Melo Trade Thread - Sorry Melo, these are the breaks

[moocow007]

Melo wants Houston because he knows there's a minimal chance the two parties can work a trade out. He's not going to open up for more teams because he ultimately wants the Knicks to buy out the contract. He's not going to be mature about this whole ordeal...

How is Melo not being mature? He has a NTC and is using it. Right now he is telling the Knicks I will play for Houston - Cleveland or the Knicks. That is the option PHILLIP gave him. He has every right to use it. Just like a club has every right to trade a player he doesn't want to go if that player doesn't have a NTC. Melo got the NTC so he is using it.

Sure. The Kbicks have also every right to bench him, not play him etc. We'll see how mature he is then I guess. This is only going to get messier....

And how mature would the organization that is supposedly looking to establish a "winning culture" look if they did that? This is the same line as those that supported Larry Brown when he was screwing things up intentionally. Sure it would have been nice to get rid of Thomas but it also sets a tone that you are no better than the one you are trying to get rid of.

[bigfnjoe96]

Sure. The Kbicks have also every right to bench him, not play him etc. We'll see how mature he is then I guess. This is only going to get messier....

Unless he's injured or being a detrement to the team, the Knicks cannot bench him, without being ready to have the NBAPA file a lawsuit on Melo's behalf. Do people not realize NBA Player's have a union, and that union is pretty powerful?????

A lawsuit? lmfao.

My man, Melo is part of a Union. Do you not understand what means???

A labor union is an organization intended to represent the collective interests of workers in negotiations with employers over wages, hours, benefits and working conditions.

So again, if the Knicks bench Melo for no reason, and the man is healthy to play and isn't a detrement to the team, you better believe the NBAPA will get involved.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

How about:
Melo to Hou

Harkless, B.Knight, Vonleah, Quarterman and (Hou) 2020 unprotected 1st round pick and a pick swap option in 2021 to NYK

Ryan Anderson, Kyle O'Quinn to Phx

Dragan Bender, Orinaku and cash to PDX

And if we want Bledsoe I'm sure Phx would ask for both pick considerations from Houston. Mills says "no" and Knight becomes our starting pg.

Ryan Anderson does not fit our timeline but the guy isn't useless and in a NBA where fringe starters are getting near $20M a year he isn't an albatross for a team in need of shooting. I swear it's like anything having yo do with the Knicks is so magnified and criticized and everybody is out to fleece us but I think that's a fair trade. Houston gets their guy, we get a Horns and Scott P (he had a part in drafting him in Detroit) approved young pg to serve as placeholder during the suckage while Frank busts him up in practice. Phx gets a legit shooting big and a youngish but capable rotation big in Kyle (who we would have to pony up for after this year) and Portland gets a B level project in Bender who's underwhelmed so far and cuts salary some.

I'm not sure how close I am with the salary or even Houston's pick situation but tell me why this is such a bad deal for all four teams.

[Billy Goat]

Unless he's injured or being a detrement to the team, the Knicks cannot bench him, without being ready to have the NBAPA file a lawsuit on Melo's behalf. Do people not realize NBA Player's have a union, and that union is pretty powerful?????

A lawsuit? lmfao.

My man, Melo is part of a Union. Do you not understand what means???

A labor union is an organization intended to represent the collective interests of workers in negotiations with employers over wages, hours, benefits and working conditions.

So again, if the Knicks bench Melo for no reason, and the man is healthy to play and isn't a detrement to the team, you better believe the NBAPA will get involved.

If the players union starts dictating players minutes youre looking at a lockout that never ends

[bigfnjoe96]

The union can't force a team to play someone. There's no chance whatsoever a lawsuit happens over this. I took a class this past year on labor law taught by someone who used to work with the MLBPA...there's no chance it goes to court. What would the case even be over? Knicks wouldn't be withholding salary.

I'm not a lawyer and we've discuss law before, but my guess is, the union would argue that the benching is hurting Melo's value once he leaves the team due them not playing him.

[Knicksfan1992]

Why does anyone want Brandon Knight back? You're better off keeping Melo and letting him expire then taking back a chit contract... Which is what it seems like Mills has put his foot down on.

[drekwins]

Well, Melo can still opt-in.

And Anderson's contract is terrible now, he has too many years and money, when he has a one year left - its just money. I think chances of moving him then are pretty high.

People forget that Anderson is still a decent player. He is not Mozgov.

Or... we could risk it and at worse, gain a year. If Melo opts in after all of this, he'd look like a fool and no one would feel bad for him. Anderson is not a good fit for our roster or cap. Idk why you want him so bad. It's a lateral move at best or a step back. The better move is to not take on unmoveable contracts.

With Melo there are two options:

He plays his usual ball this year (forget sitting back and letting young guys take charge), takes ~20 shots, scores ~22ppg, wins you some games purely on his skill, pushing you further in the lottery.

He decides to step back and takes a lesser role, but no freaking way he opts out of 30mil, after a year where his production dropped. So you get his 30mil for two more years.

With Anderson you get his 20 mil for three (worst scenario), he doesn't interfere with a rebuild, and you ALSO GOT 3 FIRST ROUND PICKS.

We're not getting 3 first round picks with Anderson. That has never been an option. Also, unlike most here, I think Melo helps the tank. He doesn't score well anymore. It takes a lot of shots for him to get his stats. He's terrible on D. Lastly, he doesn't hustle. So, I'm good with the Melo tank. He may make a game winner and give the illusion that he's ruining his tank, but that's all it is. In reality, he'll lose us and shoot us out of a lot of games as well.

[moocow007]

How about:
Melo to Hou

Harkless, B.Knight, Vonleah, Quarterman and (Hou) 2020 unprotected 1st round pick and a pick swap option in 2021 to NYK

Ryan Anderson, Kyle O'Quinn to Phx

Dragan Bender, Orinaku and cash to PDX

And if we want Bledsoe I'm sure Phx would ask for both pick considerations from Houston. Mills says "no" and Knight becomes our starting pg.

Ryan Anderson does not fit our timeline but the guy isn't useless and in a NBA where fringe starters are getting near $20M a year he isn't an albatross for a team in need of shooting. I swear it's like anything having yo do with the Knicks is so magnified and criticized and everybody is out to fleece us but I think that's a fair trade. Houston gets their guy, we get a Horns and Scott P (he had a part in drafting him in Detroit) approved young pg to serve as placeholder during the suckage while Frank busts him up in practice. Phx gets a legit shooting big and a youngish but capable rotation big in Kyle (who we would have to pony up for after this year) and Portland gets a B level project in Bender who's underwhelmed so far and cuts salary some.

I'm not sure how close I am with the salary or even Houston's pick situation but tell me why this is such a bad deal for all four teams.

I mean this would not be bad per se, but Brandon Knight is an absolutely ugly PG (I mean play wise, not physically). I'd almost rather get face sat on by a 400lb woman who hasn't showered in weeks than have to watch Brandon Knight pretend to be a PG for 80 games.

Sorry just not a Brandon Knight fan at all.

[KnicksFury]

If we end up taking either Anderson or Leonard, then we lost the trade.

Unless the Rockets give us two picks

[Billy Goat]

How is Melo not being mature? He has a NTC and is using it. Right now he is telling the Knicks I will play for Houston - Cleveland or the Knicks. That is the option PHILLIP gave him. He has every right to use it. Just like a club has every right to trade a player he doesn't want to go if that player doesn't have a NTC. Melo got the NTC so he is using it.

Sure. The Kbicks have also every right to bench him, not play him etc. We'll see how mature he is then I guess. This is only going to get messier....

And how mature would the organization that is supposedly looking to establish a "winning culture" look if they did that? This is the same line as those that supported Larry Brown when he was screwing things up intentionally. Sure it would have been nice to get rid of Thomas but it also sets a tone that you are no better than the one you are trying to get rid of.

Mills didnt give Melo the NTC. They want to move him. Melo isnt willing to move. Mills is only responsible for putting the best product on the floor. He's not responsbilbe for Melo- Phil did that.

[bigfnjoe96]

If the players union starts dictating players minutes youre looking at a lockout that never ends

Billy it's not really about his minutes, but about his value. They would probably argue we hurting his value by not playing him

[Knicksfan1992]

Sure. The Kbicks have also every right to bench him, not play him etc. We'll see how mature he is then I guess. This is only going to get messier....

Unless he's injured or being a detrement to the team, the Knicks cannot bench him, without being ready to have the NBAPA file a lawsuit on Melo's behalf. Do people not realize NBA Player's have a union, and that union is pretty powerful?????

The union can't force a team to play someone. There's no chance whatsoever a lawsuit happens over this. I took a class this past year on labor law taught by someone who used to work with the MLBPA...there's no chance it goes to court. What would the case even be over? Knicks wouldn't be withholding salary.

Only thing that may happen which I would be worried about is Silver coming down on us for intentionally throwing or tanking games...

[Billy Goat]

If the players union starts dictating players minutes youre looking at a lockout that never ends

Billy it's not really about his minutes, but about his value. They would probably argue we hurting his value by not playing him

The Knicks dont bear any responsibility for a players value

[NOOB77]

If Melo is here he will be starting and play around 30 minutes a night. Lee will be moved for a PG.
If Lee is here he will be starting and play around 30 minutes a night with Melo bringing back a PG.

They will not bench Melo that is stupid. They will play him less minutes and maybe sit him on B2B and maybe end of the 4th they will pull him out but they will not bench him.

[CANiLIVE]

top5 pick > 6-10 pick

If the knicks have no foundation it doesn't matter where they pick. There's teams that pick top 5 every year and still suck.

Why do you think that is.


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foundation = capspace?

Foundation = good young players, stable head coach, stable front office and a system, without any of that it don't matter where we pick.

That's why I don't get tanking, tanking in my eyes means losing on purpose making no moves, how can you get better as a franchise losing on purpose?

Praying you hit on a pick, the whole point of a draft is to get a player that fits your team, let them embrace the cluture and grow with the teammates.

Without that your throwing spit balls praying someone is lebron or Jordan.

One great player changing your whole culture as a team is rare ala lebron, Timmy, iverson

[moocow007]

Sure. The Kbicks have also every right to bench him, not play him etc. We'll see how mature he is then I guess. This is only going to get messier....

And how mature would the organization that is supposedly looking to establish a "winning culture" look if they did that? This is the same line as those that supported Larry Brown when he was screwing things up intentionally. Sure it would have been nice to get rid of Thomas but it also sets a tone that you are no better than the one you are trying to get rid of.

Mills didnt give Melo the NTC. They want to move him. Melo isnt willing to move. Mills is only responsible for putting the best product on the floor. He's not responsbilbe for Melo- Phil did that.

The Knicks organization is responsible for the stupid NTC that Anthony has. But even if Mills didn't give it to him doesn't mean that the Knicks can basically try to spite him (what's really happening here) for basically not giving them a way out of their own mistake. Anthony didn't give himself that NTC so punishing him for not basically doing the Knicks a favor by essentially undoing the NTC is a bit childish and petty.

[drekwins]

The union can't force a team to play someone. There's no chance whatsoever a lawsuit happens over this. I took a class this past year on labor law taught by someone who used to work with the MLBPA...there's no chance it goes to court. What would the case even be over? Knicks wouldn't be withholding salary.

I'm not a lawyer and we've discuss law before, but my guess is, the union would argue that the benching is hurting Melo's value once he leaves the team due them not playing him.

In that scenario, all bench players would have a case. A lot of players would have more value if they play more minutes lol They can't sue if it's in the best interest of the Knicks. If it's discrimatory towards Melo, they'd have a case... but playing young guys makes sense.

[duetta]

Knicks just need to be firm and steady. Anthony is a professional and the NBA is a business. His wife and kid are here. He wanted to be here.

Just play out the season, and make it his decision to opt out next summer.

[NBA Fan 1234]

The union can't force a team to play someone. There's no chance whatsoever a lawsuit happens over this. I took a class this past year on labor law taught by someone who used to work with the MLBPA...there's no chance it goes to court. What would the case even be over? Knicks wouldn't be withholding salary.

I'm not a lawyer and we've discuss law before, but my guess is, the union would argue that the benching is hurting Melo's value once he leaves the team due them not playing him.

No breach of contract, damages too speculative (how would one calculate value / wages lost?), and courts (for the most part) stay out of sports things and only get involved when it's absolutely necessary. I'm telling you, dude, there's no case here.

[NOOB77]

Sure. The Kbicks have also every right to bench him, not play him etc. We'll see how mature he is then I guess. This is only going to get messier....

And how mature would the organization that is supposedly looking to establish a "winning culture" look if they did that? This is the same line as those that supported Larry Brown when he was screwing things up intentionally. Sure it would have been nice to get rid of Thomas but it also sets a tone that you are no better than the one you are trying to get rid of.

Mills didnt give Melo the NTC. They want to move him. Melo isnt willing to move. Mills is only responsible for putting the best product on the floor. He's not responsbilbe for Melo- Phil did that.

Mills was the GM when Melo got the NTC.