2017 Nets Offseason Thread III

[Hello Brooklyn]

Why can't we just make an offer for Nerlens Noel?

His agent says hes unhappy with Dallas right now.

Hes a perfect fit for this team and fits a huge need.

I don't get why we don't sign him to an offer sheet.

Because he is a RFA? I don't think there is any chance that Dallas won't match based on how much money we can offer him now.

Obviously.

Doesn't mean we can't make an offer and try.

[Hello Brooklyn]

You're not getting Noel unless its a S+T. Mavs gave up Justin Anderson and a pick for him. You're not only giving him the max but you're giving up an asset. Noels agent knows that too, so he has to make sure that before Noel signs anything, that everything will work out smoothly for Noel. If noel signs a contract before things get sorted out, he shoots himself in the foot and risks putting himself into a potentially toxic situation (for him) in Dallas.

Well it seems like Dallas isn't willing to pay him what he wants.

I'm not convinced they would match a max offer.

Wizards also gave up a pick for Bogs and decided not to match him.

And Dallas only gave up a lottery protected First. Who knows when that will actually convey.

Why not go for it?

What do we have to lose?

[Prokorov]

You're not getting Noel unless its a S+T. Mavs gave up Justin Anderson and a pick for him. You're not only giving him the max but you're giving up an asset. Noels agent knows that too, so he has to make sure that before Noel signs anything, that everything will work out smoothly for Noel. If noel signs a contract before things get sorted out, he shoots himself in the foot and risks putting himself into a potentially toxic situation (for him) in Dallas.

Well it seems like Dallas isn't willing to pay him what he wants.

I'm not convinced they would match a max offer.

Wizards also gave up a pick for Bogs and decided not to match him.

And Dallas only gave up a lottery protected First. Who knows when that will actually convey.

Why not go for it?

What do we have to lose?

I mean... "dallas might match" is not a reason to not offer him a deal... and i mean we have given out 4 other offersheets and had them matched. we dont need the cap room for any other move so having it tied up is also a non issue.

throw him the deal, if they match they match

[vincecarter4pres]

I really don't know if I see the point in offering Noel a big contract when we just drafted Allen and have Mozgov under contract. I completely understand Soul Glo is years away from being an impactful rotation player, let alone starter and I get Mozgov is mediocre bench fodder who was simply contractual baggage which was required to facilitate the Russell deal. But unless you're convinced Noel is a long term big minute starter, what is the point in adding another similar big though, especially with Allen here?

[Ror1997]

You're not getting Noel unless its a S+T. Mavs gave up Justin Anderson and a pick for him. You're not only giving him the max but you're giving up an asset. Noels agent knows that too, so he has to make sure that before Noel signs anything, that everything will work out smoothly for Noel. If noel signs a contract before things get sorted out, he shoots himself in the foot and risks putting himself into a potentially toxic situation (for him) in Dallas.

Well it seems like Dallas isn't willing to pay him what he wants.

I'm not convinced they would match a max offer.

Wizards also gave up a pick for Bogs and decided not to match him.

And Dallas only gave up a lottery protected First. Who knows when that will actually convey.

Why not go for it?

What do we have to lose?

Can't compare him to Washington letting Bogs walk. Washington acquired Bogs as a rental and unloaded a contract in that deal. They finished 4th in the east. Bogs is 28.

Mavs finished 11th, and Noel is 23. I think if teams really believe Noel could be stolen for a Max, it would've been done by now. Its not even up to us, its up to Noel and his agent. They're not going to sign anything unless they know the end result.

We don't have anything to lose. Noel does. I'm not arguing to not give him a deal, I'm just saying Noel isn't signing a deal just because its in front of him.

[spaceballer]

Why can't we just make an offer for Nerlens Noel?

His agent says hes unhappy with Dallas right now.

Hes a perfect fit for this team and fits a huge need.

I don't get why we don't sign him to an offer sheet.

Because he is a RFA? I don't think there is any chance that Dallas won't match based on how much money we can offer him now.

we can offer him close to his max.

with the room exception and waiving the last few non gauranteed guys we can start him at about 21.5 with annual increases

The room mid-level exception is only $4.328M for the 2017-2018 season. That is nowhere near his max. I am sure his max is more than $4M per yr.

Exceptions (of any type) cannot be combined with free cap space to offer a larger single aggregate contract.

[ChokeFasncists]

OK, so it's over, no Crabbe, no TJ; no Porter, no KCP.

I would like to get KCP but I'm also glad that he's not coming cuz it means more pt for guys like Goodwin, iHead and DVD.

But with DAR and DMC this team is much better, one backcourt, one frontcourt, Moz at center as well.

Wanted Ilyasova, he's gone now. I guess Mark has faith in Acy and DMC?

How many are on the roster tho?

Maybe get KJ back?

Would be interesting if Marks would use that cap to get more. Aldrich?

Lets hope Nicholson can contribute, Jar is a must as well

we are at 17.

I was thinking more like 15 or 16.

Well, I guess that's one reason Marks hasn't been doing much in the free agency

1. Lin
2. DRuss
3. DVD
4. iHead
5. LVJ
6. SKil
7. Goodwin
8. JHar
9. DMC
10. RHJ
11. Acy
12. Booker
13. Nicholson
14. Moz
15. Jar

Who else? Vezenkov, Foye, KJ? There's probably no space for them?

So, I guess these 15 could be it. Perhaps this is one reason Marks wanted the picks + DMC for JHam swap over signing KCP?

[ChokeFasncists]

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-mavericks/mavericks/2017/07/18/agent-noel-disappointed-negotiations-stand-mavericks

Hmm. What are the odds the Mavs pull a SVG-KCP and rescind the QO making Noel an UFA then having us signing him due to our available cap space?

~lol~ Highly doubtful.

Best case probably Noel gets pissed and takes the qualifying offer then we can sign him next off season.

Mavs are gonna match anything, they're just being cheap

Noel is not a good shooter, health iffy, we've got Jar now. Perhaps Marks want to sign a big FA next season? Or get another salary dump deal that gets a guy like DRuss again?

[TheBrooklynKidd]

The Nets need to find a way to be the 3rd team in a Ryan Anderson trade. I think he would fit the team perfectly, but only if we're able to move Carroll and Nicholsons deals.

Something like this:
Rockets Trade: Ryan Anderson, Hartenstein, 2019 1st, 2018 2nd, Zhou Qi and their minimum contract pu put platter.
Rockets Get: Carmelo Anthony, Andrew Nicholson

Nets trade: Carroll, Nicholson (12 mill less than Andersons total)
Nets Get: Anderson, Hartenstein, left over from minimum contract pu pu platter.

Knicks Get: Demarre Carroll, 2019 Rockets 1st, 2nd, Zhou Qi and first choice of Min Contract pupu platter.
Knicks Trade: Carmelo Anthony

According to the trade machine it works if done after the trade restrictions on Jared Uthoff and Zhou Qi expire on August 28th.

noooooo thank you.

we dont need more bigs who dont defend or rebound. we got rid of brook, no need to add the PF version of lopez.

Seriously that trade is trash, why in the world would the Nets want any of that return? I don't want the Nets to be in anyway involved with Anderson's contract unless we get Knicks/Rockets first rounders unprotected.

Because we would be dumping carroll and Nicholsons contracts for a better player and a prospect but I digress. It was met with unanimous disapproval by the Nets board. It was my attempt at getting in on the Melodrama. I guess we would need the Rockets 2022 1st rounder added to our side to make it work.

[vincecarter4pres]

If Cleveland would deal Love for Melo, I'd still be really happy if Marks dealt RHJ/Goodwin/Booker/Nicholsen for him. Especially if Nerlens takes the QO and is unrestricted next summer.

Next year you still have about $25 million in cap with Lin re-signed to an $18 million a year deal.

IDK about you guys, but barring a miracle of signing Paul George or Lebron James, or trading for Kawhi Leonard or a top 5 draft pick to get the next Durant, I'm fine with a 1,2,3 of Lin/Russell/LeVert, Love at the 4 and a combo of Noel/Mozgov/Allen at the 5. Bench of Dinwiddie/Skil/Whitehead/FA power forward.

Pretty exciting young core with 2 in their prime stud vets.

Edit: Damn it, forgot about Carroll taking up another 15.4 million bucks in cap. Maybe Lin takes a deal starting at 15, leaving around $14 mill in cap space. Can still make a pretty damn good signing with that.

PG: Lin/Dinwiddie/LeVert
SG: Russell/Skil/Whitehead
SF: LeVert/Carroll/Whitehead
PF: Love/Carroll
C: Mozgov/Allen

Add the Raptors pick, the Pacers 2nd, the 2nd from the Carroll trade and cap space in the $11 to $15 million range. Or Lin opts out and leaves and we have max-ish cap space depending on years in the league.

Still love it, big pun semi-intended

[Ror1997]

Carroll isn't a guy they're immediately looking to move. 2 years left on his deal...Its not bad. Plus next year He's an expiring so that "bad contract" tag disappears.

[Prokorov]

noooooo thank you.

we dont need more bigs who dont defend or rebound. we got rid of brook, no need to add the PF version of lopez.

Seriously that trade is trash, why in the world would the Nets want any of that return? I don't want the Nets to be in anyway involved with Anderson's contract unless we get Knicks/Rockets first rounders unprotected.

Because we would be dumping carroll and Nicholsons contracts for a better player and a prospect but I digress. It was met with unanimous disapproval by the Nets board. It was my attempt at getting in on the Melodrama. I guess we would need the Rockets 2022 1st rounder added to our side to make it work.

I dont think anderson is the better player or the better contract. I think carroll is better, a better fit, and i think andersons contract is worse... i mean he is owed 3/60. thats twice what carroll is due and 1 more year. for a guy who doesnt defend, rebound, ro contribute on offense outside of threes.

it would take alot more then the rockets 2022 pick. id need the knicks first with light or no protection

[Prokorov]

If Cleveland would deal Love for Melo, I'd still be really happy if Marks dealt RHJ/Goodwin/Booker/Nicholsen for him. Especially if Nerlens takes the QO and is unrestricted next summer.

Next year you still have about $25 million in cap with Lin re-signed to an $18 million a year deal.

IDK about you guys, but barring a miracle of signing Paul George or Lebron James, or trading for Kawhi Leonard or a top 5 draft pick to get the next Durant, I'm fine with a 1,2,3 of Lin/Russell/LeVert, Love at the 4 and a combo of Noel/Mozgov/Allen at the 5. Bench of Dinwiddie/Skil/Whitehead/FA power forward.

Pretty exciting young core with 2 in their prime stud vets.

Edit: Damn it, forgot about Carroll taking up another 15.4 million bucks in cap. Maybe Lin takes a deal starting at 15, leaving around $14 mill in cap space. Can still make a pretty damn good signing with that.

PG: Lin/Dinwiddie/LeVert
SG: Russell/Skil/Whitehead
SF: LeVert/Carroll/Whitehead
PF: Love/Carroll
C: Mozgov/Allen

Add the Raptors pick, the Pacers 2nd, the 2nd from the Carroll trade and cap space in the $11 to $15 million range. Or Lin opts out and leaves and we have max-ish cap space depending on years in the league.

Still love it, big pun semi-intended

i dont see the upside to love. its just like having lopez here... doesnt fit the timeline longterm and doesnt add wins short term

[MrDollarBills]

Wow I didn't know you guys were so unified against Ryan Anderson. I thought he would be a great fit as a 40+ 3pt shooter and a big upgrade over Carroll and Nicholson for only 15 mill more in 2019-20 while saving money in the 2 years before. But I guess not.

I'd rather we have bigs that can defend personally.

This is another reason why i'd want nothing to do with Kevin Love either.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Seriously that trade is trash, why in the world would the Nets want any of that return? I don't want the Nets to be in anyway involved with Anderson's contract unless we get Knicks/Rockets first rounders unprotected.

Because we would be dumping carroll and Nicholsons contracts for a better player and a prospect but I digress. It was met with unanimous disapproval by the Nets board. It was my attempt at getting in on the Melodrama. I guess we would need the Rockets 2022 1st rounder added to our side to make it work.

I dont think anderson is the better player or the better contract. I think carroll is better, a better fit, and i think andersons contract is worse... i mean he is owed 3/60. thats twice what carroll is due and 1 more year. for a guy who doesnt defend, rebound, ro contribute on offense outside of threes.

it would take alot more then the rockets 2022 pick. id need the knicks first with light or no protection

I strongly disagree I think Carroll is garbage and Anderson is one of the best stretch bigs in the league. Carroll doesn't contribute to the offense outside of 3s, rebound or defend well anymore either. And Carroll doesn't even shoot anywhere near 40% from 3. There really is no basis for current Demarre Carroll being better than current Ryan Anderson. I also strongly disagree that Carroll is a better fit.

I understand the worries about Andersons contract, however if we give up Carroll and Nicholson like in the deal I suggested then his contract will only be 12 mill more in total, which a Houston 1st totally makes up for especially if Hartenstein is added as well.

But we can agree to disagree.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Wow I didn't know you guys were so unified against Ryan Anderson. I thought he would be a great fit as a 40+ 3pt shooter and a big upgrade over Carroll and Nicholson for only 15 mill more in 2019-20 while saving money in the 2 years before. But I guess not.

I'd rather we have bigs that can defend personally.

This is another reason why i'd want nothing to do with Kevin Love either.

Of course, so would anyone.

But Nicholson has never been a good defender and Demarre isn't a good defender anymore either which is all you're giving up here for 12 mill more of Anderson plus Hartenstein. I think if Houston throws in a 1st then we have to pull the trigger.

[MrDollarBills]

Wow I didn't know you guys were so unified against Ryan Anderson. I thought he would be a great fit as a 40+ 3pt shooter and a big upgrade over Carroll and Nicholson for only 15 mill more in 2019-20 while saving money in the 2 years before. But I guess not.

im not sure he is an upgrade over caroll. Anderson was statistically one of the worst defenders in the league each of the last 3 seaons. he is nearly as bad a rebounder as lopez. he really does nothing other then shoot threes. and is a negative in most other areas.

on top of that, he makes tons.

to me carroll, booker, acy, and RHJ are all better PF options

Yeah.

People want the Nets to win games, the only way we'll win is if we play defense. that is what killed us in most of our games last year. in the 4th qtr, we had a glaring defensive liability in Lopez.

Center and PF need to be able to get out and defend on switches. This is why I don't care that RHJ is about 15 lbs away from where he needs to be. he will make defensive plays.

Ryan Anderson...Kevin Love...those are names. Names that come with bad defense. no thank you. I can deal with a guard that can't defend, but we cannot have trash defense from frontcourt guys.

[Vae Victus]

The main upside of Love is that he can be spun off for more assets than it took to get him in the 1st place.

He's still a "name" and if the team is REALLY lucky he can be used as as lure to get a real impact FA to come on board.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Wow I didn't know you guys were so unified against Ryan Anderson. I thought he would be a great fit as a 40+ 3pt shooter and a big upgrade over Carroll and Nicholson for only 15 mill more in 2019-20 while saving money in the 2 years before. But I guess not.

im not sure he is an upgrade over caroll. Anderson was statistically one of the worst defenders in the league each of the last 3 seaons. he is nearly as bad a rebounder as lopez. he really does nothing other then shoot threes. and is a negative in most other areas.

on top of that, he makes tons.

to me carroll, booker, acy, and RHJ are all better PF options

Yeah.

People want the Nets to win games, the only way we'll win is if we play defense. that is what killed us in most of our games last year. in the 4th qtr, we had a glaring defensive liability in Lopez.

Center and PF need to be able to get out and defend on switches. This is why I don't care that RHJ is about 15 lbs away from where he needs to be. he will make defensive plays.

Ryan Anderson...Kevin Love...those are names. Names that come with bad defense. no thank you. I can deal with a guard that can't defend, but we cannot have trash defense from frontcourt guys.

Understandable but it's about Anderson vs Carrol/Nicholson. RHJ would still be on the team and the Rockets won 50 games with "names that come with bad defense" Ryan Anderson would give us way more than he would take away.

Also Kevin Love is never happening it's a waste of energy to talk about him.

[Netaman]

On one of the podcasts one of the NBA insiders insinuated the Nets did their homework on Noel and didn't like what they heard so they decided to not go for him. Sounds like he's getting frustrated with the Mavs, so I imagine there's no reason why we wouldn't go after him if we liked him at all.