Melo Trade Thread - Sorry Melo, these are the breaks

[dakomish23]

Im not sure why the Knicks expect to get assets and cap space in this trade. I thought people wanted to take on bad contracts for assets and here we are not doing it.

You know why. We have shown time and again that we value cap space & free agency over asset acquisition.

[Wolfgang630]

you guys always make this so personal. melo was a very good player. he got older and the knicks are rebuilding. the knicks want him to go and he would finally like to go now to. they just can't find a trade that works. the end.

It can't be that simple. Not in this fan base.

I don't know if you can call a group of people who I'm sure of haven't watched many full games in the last few years, cheer for the team to lose every year for a lottery ticket and hate on every move they make a "fan base"........

Yeah people like Hinkie who made sure his team tanked and lost games must've not been a fan of the Sixers....

[xsaberx]

[whocares1]

Im not sure why the Knicks expect to get assets and cap space in this trade. I thought people wanted to take on bad contracts for assets and here we are not doing it.

You know why. We have shown time and again that we value cap space & free agency over asset acquisition.

It's not even just the Knicks. Everyone here expects the Knicks to get no long term contracts AND a multitude of assets for Melo. That's just not realistic at all. What's the obsession for cap space when no one significant wants to play here?

[K_ick_God]

Even if he agreed to do it, why would you as a franchise do it? LFT is not the answer.

If they had a good prospect, that's a different story. Till then just run the normal squad as is and rebuild his trade value.

Let's play Melo 40 minutes, suffer through another year of standing still* and getting wolloped, because we need to rebuild Melo's trade value ... which means trading Melo for a bad contract and top-15 protected pick.**

An idea that every Knicks fan with common sense should get behind or they're insane.
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*Literally and figuratively.
**Literally.

Rebuild the value and your leverage. That's logical. I didn't say play him 40 minutes. I didn't say try to make the playoffs.

You are so desperate to get rid of Melo that you do not care if the trade puts us in a worse position. Those type of transactions are part of the reason we are where we are right now.

You said you'd be fine to pay him to stay home.

That's going to net you a better return?

Then you talk about common sense?

Cmon man.

You're undervaluing what Turning the Page could mean to this team.

You're overvaluing protected picks.

You're undervaluing the odds that Melo could play, be kind of terrible and/or hurt.

You're undervaluing that there are two teams that really want him. At least two. Those teams could also make trades and move on. Or just win some games and feel good about themselves. They're both good teams.

You're also undervaluing that every day is one day closer to the time that Melo can opt out.

You're likely not getting an unprotected pick for him and it's pretty clear the Knicks don't want old bad players on big contracts -- they said as much at the presser, and they're not going back on that, especially not right away.

So pretty much this has no chance of happening. Melo is likely not coming back, if he does it will be in a diminished role, and no role will rebuild his value either at all or to the point where you get something of significant value that you couldn't get right now or soon.

[Polk377]

It can't be that simple. Not in this fan base.

I don't know if you can call a group of people who I'm sure of haven't watched many full games in the last few years, cheer for the team to lose every year for a lottery ticket and hate on every move they make a "fan base"........

Yeah people like Hinkie who made sure his team tanked and lost games must've not been a fan of the Sixers....

Running a Ponzi Scheme against your own fan base like Hinkie did was disgraceful. You understand that they were literally stealing money from paying fans right? Why do you think the NBA stepped in and forced Bryan Colangelo to take control of basketball operations? Please feel free to go cheer for the Sixers.

[dakomish23]

Let's play Melo 40 minutes, suffer through another year of standing still* and getting wolloped, because we need to rebuild Melo's trade value ... which means trading Melo for a bad contract and top-15 protected pick.**

An idea that every Knicks fan with common sense should get behind or they're insane.
________
*Literally and figuratively.
**Literally.

Rebuild the value and your leverage. That's logical. I didn't say play him 40 minutes. I didn't say try to make the playoffs.

You are so desperate to get rid of Melo that you do not care if the trade puts us in a worse position. Those type of transactions are part of the reason we are where we are right now.

You said you'd be fine to pay him to stay home.

That's going to net you a better return?

Then you talk about common sense?

Cmon man.

You're undervaluing what Turning the Page could mean to this team.

You're overvaluing protected picks.

You're undervaluing the odds that Melo could play, be kind of terrible and/or hurt.

You're undervaluing that there are two teams that really want him. At least two. Those teams could also make trades and move on. Or just win some games and feel good about themselves. They're both good teams.

You're also undervaluing that every day is one day closer to the time that Melo can opt out.

You're likely not getting an unprotected pick for him and it's pretty clear the Knicks don't want old bad players on big contracts -- they said as much at the presser, and they're not going back on that, especially not right away.

So pretty much this has no chance of happening. Melo is likely not coming back, if he does it will be in a diminished role, and no role will rebuild his value either at all or to the point where you get something of significant value that you couldn't get right now or soon.

I want to turn the page.

I can't believe you or anyone is still ignorant about how important asset acquisition is after years of ever having assets. Even a protected, likely lower pick is an asset.

If he gets hurt he doesn't play and your fantasy becomes reality.

Those two teams could also struggle and be more motivated to acquire Melo.

If he opts out, once again, you're fantasy is turning into reality.

Nobody is giving out unprotected picks. CLE who's going to the finals didn't. NOP didnt for DMC.

Him playing well, even in the diminished role you assume would happen, raises his value. It does not lower it.

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I want to trade him for things that will help the rebuild. You want him gone at all costs.

One is the logical way to run a franchise. One is not.

[dakomish23]

Im not sure why the Knicks expect to get assets and cap space in this trade. I thought people wanted to take on bad contracts for assets and here we are not doing it.

You know why. We have shown time and again that we value cap space & free agency over asset acquisition.

It's not even just the Knicks. Everyone here expects the Knicks to get no long term contracts AND a multitude of assets for Melo. That's just not realistic at all. What's the obsession for cap space when no one significant wants to play here?

I agree. Take back Anderson and get more assets for doing so. Forget about FA for a few years. Focus on development. Then when the time comes for you to go shopping, you will have a young group in place that's ready to win and have extra assets to help get you those pieces.

[malik959]

http://nypost.com/2017/07/18/carmelo-doesnt-want-to-talk-to-knicks-just-be-traded/

According to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski, who commented on the Knicks’ situation during a “SportsCenter” appearance Tuesday morning, Anthony “has made it clear to [the Knicks]: I want to go to Houston. I am not interested in talking to you about being reincorporated back into this New York roster.”

Can we end this already and move on please!

[Da_Mane_Man]

http://nypost.com/2017/07/18/carmelo-doesnt-want-to-talk-to-knicks-just-be-traded/

According to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski, who commented on the Knicks’ situation during a “SportsCenter” appearance Tuesday morning, Anthony “has made it clear to [the Knicks]: I want to go to Houston. I am not interested in talking to you about being reincorporated back into this New York roster.”

Can we end this already and move on please!

He's gonna change his mind. Stay Me7o.





jk, gtfo melo.

[SoCalKnickFan]

I feel sorry for ryan Anderson if he becomes a knick. I get the feeling he'll be hated pretty much from the jump.

[taj2133]

frank isola thinks melo still goes to houston

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Despite front office shake-up, Knicks are still set on trading Carmelo Anthony to the Rockets

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Carmelo Anthony's days in New York appear to be numbered.
Carmelo Anthony's days in New York appear to be numbered. (AL BELLO/GETTY IMAGES)
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FRANK ISOLA
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Updated: Tuesday, July 18, 2017, 7:33 PM
The Knicks remain as committed as Carmelo Anthony to finalizing a deal that would send the All Star forward to the Houston Rockets.

According to a league source, new Knicks president Steve Mills informed Anthony's representatives last week that the team wanted to wait until after introducing Scott Perry as general manager before addressing Anthony's future.

The Daily News reported last Friday that Anthony's intentions are to leave New York despite the front office shake-up.

It appears that the idea of the Knicks trying to convince Anthony to stay in New York were overblown. Mills wants to rebuild and the thought of having a 33-year-old Anthony on the roster doesn't make sense. Moreover, the Knicks got Anthony to agree to waive his no-trade clause to facilitate a deal. Keeping him on the roster would not be ideal for either the Knicks or Anthony.

Carmelo not part of Knicks' long-term plans, buyout not an option
The parameters for a deal are already in place but the final stumbling block is finding a third team to take Ryan Anderson, who is owed $60 million over the next three years.

The Rockets have tried to recruit the Portland Trail Blazers as a trading partner. In that scenario former St. John's forward Mo Harkless would be traded to the Knicks.

Back page of the New York Daily News for July 13, 2017.
Back page of the New York Daily News for July 13, 2017. (NEW YORK DAILY NEWS)
The Blazers have resisted and according to ESPN, Portland would prefer to acquire Anthony for themselves as opposed to helping a conference rival. Trail Blazers shooting guard C.J. McCollum has even taken it upon himself to recruit Anthony on Instagram. The Knicks would be willing to deal directly with Portland but Anthony has said he'd only agree to a trade with Houston and Cleveland.

Perry was hired last week and with Mills saying that he will give the new general manager the authority to run the day to day operations of the club it made sense to delay a potential trade. Mills had already signed restricted free agents Tim Hardaway Jr. and Ron Baker before hiring Perry.

C.J. McCollum recruits Carmelo Anthony to Portland on Instagram
Completing a blockbuster trade before naming Perry gives off the impression that Mills — and only Mills — is calling the shots. On Monday, Mills went to great lengths to project a united front office.

He also left open the possibility of Anthony playing for the Knicks next season but he was far from effusive when he addressed that scenario.

"I think we will be a good developing team if Carmelo is part of the team," Mills said. "We'll be a good developing team if he isn't. We'll be in constant communication with Carmelo and his camp, and we'll come to some resolution that works well for both us."

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Knicks president Steve Mills and new GM Scott Perry are working to ship Anthony to the Rockets. (JULIE JACOBSON/AP)
Anthony and his agent, Leon Rose, have been laying low since reports surfaced of Anthony pushing for a trade to the Rockets.

It’s time for the disappointing Knicks-Carmelo marriage to end
As much as Mills wants to avoid a messy divorce from the team's longest tenured player, Anthony also wants to protect his image as well. Anthony has not spoken publicly about the Knicks since April.

Also, the Knicks’ two biggest concerns this summer are making a favorable trade that involves Anthony and repairing their relationship with Kristaps Porzingis, who blew off his exit meeting last April.

Jackson's departure doesn't settle all the issues between Porzingis and the club and repairing that relationship is crucial for Mills, Perry and head coach Jeff Hornacek.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-set-trading-carmelo-anthony-rockets-article-1.3336415

[K_ick_God]

Rebuild the value and your leverage. That's logical. I didn't say play him 40 minutes. I didn't say try to make the playoffs.

You are so desperate to get rid of Melo that you do not care if the trade puts us in a worse position. Those type of transactions are part of the reason we are where we are right now.

You said you'd be fine to pay him to stay home.

That's going to net you a better return?

Then you talk about common sense?

Cmon man.

You're undervaluing what Turning the Page could mean to this team.

You're overvaluing protected picks.

You're undervaluing the odds that Melo could play, be kind of terrible and/or hurt.

You're undervaluing that there are two teams that really want him. At least two. Those teams could also make trades and move on. Or just win some games and feel good about themselves. They're both good teams.

You're also undervaluing that every day is one day closer to the time that Melo can opt out.

You're likely not getting an unprotected pick for him and it's pretty clear the Knicks don't want old bad players on big contracts -- they said as much at the presser, and they're not going back on that, especially not right away.

So pretty much this has no chance of happening. Melo is likely not coming back, if he does it will be in a diminished role, and no role will rebuild his value either at all or to the point where you get something of significant value that you couldn't get right now or soon.

I want to turn the page.

I can't believe you or anyone is still ignorant about how important asset acquisition is after years of ever having assets. Even a protected, likely lower pick is an asset.

If he gets hurt he doesn't play and your fantasy becomes reality.

Those two teams could also struggle and be more motivated to acquire Melo.

If he opts out, once again, you're fantasy is turning into reality.

Nobody is giving out unprotected picks. CLE who's going to the finals didn't. NOP didnt for DMC.

Him playing well, even in the diminished role you assume would happen, raises his value. It does not lower it.

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I want to trade him for things that will help the rebuild. You want him gone at all costs.

One is the logical way to run a franchise. One is not.

You're also missing that him scoring 25 PPG a) is old news, people know he can do this, nobody really would be surprised or greatly impressed because he'll be doing so very likely b) on a losing team, which really isn't that impressive ... or at least, if it is, you don't need a few months of 2017-18 to add any wow factor for a guy like Morey, since it's been a few years in a row that Melo has done this -- score points on a bad team. "Oh he's doing it again, okay here's your top-2 protected pick. I'm just in awe at Melo's PPG as his team racks up L after L." Nope. And that's IF he stays healthy and basically playing well as the crowd boos and moans at him on the court.

In addition, and finally, you are undervaluing how much energy and development would be lost, to other players on our team, by Melo scoring a hollow 25 PPG so that you can get your protected pick.

There's nothing to rebuild. No mysteries with Melo and the idea that Phil killed his trade value is pretty silly and unfounded. Trade his ass or if not, bench his ass.

[Rotten Apple]

I've retired from Melo debates. Everything has been said, there's nothing new to talk about at this point.

there hasn't been anything new to talk about in ages, people have been saying the same sh*t for months bringing up the usual talking points

The lying has gotten more grandiose.

Yeah the lying is really hilarious, the lengths these dudes go to in attempt to make themselves feel good is pure comedy.

[HarthorneWingo]

We better not be getting the short end of the stick again just to appease him

[Polk377]

We better not be getting the short end of the stick again just to appease him

You already know where that stick will end up Wingo.....

[Marty McFly]

an ntc is a no trade clause, not a trade me to wherever the **** i want clause. all they have to do is hold their ground, if they don't they deserve to get fired.

[CANiLIVE]

Im not sure why the Knicks expect to get assets and cap space in this trade. I thought people wanted to take on bad contracts for assets and here we are not doing it.

You know why. We have shown time and again that we value cap space & free agency over asset acquisition.

It's not even just the Knicks. Everyone here expects the Knicks to get no long term contracts AND a multitude of assets for Melo. That's just not realistic at all. What's the obsession for cap space when no one significant wants to play here?

Knicks rather take a chance of a rising player or young prospect with upside then get a Ryan Anderson and sit him next to Noah no thanks.

[FemaleDogPlease]

Ryan Anderson for Carmelo is a bad deal. I also don't see Morey overpaying for Carmelo.

I'm expecting Melo to be a Knick at least to the trade deadline

[ctorres]

I assume Melo already talked to THjr and KP about everything and handed them the keys to the franchise.