The Legend of Joel Embiid

[aHealthy3]

I mean realistically he should be 90+. Pretty sure health doesn't have much if any bearing on that rating.

[PhilBlackson]

If Embiid stays healthy this year I don't think it's a stretch to say with the additions of 2 creators in Simmons and Fultz increasing his already stellar scoring efficiency, Embiid can easily make the jump to a top 10 player.

Regardless of Simmons or Fultz, if Biid is HEALTHY he is a top 10 player in the league no questions asked.

Flame away but I would as far as to argue top 5. He has an unreal effect on this team's defensive ratings when on court and his per 36 looks like a Shaquille O'Neal stat line. I know I might sound like a homer but outside of LeBron and KD personally I'm not sure who else I would take over a healthy Embiid. He is a generational talent imo, just praying he can somehow stay healthy.

[cksdayoff]

with all the floor spacing and distributors the sixers have on the court, i cant imagine embiid not averaging 23+ ppg

[clownclownclown]

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Burned by soccer star Pogba here...maybe a two-way contract for Paul?

Embiid held his own though

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[shawn_hemp]

they gave Simmons an 84 in 2k17 before he ever played a game

Embiid should at least be 88-90 range. They also have to adjust his 3pt shot tendency. In 2k17 he never really attempts 3pters in simulations

basically, Embiid and KAT should be about the same rating, and I would bet money that KAT is higher than an 86

im curious what Jahlil's rating is going to be. It's funny, in 2k17 Association, Jah always turns into this All-NBA player who plays defense and it is cringe worthy

[Ericb5]

Thought experiment with Embiid:

Would it be worth it to max out Joel Embiid if you knew that every season, he would play no more than 40 games, but he would always be fully healthy for the playoffs?

In this scenario, I think it would ultimately cap the future Sixers out as a 2nd or 3rd seed in the conference. However, it would still give the team serious title contention ability come playoff time. It would definitely hurt, but I think Embiid might be so good that it is still worth it to pay him for 40 games a year + playoffs. What are your opinions though?

The Sixers are done tanking, why would you sit a healthy Embiid. Also, you can have time restrictions like the Spurs did with Tim Duncan without disrupting chemistry. Hopefully, Embiid works with the team and takes a contract that benefits both, like Durant just did.

This isn't about sitting him, it's more of looking at a (realistic) future in which Embiid can never physically play more than 40 games a season. I think he would almost still be worth maxing (or close to it) for his sheer dominance in those games and playoffs.

Embiid is either going to bust due to stress fractures, or he is going have an average NBA career health wise. There is no reason to relegate him to only playing half the games.

If he plays less than 50 games this next year then I agree that we should be concerned, but he could also play 70 and take us to 50 wins.


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[Chris76]

The Sixers are done tanking, why would you sit a healthy Embiid. Also, you can have time restrictions like the Spurs did with Tim Duncan without disrupting chemistry. Hopefully, Embiid works with the team and takes a contract that benefits both, like Durant just did.

This isn't about sitting him, it's more of looking at a (realistic) future in which Embiid can never physically play more than 40 games a season. I think he would almost still be worth maxing (or close to it) for his sheer dominance in those games and playoffs.

Embiid is either going to bust due to stress fractures, or he is going have an average NBA career health wise. There is no reason to relegate him to only playing half the games.

If he plays less than 50 games this next year then I agree that we should be concerned, but he could also play 70 and take us to 50 wins.


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Embiid wants to be the best player in the league. Healthy or not, he will give all he can to win every game. Simmons and Fultz will be the players that do everything to help Embiid accomplish that. Simmons will do the rebounding and get everybody efficient shots. Fultz will be the secondary playmaker and he will create shots at the end of the shot clock. Redick and Covington will be ready for open threes. This team is ready to compete and win.

[LordCovington33]

He got 86.
https://www.thescore.com/news/1334847

[Simmons25]

Thought experiment with Embiid:

Would it be worth it to max out Joel Embiid if you knew that every season, he would play no more than 40 games, but he would always be fully healthy for the playoffs?

In this scenario, I think it would ultimately cap the future Sixers out as a 2nd or 3rd seed in the conference. However, it would still give the team serious title contention ability come playoff time. It would definitely hurt, but I think Embiid might be so good that it is still worth it to pay him for 40 games a year + playoffs. What are your opinions though?

The Sixers are done tanking, why would you sit a healthy Embiid. Also, you can have time restrictions like the Spurs did with Tim Duncan without disrupting chemistry. Hopefully, Embiid works with the team and takes a contract that benefits both, like Durant just did.

This isn't about sitting him, it's more of looking at a (realistic) future in which Embiid can never physically play more than 40 games a season. I think he would almost still be worth maxing (or close to it) for his sheer dominance in those games and playoffs.

I can't see any reason why Embiid can't play more than 40 games a year. It's not like he has stress related injuries or issues with his body not holding up. He has a partially torn meniscus as a result of an impact from the way he landed. It can happen to any player at any time. It could have happened to Embiid in Game 1 or Game 82... it's not really an indication of a weakness in his body.

[Unbreakable99]

I'm confident Embiid can and will play more than 60 games.

[dkj5061]

It was just supposed to be a thought experiment haha. Oh well.
I obviously hope Embiid can stay healthy, but I'm also a realist. His body has never held up for even 30 games of basketball in a season, regardless of the reason, going back to college. Obviously last year's injury was a freak one that could happen to anyone, but things like that continue to happen to Embiid. I'm praying his luck turns around and he has the hall of fame career he should have.

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[PhilBlackson]

If Embiid plays 60+ games (and Simmons is healthy the entire season), this team will shock the league and win somewhere between 48-52 games.

As for the discussion of his 2K ratings he should EASILY be 90+. I know I continue to sound like a homer but Joel is (not maybe) better than KAT if we're just talking about skills and impact on his team not mpg or games played and these ratings are supposed to be based solely on how good the player is not minutes played. If Embiid does in fact play more than 60 games this season the entire league is going to see that he is in fact a MVP caliber player and if he continues to be healthy through the Playoffs teams like WAS, TOR and BOS have no idea what they're in for.

[mrfantast1c]

they gave Simmons an 84 in 2k17 before he ever played a game

Embiid should at least be 88-90 range. They also have to adjust his 3pt shot tendency. In 2k17 he never really attempts 3pters in simulations

basically, Embiid and KAT should be about the same rating, and I would bet money that KAT is higher than an 86

im curious what Jahlil's rating is going to be. It's funny, in 2k17 Association, Jah always turns into this All-NBA player who plays defense and it is cringe worthy

They gave Simmons a 79. Incoming rookies almost never get over an 80 overall in 2k

[sixerswillrule]

If Embiid plays 60+ games (and Simmons is healthy the entire season), this team will shock the league and win somewhere between 48-52 games.

Agreed, though my estimate would be slightly less, around 45-48 wins. Still would surprise a lot of people. We won 28 games last season with only 31 games of Embiid at 25 mpg and a rotation that is clearly worse than it will be this season. The combination of the improved rotation, internal improvement, and 60+ games from Embiid at 30 mpg (obviously an if) easily gets us into the mid 40s. If Embiid is hurt and plays a similar amount of time as last season, then we win 38-42 games.

[sixers hoops]

Over/under on Embiid games played this year? 60?

Prob hedge my bets and take the under. With this medical staff, he may not play back-to backs until after Christmas. One small toe stub and he could miss two weeks.

He could miss 25 games primarily from the medical staff nickel-and-diming him out of games.

[sixers hoops]

Thought experiment with Embiid:

Would it be worth it to max out Joel Embiid if you knew that every season, he would play no more than 40 games, but he would always be fully healthy for the playoffs?

In this scenario, I think it would ultimately cap the future Sixers out as a 2nd or 3rd seed in the conference. However, it would still give the team serious title contention ability come playoff time. It would definitely hurt, but I think Embiid might be so good that it is still worth it to pay him for 40 games a year + playoffs. What are your opinions though?

I'd settle for that. Playoff seeding doesn't matter very much if you have a monster like Embiid healthy for the playoffs.

[KramerDSP]

1) Which players in history most compare to 7'2" 275 pound Joel Embiid?

2) When it is all said and done, will Joel Embiid play in more than 500 games in a career? He's at 31 regular season games right now after three seasons.

Im thinking his absolute ceiling is a rich man's version of young Ardyvas Sabonis, minus the outlier passing skills. But I think he ends up being far more fortunate with his health than the broken-down version of Sabonis that was still an amazing talent in the NBA. So I have him at over 500 games played in a career. I'd love to find out that he ended up playing into his 40s like Robert Parish, but I think we all know we have a Faustian bargain of sorts - we have one of the most incredible basketball prospects that ever lived, and we have accepted that every game we watch him in may be his last, more than anyone else that captured the fanbase's imagination.

We never worried about these things with Wilt, Doc, Barkley, or Iverson. With Embiid? Every game he plays in will be must see for the diehards, because it just might be his last. It's both terrifying and thrilling, and when you add his personality, which has strong whiffs of Ali in it, it makes Joel Embiid the most exciting attraction in town, bar none.

[BullyKing]

1) Which players in history most compare to 7'2" 275 pound Joel Embiid?

2) When it is all said and done, will Joel Embiid play in more than 500 games in a career? He's at 31 regular season games right now after three seasons.

Im thinking his absolute ceiling is a rich man's version of young Ardyvas Sabonis, minus the outlier passing skills. But I think he ends up being far more fortunate with his health than the broken-down version of Sabonis that was still an amazing talent in the NBA. So I have him at over 500 games played in a career. I'd love to find out that he ended up playing into his 40s like Robert Parish, but I think we all know we have a Faustian bargain of sorts - we have one of the most incredible basketball prospects that ever lived, and we have accepted that every game we watch him in may be his last, more than anyone else that captured the fanbase's imagination.

We never worried about these things with Wilt, Doc, Barkley, or Iverson. With Embiid? Every game he plays in will be must see for the diehards, because it just might be his last. It's both terrifying and thrilling, and when you add his personality, which has strong whiffs of Ali in it, it makes Joel Embiid the most exciting attraction in town, bar none.

Crossing sports here but I could see Jojo becoming like Eric Lindros. Just complete domination when he is able to play but availability will always be an issue.

[KramerDSP]

1) Which players in history most compare to 7'2" 275 pound Joel Embiid?

2) When it is all said and done, will Joel Embiid play in more than 500 games in a career? He's at 31 regular season games right now after three seasons.

Im thinking his absolute ceiling is a rich man's version of young Ardyvas Sabonis, minus the outlier passing skills. But I think he ends up being far more fortunate with his health than the broken-down version of Sabonis that was still an amazing talent in the NBA. So I have him at over 500 games played in a career. I'd love to find out that he ended up playing into his 40s like Robert Parish, but I think we all know we have a Faustian bargain of sorts - we have one of the most incredible basketball prospects that ever lived, and we have accepted that every game we watch him in may be his last, more than anyone else that captured the fanbase's imagination.

We never worried about these things with Wilt, Doc, Barkley, or Iverson. With Embiid? Every game he plays in will be must see for the diehards, because it just might be his last. It's both terrifying and thrilling, and when you add his personality, which has strong whiffs of Ali in it, it makes Joel Embiid the most exciting attraction in town, bar none.

Crossing sports here but I could see Jojo becoming like Eric Lindros. Just complete domination when he is able to play but availability will always be an issue.

I cannot bear the thought of the Embiid version of the Scott Stevens hit on Lindross. Everyone knew nothing would be the same again after that hit. Everyone.