! We give up the about to be a 34 year old expiring Gortat & essentially nothing else of any value. For which we get Cousins, Nance & Deng. !!

At the same time, how would we handle the new salary situation the trade put us in? We send out 5 guys who make about $30m combined. We take in Deng/Nance (@$21m) and Cousins who expires this year. How do we retain Cousins?

[Dat2U]

I think the Lakers really like Nance. I'd say they would rate him above Morris (as would I) -- especially given his age & cost. The trade does get them out of Deng's way overpriced contract, but in their salary situation I don't think that contract hurts them much. Ditto Clarkson.

If they pick up all options for next year, they're at $58m/10 guys including Deng. After the proposed trade, if my quick arithmetic is anywhere near right, they'd be at a total of @$42m in salary for 11 guys. Including a bunch of guys who aren't good.

Pelicans get killed in the trade of course. Randle's looking like a bust, Clarkson has an enormous contract for what he produces, & Gortat goes into next year expiring & 34.

Even though I'm not the Cousins fan a lot of people are, there's no question this trade is good for us! We give up the about to be a 34 year old expiring Gortat & essentially nothing else of any value. For which we get Cousins, Nance & Deng. !!

At the same time, how would we handle the new salary situation the trade put us in? We send out 5 guys who make about $30m combined. We take in Deng/Nance (@$21m) and Cousins who expires this year. How do we retain Cousins?

If the Lakers were willing to give up D'Angelo Russell to simply dump Timofey Mozgov, my assumption is that they'll dump anyone outside of Ball & Ingram to clear Loul Deng off their cap. Magic has been pretty straight forward. He said as much that he's building around Ball, Ingram and whoever the acquire in FA. They may like Nance, but I think they'd happily include him and Randle or Clarkson if it meant creating more cap space to attract free agents.

I think their goal is 2 max free agents to play with Ball & Ingram. If I had to put odds on it, I would say LeBron is a strong favorite to head there next offseason, even moreso than Westbrook or Paul George.

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I think the Lakers really like Nance. I'd say they would rate him above Morris (as would I) -- especially given his age & cost. The trade does get them out of Deng's way overpriced contract, but in their salary situation I don't think that contract hurts them much. Ditto Clarkson.

If they pick up all options for next year, they're at $58m/10 guys including Deng. After the proposed trade, if my quick arithmetic is anywhere near right, they'd be at a total of @$42m in salary for 11 guys. Including a bunch of guys who aren't good.

Pelicans get killed in the trade of course. Randle's looking like a bust, Clarkson has an enormous contract for what he produces, & Gortat goes into next year expiring & 34.

Even though I'm not the Cousins fan a lot of people are, there's no question this trade is good for us! We give up the about to be a 34 year old expiring Gortat & essentially nothing else of any value. For which we get Cousins, Nance & Deng. !!

At the same time, how would we handle the new salary situation the trade put us in? We send out 5 guys who make about $30m combined. We take in Deng/Nance (@$21m) and Cousins who expires this year. How do we retain Cousins?

If the Lakers were willing to give up D'Angelo Russell to simply dump Timofey Mozgov, my assumption is that they'll dump anyone outside of Ball & Ingram to clear Loul Deng off their cap. Magic has been pretty straight forward. He said as much that he's building around Ball, Ingram and whoever the acquire in FA. They may like Nance, but I think they'd happily include him and Randle or Clarkson if it meant creating more cap space to attract free agents.

I think their goal is 2 max free agents to play with Ball & Ingram. If I had to put odds on it, I would say LeBron is a strong favorite to head there next offseason, even moreso than Westbrook or Paul George.

Well, in that case, maybe pcbothwei's got something here. I can't quite wrap my head around it all the same. I just can't see them taking in all the junk from us. Could be wrong. Make it happen!!