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Re: ATL - KCP to Lakers, one year/$18mm pg. 34 

Post#881 » by crkone » Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:50 pm

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/7/18/15985262/nba-two-way-contract-2017-summer-league-agents-worried-about-them

Why a two way contract doesn't make sense for some players...

But it’s not the perfect solution it may seem
For one, it’s still less than many players could make overseas.

But the other reason agents are wary of two-way contracts is that it restricts the player’s freedom of movement. Players who once could be called up by 30 different NBA teams now are linked exclusively with just one — and on a limited basis, at that.

Sure, there are technically 60 more players in the NBA. But it will only be at a specific team’s discretion, with no lateral movement until the contract is up. Before, the G-League’s most convincing selling point was how easily any player could be called up for a 10-day tryout. That goes away for players who sign two-way contracts.

“There’s good and there’s bad,” one agent who recently had a client sign a two-way contract told me. “On one hand, when teams are looking to make call-ups, you’re locked into the one team. But on the other, if the team really likes you, you have to do anything you can to get your foot in the door.”

It’s no surprise that the G-League loves the new structure

For those in the G-League, the two-way contract is an excellent new tool that should result in a talent influx, at least in some manner.

“It cements in place the opportunity to have guys in a development situation where they really are connected to the NBA organization and affiliate organization,” Kent Lacob, general manager of the Santa Cruz Warriors, told me. “It really provides more synergy and opportunity for guys to be integrated into both. I think that aids in the development of not just improving as a player, but specifically catered to the system, and the culture, and the team that they’re with.”

Likewise, Rio Grande Valley Vipers head coach Matt Brase told me he sees the two-way contract as an “awesome” new addition.

“The biggest thing is the league gets better,” Brase said. “I just think it’s good that we’re getting people toward the baseball minor league system where you’re bringing guys up the way you want to bring them up. I think that’s important, too, for players to have some stability. If you’re in a certain situation and learning that system, and you get a chance at the NBA level, you're comfortable.”

Brase brought up Gary Payton II, who played for the Vipers last year, as a player who could have been retained on a two-way deal had he signed with the Rockets organization this summer instead of the last one.

“We (would have been able) to keep him in the system,” Brase said. “Gary is a great system fit for us, the way he played.”

But Payton’s situation actually underscores some agents’ fears
Since Payton wasn’t protected by the Rockets, he signed with the Milwaukee Bucks in early April. He played six games with them, making $35,166, plus playoff bonuses. He remains under contract with the Bucks, albeit with a non-guaranteed deal.

However, if Payton can make the team next season, he’s in line to receive more than $1.3 million. (His contract will fully guarantee on Jan. 10, and Milwaukee has an open roster spot as of July 18.) Without his late-season addition to Milwaukee, the team may not have brought him back this year or handed him the starting point guard keys in Summer League.

That addition was only possible because Payton had autonomy to sign with any team rather than being tied into the Rockets.

“If your goal is to play in the G-League and you want to have the freedom of movement, then yeah, maybe it does make sense to have freedom of movement in signing instead,” Lacob said.

One agent suggested to me that the top G-League players — those who make the G-League All-Star team and those who have been considered “call-up candidates” on a year-round basis — won’t sign two-way deals. Among the two-way deals signed or reported so far, that seems accurate. Only one player listed on the G-League’s “Top-25 Prospect Watch” from last season has signed a two-way deal (Josh Magette at No. 19).

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Re: ATL - KCP to Lakers, one year/$18mm pg. 34 

Post#882 » by Baddy Chuck » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:50 pm

Willie Reed for 1.5 million. Nice deal for the Clipps.
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Post#883 » by blazza18 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:57 pm

Free agents have got to be pissed they weren't playing in Milwaukee before getting paid.
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Re: ATL - KCP to Lakers, one year/$18mm pg. 34 

Post#884 » by Chuck Diesel » Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:16 am

crkone wrote:https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/7/18/15985262/nba-two-way-contract-2017-summer-league-agents-worried-about-them

Why a two way contract doesn't make sense for some players...



That fails to mention the four guys who have already turned town or opted out of more money in Europe to sign two waycontracts. Also neglects to point out the benefit getting your foot in the NBA door has on future earnings, given that the minimum salaries rise depending on years of service, which could be as little as one game played. If you're on a two way deal you're more likely to play an NBA game than someone in the general pool of available players.

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Everything will trickle down too, so more NBA caliber guys than usual will be having to weigh last minute China, European or D-league deals. That's where having those two ways open could really come in handy for both the player and team's books (two ways don't count on the cap). So we're sitting here with Bronson **** Koening taking up one of those valuable spots when there are guaranteed to be actual NBA players looking for a two way deal in September and October.
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Re: ATL - KCP to Lakers, one year/$18mm pg. 34 

Post#885 » by James1980 » Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:39 am

Lebron definitely wanted Tristan Thompson re-signed.

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Post#886 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:05 pm

The media is already buying into the narrative of poor Lebron not getting any help from the front office:

4. Cavaliers (51-31). LeBron James is right to be frustrated. Letting go of David Griffin still makes no sense (even though interim GM Koby Altman can do the job) and it feels like the walls could be crumbling on this powerhouse. While other teams got better, the Cavs treaded water. True, they were aggressive going after Paul George and Carmelo Anthony, but they whiffed. Instead, their moves are re-signing Kyle Korver, bringing in Jeff Green and Cedi Osman (from Turkey). How did their wing defense get better? So long as they have LeBron James, the Cavs are the best team in the East when healthy, but the gap has narrowed.
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Post#887 » by HurricaneKid » Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:33 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:The media is already buying into the narrative of poor Lebron not getting any help from the front office:

4. Cavaliers (51-31). LeBron James is right to be frustrated. Letting go of David Griffin still makes no sense (even though interim GM Koby Altman can do the job) and it feels like the walls could be crumbling on this powerhouse. While other teams got better, the Cavs treaded water. True, they were aggressive going after Paul George and Carmelo Anthony, but they whiffed. Instead, their moves are re-signing Kyle Korver, bringing in Jeff Green and Cedi Osman (from Turkey). How did their wing defense get better? So long as they have LeBron James, the Cavs are the best team in the East when healthy, but the gap has narrowed.


Are you suggesting he has had help from the FO this offseason?

Griffin was in the middle of negotiations to turn Love into PG13 when he was let go, just weeks after Gilbert refused to allow him to interview with Milw and Orl. The Warriors bought an early second to get Bell while the Cavs didn't (and still don't) have a GM. The Warriors sign Casspi and Swaggy with their exceptions while the Cavs got Jeff Green with theirs.

I don't understand how you could say they aren't much further behind today than they were 6 weeks ago during the Finals. And yes, that is ALL related to Gilbert. The Warriors didn't have any picks or any more money to woo FAs.
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Re: ATL - KCP to Lakers, one year/$18mm pg. 34 

Post#888 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:11 pm

Not suggesting anything, just pointing out that he's the biggest reason why their roster is such a mess in the first place. The Warriors also, believe it or not, weren't as capped out as the Cavs currently are before Durant and Curry signed their extensions (which is why they were able to sign Iguodala and Livingston). What exactly were the Cavs supposed to do other than what they did? Go out and find more fat Deron Williams type "name" players for the vet minimum to appease Lebron? They have zero cap or tax room and zero assets to use in trades.

Don't get me wrong, Dan Gilbert is a **** owner and firing Griffin was dumb as hell, but I'm surprised anyone is buying this "Cavs were gonna magically turn their scraps into PG13 before they canned their GM" stuff. This is all stuff intentionally put out there by Lebron and Rich Paul for the sake of shifting the blame away from him and his, at this point, pretty blatant front office meddling. He's done this before (see: holding out to sign his contract until they paid Tristan Thompson).

And now with the rumors that KCP only signed a 1-year deal because it was partly negotiated between Rich Paul and Magic (with the obvious undertones of preserving cap room in 2018 to pursue a certain "other" client who would mutually benefit from this arrangement), Lebron to LA (or at the least, leaving Cleveland) almost seems like a formality at this point.
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Re: ATL - KCP to Lakers, one year/$18mm pg. 34 

Post#889 » by FlagsFlyForever » Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:43 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Not suggesting anything, just pointing out that he's the biggest reason why their roster is such a mess in the first place.

They're coming off three straight Finals appearances and are the heavy favorites to win the East again this season. I don't see how this is a "mess". Everybody knew (especially Gilbert) what the Cavs were getting themselves into when LeBron returned. It's not like LeBron said "now that I'm here, I'm going to hold the franchise hostage unless you meet my demands". The Cavs are paying a hefty repeater tax because that was the agreement between Gilbert and LeBron before LeBron ever signed with Cleveland. If Gilbert didn't agree to that, he wouldn't have LeBron right now and we'd be talking about how the Heat are aiming for their 8th straight Finals appearance.
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Post#890 » by lvckv » Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:19 am

Lillard and McCollum seem to be talking up Carmelo to the Blazers.

However unlikely, that would be real fun. The horrible Rockets would get shafted and seeing their fans react would be awesome.

Plus the Blazers would be legit - they were playing .600 ball (14-6, beat Spurs x2, Utah, Houston) after getting Nurkic mid-season.
Their defense went from 27th before to 9th with him (I think he's MIP next year).
Imagine them after a full pre-season, with Melo on top? They should be fighting for the 3-4-5 seeds.
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Post#891 » by brettski » Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:24 am

Imagine the defense played in a Houston vs Portland series with Melo in the mix.. Games would score 280 points combined.
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Post#892 » by Nowak008 » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:00 am

Why is Zach Lowe and NBA Twitter trashing the Knicks resigning Ron Baker? Think I might rather have him than Delly... and if u factor in their contracts it isn't even close.
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Post#893 » by brettski » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:04 am

Nowak008 wrote:Why is Zach Lowe and NBA Twitter trashing the Knicks resigning Ron Baker? Think I might rather have him than Delly... and if u factor in their contracts it isn't even close.


Listened to a pod cast on this today. One of the main reasons is that they bid against themselves (sound familiar??) he was an RFA but they resigned him at 12.01 at the start of free agency.
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Post#894 » by Nowak008 » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:07 am

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Nowak008 wrote:Why is Zach Lowe and NBA Twitter trashing the Knicks resigning Ron Baker? Think I might rather have him than Delly... and if u factor in their contracts it isn't even close.


Listened to a pod cast on this today. One of the main reasons is that they bid against themselves (sound familiar??) he was an RFA but they resigned him at 12.01 at the start of free agency.


2 years 9 mil? That is hardly not worth getting up and arms about. Much rather have him than Derrick Rose.
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Post#895 » by trwi7 » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:12 am

I mean, other than Hayward going to the Celtics, who improved in the East? They're still the heavy favorites to come out of the East and they're only going to have to play one of the teams from the West that improved, so I don't really think other teams improving really means much in this case since almost all of it came from outside the Eastern Conference.
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Post#896 » by Badgerlander » Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:41 pm

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Post#897 » by machu46 » Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:55 pm

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How many roster spots do the Celtics have? They have like 10 new players this year.
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Post#898 » by Badgerlander » Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:34 pm

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How many roster spots do the Celtics have? They have like 10 new players this year.


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Post#899 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:34 pm

Is Shane Larkin really worth cutting yet another one of your draft picks for?
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Post#900 » by HurricaneKid » Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:12 pm

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Nowak008 wrote:Why is Zach Lowe and NBA Twitter trashing the Knicks resigning Ron Baker? Think I might rather have him than Delly... and if u factor in their contracts it isn't even close.


Listened to a pod cast on this today. One of the main reasons is that they bid against themselves (sound familiar??) he was an RFA but they resigned him at 12.01 at the start of free agency.


2 years 9 mil? That is hardly not worth getting up and arms about. Much rather have him than Derrick Rose.


The second year is a PO. I think that is what doesn't make a lot of sense. If someone else had signed him it would have had to have been a multiyear deal.
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