Melo Trade Thread - Sorry Melo, these are the breaks

[King of Canada]

I can see the interest in Lee considering what we have publically and how we signed THJ. That being said, it would take more than just Celts and Knicks to make it work since a trade between just the two of them wouldnt seem to work straight up.

This is just MY speculation But I think if the Knicks gave the Celtics Lee and a 1st we could get Jaylen & Smart.

AND a 1st? THE 1st?

[NotPhilJackson]

Don't let it get to you. Your on a Knicks board after all and its the least you can expect considering what we've all been subjected to

FYI - Highly doubt we trade a first given what was said yesterday at the presser. Another team would have to be involved if the C's want Lee

You woulnd't trade a first for Jaylen Brown?

[NewYorkPride85]

:lol:

now the C's are trading Jaylen Brown who they pretty much wouldn't even trade in the Paul George negotiations...come on man we're tryin here but that is complete BS.

Have you seen Tatum? You can't be both a legitimate contender and a team of young stars. They are gonna be stuck in limbo forever if they don't move some pieces around.. Lee is more impactful right now than Brown & Smart combined especially in that offense. He is exactly what they need in a starting 2. Maybe they knew they were signing Haywood and didn't wanna go hard for PG13? Don't be so narrow-minded - Think like a team that wants to win the NBA title THIS YEAR.

After getting Hayward, I can see them being more bold in their moves to make a legitimate run at a title this year.

[mpharris36]

:lol:

now the C's are trading Jaylen Brown who they pretty much wouldn't even trade in the Paul George negotiations...come on man we're tryin here but that is complete BS.

Have you seen Tatum? You can't be both a legitimate contender and a team of young stars. They are gonna be stuck in limbo forever if they don't move some pieces around.. Lee is more impactful right now than Brown & Smart combined especially in that offense. He is exactly what they need in a starting 2. Maybe they knew they were signing Haywood and didn't wanna go hard for PG13? Don't be so narrow-minded - Think like a team that wants to win the NBA title THIS YEAR.

they 100% can load up and then move some combination of Brown/Lakers pick/brooklyn pick + other picks/young players and take a shot at Anthony Davis the following year if the pelicans experiment doesn't work out.

They aren't trading Jaylen Brown because of fit right now. They love him.

[NewYorkPride85]

Don't let it get to you. Your on a Knicks board after all and its the least you can expect considering what we've all been subjected to

FYI - Highly doubt we trade a first given what was said yesterday at the presser. Another team would have to be involved if the C's want Lee

You woulnd't trade a first for Jaylen Brown?

Of course I would, a top 5 protected at least but I just dont see this front office doing that

[Adelheid]

Mills is the president not GM. Perry is the GM. Perry will do all the work Mills will approve things if he like it. So Perry should get credit.

Even more so since on top of making all those calls and negotiations, its his job to also sell Mills on those suggestions and moves.

A guy like Mills, who does not specialize in teambuilding/scouting should be more trusting of guys who went such route and founded some success.

[Knicks Byke]

New rule, notphiljackson comes up with a new dan Patrick trade and it doesn't go through and he gets banned

BANG!!! *Breen voice*

[NotPhilJackson]

they 100% can load up and then move some combination of Brown/Lakers pick/brooklyn pick + other picks/young players and take a shot at Anthony Davis the following year if the pelicans experiment doesn't work out.

They aren't trading Jaylen Brown because of fit right now. They love him.

I mean this also sounds like a good idea. Who knows if they are thinking now or then? I don't know how critical Brown's presence is in that trade scenario but I hear ya. Who knows, all I know is my man told me C's are targeting Lee. Everything else that I've said is purely speculation..

[BKlutch]

I'd love to get Crowder on our team for Lee... I'd also like to get Melo's salary for the job I do... but I'm more likely to find success in the NY State Lottery.

Hey, you never know.

[NotPhilJackson]

I'd love to get Crowder on our team for Lee... I'd also like to get Melo's salary for the job I do... but I'm more likely to find success in the NY State Lottery.

Hey, you never know.

[thebuzzardman]

New rule, notphiljackson comes up with a new dan Patrick trade and it doesn't go through and he gets banned

I said C's want Lee. That's it. I won't ever speak again on what is said to me in terms of insider NBA information because you all piss me off whenever I try and contribute.

Idk why everyone assumes Crowder would be moved the second I said that, yall know Jaylen Brown makes like a million less than Crowder?? The trade works with Jaylen and Smart - Knicks throw in a pick of some kind and we get 2 top 10 picks, they fill their void. Crowder's contract is too good..

This isn't the most awful trade in the world for the Celts. I get everyone gets on Ainges hype train for his players, but are Smart and Crowder THAT good? Don't get me wrong; they are decent players. They play defense. Then again, the ENTIRE Boston team plays defense. Now, part of that is that they went after guys who want to play it, so I get that this attribute is within Crowder and Smart. On the other hand, for a few years now, Boston has had all sorts of depth at SG/SF, so if WANT to get playing time, and Stevens demands defense, then you are going to play some, and play hard, just to get off the bench at all.

I mean, Marcus Smart, overdrafted at 6th, doesn't mean he's a high first round value. Plays D. Is obnoxious as f*ck. Can't shoot for sh*t, as his, so far, career 35% shooting % shows. Oh, but he must be some big assist man then. 4.5 apg in 30 mpg last year. Gets to the line all of 3 attempts a game. This is last year under contract, so, either that is attractive to the C's as expiring, or they want to get something for him now while they can. Maybe they like Terry Rozier better (another 1st round pick)

Crowder we know can play D, but the Celts have like 3 SF's ahead of him on the depth chart:Haywood, Tatum and Brown. I get that Haywood and Brown can see time at SG. And? That's still 3 guys for 96 minutes. He's a good 3&D, who just got good at shooting 3's this year. He was average last year. He wasn't good at it before then.

KOQ makes sense for Boston because they have Horford, then Zeller and Ante Zizic (hey, another 1st round pick). Until Zizic shows he can play, KOQ is insurance at back up C, and his deal isn't long.

Other than Ainge no doubt thinks these guys sh*t gold, it actually isn't too far off base on deal. CLee rationalizes backup SG, they clear a SF who is out of the rotation, and the question mark is what they think of Smart vs Rozier.

[TDcraz5]

:lol:

now the C's are trading Jaylen Brown who they pretty much wouldn't even trade in the Paul George negotiations...come on man we're tryin here but that is complete BS.

Have you seen Tatum? You can't be both a legitimate contender and a team of young stars. They are gonna be stuck in limbo forever if they don't move some pieces around.. Lee is more impactful right now than Brown & Smart combined especially in that offense. He is exactly what they need in a starting 2. Maybe they knew they were signing Haywood and didn't wanna go hard for PG13? Don't be so narrow-minded - Think like a team that wants to win the NBA title THIS YEAR.

Okay, it's settled that this entire thing is made up... but you need to stop giving Lee so much trade value. You had us getting back a kings ransom just by including him in the Melo deal (Harkless, hartenstein, 1st, etc.). He'll be 32 at the start of next season and he's overpaid. He's not a starting two guard... he's a 6th/7th man off the bench for a good team.

[TDcraz5]

Don't let it get to you. Your on a Knicks board after all and its the least you can expect considering what we've all been subjected to

FYI - Highly doubt we trade a first given what was said yesterday at the presser. Another team would have to be involved if the C's want Lee

You woulnd't trade a first for Jaylen Brown?

No.

[thebuzzardman]

I can see the interest in Lee considering what we have publically and how we signed THJ. That being said, it would take more than just Celts and Knicks to make it work since a trade between just the two of them wouldnt seem to work straight up.

This is just MY speculation But I think if the Knicks gave the Celtics Lee and a 1st we could get Jaylen & Smart.

AND a 1st? THE 1st?

Is that from Misfits or Preacher? Love Joe Gilgun

[newyorker4ever]

they 100% can load up and then move some combination of Brown/Lakers pick/brooklyn pick + other picks/young players and take a shot at Anthony Davis the following year if the pelicans experiment doesn't work out.

They aren't trading Jaylen Brown because of fit right now. They love him.

I mean this also sounds like a good idea. Who knows if they are thinking now or then? I don't know how critical Brown's presence is in that trade scenario but I hear ya. Who knows, all I know is my man told me C's are targeting Lee. Everything else that I've said is purely speculation..

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[NewYorkPride85]

Mills is the president not GM. Perry is the GM. Perry will do all the work Mills will approve things if he like it. So Perry should get credit.

Even more so since on top of making all those calls and negotiations, its his job to also sell Mills on those suggestions and moves.

A guy like Mills, who does not specialize in teambuilding/scouting should be more trusting of guys who went such route and founded some success.

Its why I think a lot of people are missing the point with Mills. In what world would Dolan be ok with a rebuild? In what world would he be ok with fixing the front office? Mills has Dolans trust and he has been talking with a lot of autonomy and saying things this franchise has never heard before but he isn't dumb and knows he can't do it himself. That's where Perry comes in, a guy who has 30 years experience as a coach and executive from successful ball clubs. Regardsless of what people may think, Griffen would have never worked because he doesnt have Dolans ear. Mills and Perry will work because for the first time it seems like we are all in lockstep and Mills will be much more open to what Perry recommends that people think. At least thats what I believe.

[Knicksfan1992]

New rule, notphiljackson comes up with a new dan Patrick trade and it doesn't go through and he gets banned

I said C's want Lee. That's it. I won't ever speak again on what is said to me in terms of insider NBA information because you all piss me off whenever I try and contribute.

Idk why everyone assumes Crowder would be moved the second I said that, yall know Jaylen Brown makes like a million less than Crowder?? The trade works with Jaylen and Smart - Knicks throw in a pick of some kind and we get 2 top 10 picks, they fill their void. Crowder's contract is too good..

This isn't the most awful trade in the world for the Celts. I get everyone gets on Ainges hype train for his players, but are Smart and Crowder THAT good? Don't get me wrong; they are decent players. They play defense. Then again, the ENTIRE Boston team plays defense. Now, part of that is that they went after guys who want to play it, so I get that this attribute is within Crowder and Smart. On the other hand, for a few years now, Boston has had all sorts of depth at SG/SF, so if WANT to get playing time, and Stevens demands defense, then you are going to play some, and play hard, just to get off the bench at all.

I mean, Marcus Smart, overdrafted at 6th, doesn't mean he's a high first round value. Plays D. Is obnoxious as f*ck. Can't shoot for sh*t, as his, so far, career 35% shooting % shows. Oh, but he must be some big assist man the. 4.5 apg in 30 mpg last year. Gets to the line all of 3 attempts a game. This is last year under contract, so, either that is attractive to the C's as expiring, or they want to get something for him now while they can. Maybe the like Terry Rozier better (another 1st round pick)

Crowder we know can play D, but the Celts have like 3 SF's ahead of him on the depth chart:Haywood, Tatum and Brown. I get that Haywood and Brown can see time at SG. And? That's still 3 guys for 96 minutes. He's a good 3&D, who just got good at shooting 3's this year. He was average last year. He wasn't good at it before then.

KOQ makes sense for Boston because they have Horford, then Zeller and Ante Zizic (hey, another 1st round pick). Until Zizic shows he can play, KOQ is insurance at back up C, and his deal isn't long.

Other than Ainge no doubt thinks these guys sh*t gold, it actually isn't too far off base on deal. CLee rationalizes backup SG, they clear a SF who is out of the rotation, and the question mark is what they think of Smart vs Rozier.

Crowder averaged 14 points a game last year on 61% true shooting while being a above average wing defender. Crowder is ver y valuable especially when you consider his contract size. I mean lets face it. Hardaway got 71 million while being less efficient and worse defensively. (And I was ok with the Hardaway signing just trying to prove the point on Crowder.) Like I said in the other thread having him himself is better than having both Lee and O'Quinn.

[King of Canada]

This is just MY speculation But I think if the Knicks gave the Celtics Lee and a 1st we could get Jaylen & Smart.

AND a 1st? THE 1st?

Is that from Misfits or Preacher? Love Joe Gilgun

It's not from Preacher, he looks too young. I've only ever seen him in Preacher though, and I love it. This season is amazing.

[NotPhilJackson]

:lol:

now the C's are trading Jaylen Brown who they pretty much wouldn't even trade in the Paul George negotiations...come on man we're tryin here but that is complete BS.

Have you seen Tatum? You can't be both a legitimate contender and a team of young stars. They are gonna be stuck in limbo forever if they don't move some pieces around.. Lee is more impactful right now than Brown & Smart combined especially in that offense. He is exactly what they need in a starting 2. Maybe they knew they were signing Haywood and didn't wanna go hard for PG13? Don't be so narrow-minded - Think like a team that wants to win the NBA title THIS YEAR.

Okay, it's settled that this entire thing is made up... but you need to stop giving Lee so much trade value. You had us getting back a kings ransom just by including him in the Melo deal (Harkless, hartenstein, 1st, etc.). He'll be 32 at the start of next season and he's overpaid. He's not a starting two guard... he's a 6th/7th man off the bench for a good team.

I STILL dont see how Harkless, Hartenstein and a 1st is a KINGS RANSOM for MELO & LEE? You seem like one of the less savvy of the bunch here on these forums. If they acquired Lee for Smart, he would start at 2 next season. I don't see who you think they are sending out there?? Smart is currently their starting 2. Lee is making 11 mil next season, he's got trade value coming off a career season. If you don't think we could flip him for a pick at the trade deadline to a contender then I don't respect your opinion. If you do think that, then his value is set.

[Crunchknicks1]

I will say Boston needs a starting 2 and lee fits there style of play which is D and a shooter they need badly. Because Brown can not shoot on the level they need with Hayward and I Thomas. A line up of Thomas Lee Hayward Morris And Horford is a balanced lineup. With Rozier Green Brown Baines and Tatum off the bench that team is loaded. Now for the Knicks it's a steal. They would also have K oquinn as well. Idk I think it make sense.