2017 Nets Offseason Thread III

[Claud]

I would take Speights over Plum 100%.

If Atkinson envisions the Nets as a team that's athletic, runs, and hit 3s I'm not sure Speights is the best fit. Plumlee is certainly flawed but he can easily fill the Tristan Thompson block, rebound, dunk role for the team

Our Lobs-n-blocks big will be Allen though. I heard Kenny say that he could even start if he has a good training camp. We have a lot of solid guards/wings but lack quality bigs... I think Allen will be starting sooner than most think. He will definitely need to bulk up but you can't teach timing/feel defensively which is what he has. Plumlee is a finished product and we have seen his best already...plus his talents are redundant when you consider our bigs rotation.

We need a stretch big since only Acy could be considered as a threat from 3 when you consider Moz-RHJ-Book-Nicholson-Allen are non-existent threats from 3. Motion offense plus RHJ/BOOK as your 4 requires some spacing(Brook's job last year).

[Netaman]

I would take Speights over Plum 100%.

If Atkinson envisions the Nets as a team that's athletic, runs, and hit 3s I'm not sure Speights is the best fit. Plumlee is certainly flawed but he can easily fill the Tristan Thompson block, rebound, dunk role for the team

And pass.

[shakendfries]

I would take Speights over Plum 100%.

If Atkinson envisions the Nets as a team that's athletic, runs, and hit 3s I'm not sure Speights is the best fit. Plumlee is certainly flawed but he can easily fill the Tristan Thompson block, rebound, dunk role for the team

Our Lobs-n-blocks big will be Allen though. I heard Kenny say that he could even start if he has a good training camp. We have a lot of solid guards/wings but lack quality bigs... I think Allen will be starting sooner than most think. He will definitely need to bulk up but you can't teach timing/feel defensively which is what he has. Plumlee is a finished product and we have seen his best already...plus his talents are redundant when you consider our bigs rotation.

We need a stretch big since only Acy could be considered as a threat from 3 when you consider Moz-RHJ-Book-Nicholson-Allen are non-existent threats from 3. Motion offense plus RHJ/BOOK as your 4 requires some spacing(Brook's job last year).

Isn't Allen 19? Let's chill on our projections for him right now. When Plumlee was drafted & played after Lopez got injured, he was far more older & developed than Allen, so don't expect an identical career trajectory for Jarrett. He still needs to get stronger & refine his game before Atkinson should even consider to log him with big minutes.

Furthermore, Allen is far more offensively talented than to merely be relegated to lobs-n-blocks.

When you consider the grand scheme of the Nets' rotation, Plums makes a lot of sense. Moz & Plums is a solid rotation for centers. + by the time Moz's contract expires, Allen should be a much better player who's ready to play a bigger role, as opposed to thrusting him into the fire right now.

[Paradise]

If Atkinson envisions the Nets as a team that's athletic, runs, and hit 3s I'm not sure Speights is the best fit. Plumlee is certainly flawed but he can easily fill the Tristan Thompson block, rebound, dunk role for the team

Our Lobs-n-blocks big will be Allen though. I heard Kenny say that he could even start if he has a good training camp. We have a lot of solid guards/wings but lack quality bigs... I think Allen will be starting sooner than most think. He will definitely need to bulk up but you can't teach timing/feel defensively which is what he has. Plumlee is a finished product and we have seen his best already...plus his talents are redundant when you consider our bigs rotation.

We need a stretch big since only Acy could be considered as a threat from 3 when you consider Moz-RHJ-Book-Nicholson-Allen are non-existent threats from 3. Motion offense plus RHJ/BOOK as your 4 requires some spacing(Brook's job last year).

Isn't Allen 19? Let's chill on our projections for him right now. When Plumlee was drafted & played after Lopez got injured, he was far more older & developed than Allen, so don't expect an identical career trajectory for Jarrett. He still needs to get stronger & refine his game before Atkinson should even consider to log him with big minutes.

Furthermore, Allen is far more offensively talented than to merely be relegated to lobs-n-blocks.

When you consider the grand scheme of the Nets' rotation, Plums makes a lot of sense. Moz & Plums is a solid rotation for centers. + by the time Moz's contract expires, Allen should be a much better player who's ready to play a bigger role, as opposed to thrusting him into the fire right now.

Why?

He's never going to improve until he gets his feet wet and there isn't many bigs that's going beat him up inside offensively in the East and his ability to dunk, block shots could be helpful immediately. He seems to be the kind of kid that will benefit from a role right away similar to LeVert. Besides, he's never going to see 30 minutes a night until he's older so a quality 15-20 minutes per game should be fine. Starting or coming off the bench.

Signing Plumlee means we would more than likely develop Jarrett next to him considering he's been a PF in college as well.

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[shakendfries]

Our Lobs-n-blocks big will be Allen though. I heard Kenny say that he could even start if he has a good training camp. We have a lot of solid guards/wings but lack quality bigs... I think Allen will be starting sooner than most think. He will definitely need to bulk up but you can't teach timing/feel defensively which is what he has. Plumlee is a finished product and we have seen his best already...plus his talents are redundant when you consider our bigs rotation.

We need a stretch big since only Acy could be considered as a threat from 3 when you consider Moz-RHJ-Book-Nicholson-Allen are non-existent threats from 3. Motion offense plus RHJ/BOOK as your 4 requires some spacing(Brook's job last year).

Isn't Allen 19? Let's chill on our projections for him right now. When Plumlee was drafted & played after Lopez got injured, he was far more older & developed than Allen, so don't expect an identical career trajectory for Jarrett. He still needs to get stronger & refine his game before Atkinson should even consider to log him with big minutes.

Furthermore, Allen is far more offensively talented than to merely be relegated to lobs-n-blocks.

When you consider the grand scheme of the Nets' rotation, Plums makes a lot of sense. Moz & Plums is a solid rotation for centers. + by the time Moz's contract expires, Allen should be a much better player who's ready to play a bigger role, as opposed to thrusting him into the fire right now.

Why?

He's never going to improve until he gets his feet wet and there isn't many bigs that's going beat him up inside offensively in the East and his ability to dunk, block shots could be helpful immediately. He seems to be the kind of kid that will benefit from a role right away similar to LeVert. Besides, he's never going to see 30 minutes a night until he's older so a quality 15-20 minutes per game should be fine. Starting or coming off the bench.

Signing Plumlee means we would more than likely develop Jarrett next to him considering he's been a PF in college as well.

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Simple, so we can win more than 20 games like we did last season

Watching LeVert last year was 'fun' but I'd rather see him surpass decent competition at his position with Carroll 'eating up minutes' if it results in the Nets winning more games if last season's 'trial by fire' is the alternative. Even Paul George had to prove himself to his teammates by surpassing Danny Granger (albeit, the injuries helped). I see no reason why Allen shouldn't have some legitimate competition at his center position for the next 2 seasons as he is challenged to improve.

[Netaman]

There's an under appreciation for how much even modest winning helps players development. Just throwing young guys into the fire isn't development. Development is having a structured organization, bringing in talented people who fit that structure, and then bringing those talented people along at a speed that fits them. Not everyone is ready day 1 and good organizations know that sometimes it's counterproductive to throw guys to wolves right away because bad habits are easy to form and hard to break.

There's an enormous value to allowing young players time learning how to succeed both individually and as a team from veterans.

[Paradise]

Isn't Allen 19? Let's chill on our projections for him right now. When Plumlee was drafted & played after Lopez got injured, he was far more older & developed than Allen, so don't expect an identical career trajectory for Jarrett. He still needs to get stronger & refine his game before Atkinson should even consider to log him with big minutes.

Furthermore, Allen is far more offensively talented than to merely be relegated to lobs-n-blocks.

When you consider the grand scheme of the Nets' rotation, Plums makes a lot of sense. Moz & Plums is a solid rotation for centers. + by the time Moz's contract expires, Allen should be a much better player who's ready to play a bigger role, as opposed to thrusting him into the fire right now.

Why?

He's never going to improve until he gets his feet wet and there isn't many bigs that's going beat him up inside offensively in the East and his ability to dunk, block shots could be helpful immediately. He seems to be the kind of kid that will benefit from a role right away similar to LeVert. Besides, he's never going to see 30 minutes a night until he's older so a quality 15-20 minutes per game should be fine. Starting or coming off the bench.

Signing Plumlee means we would more than likely develop Jarrett next to him considering he's been a PF in college as well.

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Simple, so we can win more than 20 games like we did last season

Watching LeVert last year was 'fun' but I'd rather see him surpass decent competition at his position with Carroll 'eating up minutes' if it results in the Nets winning more games if last season's 'trial by fire' is the alternative. Even Paul George had to prove himself to his teammates by surpassing Danny Granger (albeit, the injuries helped). I see no reason why Allen shouldn't have some legitimate competition at his center position for the next 2 seasons as he is challenged to improve.

He'll bounce back and forth but I can't see him staying in Long Island but maybe I'm wrong.

Acy was quietly re-signed on his wedding day so we know he's staying. Gotta love this organization right now.



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[shakendfries]

He'll bounce back and forth but I can't see him staying in Long Island but maybe I'm wrong.

Acy was re-signed on his wedding day so we know he's staying. Gotta love this organization right now.


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Allen is gonna be our next Hassan Whiteside. It would be one thing for Allen to thump it on Mozgov consistently in practice like Blake did back in the day.



It's another thing entirely if Allen can consistently dominate against younger and more athletic competition in Plumlee.

[Paradise]

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The Nets traded for Russell in June.

“I think Brad Stevens said this the other day: We don’t even look at the roster like 1-2-3-4-5. We have our smalls, our perimeters that can handle the ball. Then we have our wings, then you have your shooting bigs and your rolling bigs. It’s like, I don’t anticipate any problems," said Kenny Atkinson.

"The way we play offense, it’s very conducive to both of them getting enough touches. You look at C.J. McCollum and Damian Lillard — and I don’t want to compare the players — but they end up both playing a ton of point guard. They just stagger the minutes. So believe me, there’s gonna be enough minutes, enough touches for both of those guys.

"I look at it for myself as like, we just got another really good player. Jeremy’s really good, he’s really good. Now it’s up to our coaching staff to figure out how we can use them best.”

Lin / Dinwiddie
Russell / Whitehead / Kilpatrick
LeVert / Carroll / Harris
RHJ / Booker / Nicholson
Moz/ Allen / Acy



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[Joel Embust]

I would take Speights over Plum 100%.

If Atkinson envisions the Nets as a team that's athletic, runs, and hit 3s I'm not sure Speights is the best fit. Plumlee is certainly flawed but he can easily fill the Tristan Thompson block, rebound, dunk role for the team

And pass.

Yeah, underrated passer. He's great in a high pace system.

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[Roy Tarpley]

Coming to tri-state billboards everywhere:

The Nets traded for Russell in June.

“I think Brad Stevens said this the other day: We don’t even look at the roster like 1-2-3-4-5. We have our smalls, our perimeters that can handle the ball. Then we have our wings, then you have your shooting bigs and your rolling bigs. It’s like, I don’t anticipate any problems," said Kenny Atkinson.

"The way we play offense, it’s very conducive to both of them getting enough touches. You look at C.J. McCollum and Damian Lillard — and I don’t want to compare the players — but they end up both playing a ton of point guard. They just stagger the minutes. So believe me, there’s gonna be enough minutes, enough touches for both of those guys.

"I look at it for myself as like, we just got another really good player. Jeremy’s really good, he’s really good. Now it’s up to our coaching staff to figure out how we can use them best.”

Lin / Dinwiddie
Russell / Whitehead / Kilpatrick
LeVert / Carroll / Harris
RHJ / Booker / Nicholson
Moz/ Allen / Acy



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I looked at the Blazers stats from last year and McCollum and Russell each had like 19 FGA per game and then Nurkic had like 12 FGA and then a bunch of others had around 8 FGA per game.

I don't think Russell/Lin will play 35 mpg like Lillard/McCollum, probably more around 32, but I can see them taking the majority of the shots, then Levert with around 12, and then the rest (RHJ, Booker, Carroll, Skil) taking around 8 FGA.

[vincecarter4pres]

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I wonder if he's related to Scottie Burrell?

[DartboardT]

One could argue PF depth is "sufficient". DMC at 3/4, Booker at 4, RHJ at 4.

A 4/5 with a credible 3-point shot would certainly be an area of need for the Nets' system, no doubt.

we have acy

Acy is more of a 3/4, though? Only Draymonds get to play 4/5, lol

Unless you mean the 3, in which case cool, only a 4/5 player with range is the glaring need for depth and the 3-ball threat.

[DartboardT]

"The way we play offense, it’s very conducive to both of them getting enough touches. You look at C.J. McCollum and Damian Lillard — and I don’t want to compare the players — but they end up both playing a ton of point guard. They just stagger the minutes. So believe me, there’s gonna be enough minutes, enough touches for both of those guys.

"I look at it for myself as like, we just got another really good player. Jeremy’s really good, he’s really good. Now it’s up to our coaching staff to figure out how we can use them best.”

Small plus for Nets: JLin's a big PG and proven decent-or-better defender, and I believe Dloading's really built like a typical SG, so overall defensive potential may well be higher than Dame+CJ.

[moonpie]

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[vincecarter4pres]

I like a lot of things Whitehead does, but dislike a lot of other things. He's an interesting player though, but he has to become a better finisher, clean up his shot selection and play more to his strenghts. But he's super young and green and was/is going to be have to force the issue on this roster, so there's a lot of promise for his future. I just hope it clicks for him sooner rather than later, because if not he'll be the standard case of a guy 5 or 6 seasons down the line making that impact for another team because it took a change of scenery for it all to come to fruition.

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[MGrand15]

I'm actually shocked that our roster is full of non shooting bigs. Right now Carroll and Act are the only guys that sort of fit that category. Everyone else is a non factor out of the paint. Weird to see such a shift in philosophy from last year.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

The Nets need to find a way to be the 3rd team in a Ryan Anderson trade. I think he would fit the team perfectly, but only if we're able to move Carroll and Nicholsons deals.

Something like this:
Rockets Trade: Ryan Anderson, Hartenstein, 2019 1st, 2018 2nd, Zhou Qi and their minimum contract pu put platter.
Rockets Get: Carmelo Anthony, Andrew Nicholson

Nets trade: Carroll, Nicholson (12 mill less than Andersons total)
Nets Get: Anderson, Hartenstein, left over from minimum contract pu pu platter.

Knicks Get: Demarre Carroll, 2019 Rockets 1st, 2nd, Zhou Qi and first choice of Min Contract pupu platter.
Knicks Trade: Carmelo Anthony

According to the trade machine it works if done after the trade restrictions on Jared Uthoff and Zhou Qi expire on August 28th.