2017 Hawks Offseason Thread

[jayu70]

Most people lauded Brooklyn for taking Carroll and his GUARANTEED $30.2 million for a 1st and a 2nd. The Hawks got pretty much the same deal for half that price but that's overpaying and spending too much?

Right. But Brooklyn actually wants the player they traded for. And the player wants to be there. And BRK wants to win games...cause they aren't tanking for a lottery pick next year. (They don't even have their own first rounder next season.)

Hell, why didn't we just bring back Demarre and acquire a couple of draft picks for our trouble? I'd have loved that.

What are the Hawks trying to do compared to what Brooklyn has to do considering they have no picks.

[jayu70]

You know that's not how this works and that's not true regarding the price for 1st round picks.
Would you prefer to keep Jamal (who didn't want to be here plus the number of SGs we already have
) on the roster along with the pick and Stone and pay him his guaranteed $14.2 million this year vs paying him $10.9 mil - Hawks are paying him either way, just less.

I'd prefer we not trade for Jamal Crawford at all if we couldn't play him or move him. That HOU pick is expected to be pretty late in the draft. That pick + Diamond Stone isn't worth $10+ million IMO.

1st round picks don't cost $3 million. That's a 2nd round pick at draft time and that is the NBA maximum cost of a pick.

Then why are we paying $10+ million for a late first?


We helped out LAC and Denver, paid $10 million to do it...and as a reward we get a late pick and Diamond Stone?

This is a move...worth questioning.

What has been the cost of a 1st round pick? I'll wait.
Then there's this...

Hawks using $13.2 million in cap space over a two-year period in order to extract a first-round pick and an additional asset (a former No. 40 overall pick in Stone) and that is roughly commensurate with other trades in the same vein.

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[Jamaaliver]

What are the Hawks trying to do compared to what Brooklyn has to do considering they have no picks.

Brooklyn is trying to compete.

Atlanta is not.

Brooklyn has no incentive to tank. They're trying to build a winning team with a winning core. They can't draft a team. No players take their free agent offers. So they are building a core via trade.

Their big additions this summer were D'Angelo Russell and DeMarre Carroll.

Because they are attempting to compete now.

DeMarre will fill a void on the court and in the locker room playing under Kenny Atkinson, his former assistant coach in Atlanta.

But paying $10 million of Jamal Crawford's salary for a middling pick is a noteworthy decision by the front office.

[Jamaaliver]

What has been the cost of a 1st round pick? I'll wait.
Then there's this...

Hawks using $13.2 million in cap space over a two-year period in order to extract a first-round pick and an additional asset (a former No. 40 overall pick in Stone) and that is roughly commensurate with other trades in the same vein.

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I stand by my statement.

I still can't fathom that we spent so much money just to acquire a late first round pick. Teams buy picks all the time, but usually for much less than $13 million.

This is a move...worth questioning.

I'm sure Ressler had a few questions regarding spending that much money on a player who'll never actually play here. Combined with Miles Plumlee's salary this year, that's a lot of dead money this season on players who will have no tangible contribution to our franchise.



NOTE: I kinda would have preferred we kept that extra $10+ million in cap room. We'd have been in perfect position to make a run at KCP OR Nerlens Noel.

[Spud2nique]

So we paid $13 million of Craw's 17 mill contract just to buy him out? I would have created a nice little spot on the end of the bench for him where he could rot. Then we would see if him or his agent blinked. We could have done this approach and I guarantee Craw's camp would have walked away only keeping a fourth of it by early November or December.

[MaceCase]

So we paid $13 million of Craw's 17 mill contract just to buy him out? I would have created a nice little spot on the end of the bench for him where he could rot. Then we would see if him or his agent blinked. We could have done this approach and I guarantee Craw's camp would have walked away only keeping a fourth of it by early November or December.

Yea?

-You'd also walk away with Jamal and his agents telling a bunch of other players "that new guy in Atlanta, we don't F with him."
This affects a portion of draft/free agency/trade

-You also create a situation where the young guys in the locker are susceptible to the grumpy old man sitting miserably in the corner.
An odd decision given that Dwight was shipped off to avoid this kind of situation

-Then with all of the free agency dollars dried up Jamal and his agents would also say "hell no, we definitely can't recoup any money now so why the hell will we leave any on the table?".
This leaves the Hawks spending even more to buy him out

This isn't Pop Warner, you can't expect to play hardball with millionaire grown men and come up all daisies.

[Spud2nique]

So we paid $13 million of Craw's 17 mill contract just to buy him out? I would have created a nice little spot on the end of the bench for him where he could rot. Then we would see if him or his agent blinked. We could have done this approach and I guarantee Craw's camp would have walked away only keeping a fourth of it by early November or December.

Yea?

-You'd also walk away with Jamal and his agents telling a bunch of other players "that new guy in Atlanta, we don't F with him."
This affects a portion of draft/free agency/trade

-You also create a situation where the young guys in the locker are susceptible to the grumpy old man sitting miserably in the corner.
An odd decision given that Dwight was shipped off to avoid this kind of situation

-Then with all of the free agency dollars dried up Jamal and his agents would also say "hell no, we definitely can't recoup any money now so why the hell will we leave any on the table?".
This leaves the Hawks spending even more to buy him out

This isn't Pop Warner, you can't expect to play hardball with millionaire grown men and come up all daisies.

True but let's be real...our rep isn't changing..I thought it would with Bud but still no respect. If they paint us as villains let's play the role...F Craw and his wise comments about being shipped to Hawks...one dimensional has been anyway.

[azuresou1]

Regarding the cap space, even with Crawford's dead money we're still 6.8M under the cap. We can absorb a fair amount of bad money still. It's also pretty clear we had no plans to acquire KCP (overrated and overpaid), or Noel who is a RFA. Both would also mess up the timeline on our rebuild. He is only a $2.3M hit next season, where we will have in excess of $50M in cap afterwards.

Haven't we always bitched about ownership not willing to spend money to get assets? What are we complaining about now? This is a great turn of events.

[jayu70]

Regarding the cap space, even with Crawford's dead money we're still 6.8M under the cap. We can absorb a fair amount of bad money still. It's also pretty clear we had no plans to acquire KCP (overrated and overpaid), or Noel who is a RFA. Both would also mess up the timeline on our rebuild. He is only a $2.3M hit next season, where we will have in excess of $50M in cap afterwards.

Haven't we always bitched about ownership not willing to spend money to get assets? What are we complaining about now? This is a great turn of events.

I read that the cap hit next year will be $1.7 mil due to offsets from his Minny deal. Also, even though his salary is $10.9 mil this year, the cap hit is $7mil (or something like thay) again having to do with his Minny deal and signing for more than the veterans minimum. Some parts of the CBA is foreign to me so I can't explain it. (I'll see if I can find the article)
It also seems that as part of the buyout, the agreement is to stretch Crawfords payments over 5 years ($2.5 mil for 5 yrs) but the cap hit remains only over the next 2 years.

[Jamaaliver]

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Second time I've heard of our interest in Shabazz...

[atlantabbq99]

I wonder what is happening with Nerlens Noel?

Dallas will probably match, but I'm just wondering if their has been any more talking between Noel and the Hawks?

[Spud2nique]

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Second time I've heard of our interest in Shabazz...

Yes...saw it again as well earlier and they also said the Magic, Knicks, Bulls, Nets and Bucks were interested as well. I like Shabazz a lot for the situation that we are in right now. Having said that, I'd rather play Prince, Bembry and our other young wings over Bazz in terms of minutes on the floor.

He would probably be a better fit with the Nets or the Bulls in my opinion as far as playing time for him but he's a highlight reel and we love those in the ATL..

[Jamaaliver]

Some additional perspective on the Crawford/trade buyout in relation to obtaining a late first round pick:

Price

The current price for a late first round draft pick seems to be in excess of $14 million in cap space. That is what Atlanta paid.

Brooklyn recently paid in excess of $30 million over two years in order to acquire the Toronto Raptors’ first round draft pick in 2018 — although they did keep DeMarre Carroll on their roster.

But these are expected to be late first round picks and the cost of cap space price appears to be in the neighborhood of $15 million.

It is probably unlikely that Atlanta could then recoup another first round pick in 2018 without also costing themselves another $14+ million in cap space.

And is that worth it? The jury is out.

Peachtree Hoops



This still seems high to me for what is expected to be a late pick. Maybe HOU struggles to gel and we get a top 20 pick out of it...though even that would give me pause.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Some additional perspective on the Crawford/trade buyout in relation to obtaining a late first round pick:

Price

The current price for a late first round draft pick seems to be in excess of $14 million in cap space. That is what Atlanta paid.

Brooklyn recently paid in excess of $30 million over two years in order to acquire the Toronto Raptors’ first round draft pick in 2018 — although they did keep DeMarre Carroll on their roster.

But these are expected to be late first round picks and the cost of cap space price appears to be in the neighborhood of $15 million.

It is probably unlikely that Atlanta could then recoup another first round pick in 2018 without also costing themselves another $14+ million in cap space.

And is that worth it? The jury is out.

Peachtree Hoops



This still seems high to me for what is expected to be a late pick. Maybe HOU struggles to gel and we get a top 20 pick out of it...though even that would give me pause.

The cap skyrockets and so do other things.

[MaceCase]

Regarding the cap space, even with Crawford's dead money we're still 6.8M under the cap. We can absorb a fair amount of bad money still. It's also pretty clear we had no plans to acquire KCP (overrated and overpaid), or Noel who is a RFA. Both would also mess up the timeline on our rebuild. He is only a $2.3M hit next season, where we will have in excess of $50M in cap afterwards.

Haven't we always bitched about ownership not willing to spend money to get assets? What are we complaining about now? This is a great turn of events.

It's an odd complaint particularly when the repeated desired goal is to always "get something" for players. Trading actual talent for a pick, prospect, and contract filler is considered a victory over losing them for "nothing" yet utilizing cap space for a pick, prospect, and contract filler is somehow deemed wasteful. Go figure.

[Jamaaliver]

Regarding the cap space, even with Crawford's dead money we're still 6.8M under the cap.

Haven't we always bitched about ownership not willing to spend money to get assets? What are we complaining about now? This is a great turn of events.

It's...not so much a complaint. I like Schlenk and understand what he's done this summer.

I didn't love the Dwight for Plumlee dump...but I understand it. It was necessary. I didn't love moving back from pick 31 to pick 41. But I understood it.

This move -- dumping so much salary for a late pick -- just seems odd. Especially when we're likely to already have Minny's pick and CLE's pick next summer.

I can think of a bunch of players, all under 30, we could have gotten on cheap deals this summer. Most of whom will likely be of higher caliber than the #26 pick next year.

Maybe Schlenk is already prepping for a big move up in the draft. Maybe he believes HOU will implode and this pick is destined to be in the top 20.

But my reluctance to embrace such a move isn't a personal indictment of Travis. I just would have gone a different direction with $20 million in cap space this summer.

Trust me...you'll know when I start bitchin'. (See every thread regarding Josh Smith from 2009-2013.)

[jayu70]

Regarding the cap space, even with Crawford's dead money we're still 6.8M under the cap.

Haven't we always bitched about ownership not willing to spend money to get assets? What are we complaining about now? This is a great turn of events.

I just would have gone a different direction with $20 million in cap space this summer.

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Do Tell.

[Jamaaliver]

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[kg01]

Why am I so contrary today? I don't like any of them dudes. At all.

When will people give up on Tyler Ennis?

[Jamaaliver]

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