Otto Porter Part 2

[TGW]

Don't forget, It's all Brooks' fault and Wall is a lazy bum. Oh and we'll be fine if we played Sato, Mac & McCullough more.

I honestly don't get why y'all bother even entertaining the troll.

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Nope. I like Oubre, probably more than most, but he hasnt earned the right to start over Morris at this point. I think that lineup is a great tool to use, but it depends on the matchup at the PF spot and if Oubre is playing well

Not pretending to know the answer to this, but did Draymond prove himself over all star David Lee? We wanna get our core guys out there as much as possible. Keef can still play a big Patrick Patterson type of rotational player role. He's a good player.

In the 2014-15 season. Of course,it took a David Lee injury to start the season to put Draymond in the starting lineup and Green had started a few postseason games IIRC after Jermaine O'Neal and Andrew Bogut left the series with injuries.

Draymond played almost 1800 minutes his second year, 2013-14. Lee played only about 500 more minutes than Green. Draymond was already the better player overall that year.

In 2014-15, Lee played in only 49 games & averaged under 19 minutes/game. Draymond played in 79 games & averaged over 30 minutes a game.

Not sure what this has to do w/ Oubre-Porter over Porter-Morris, however. Of course I'd use Nat's starting 5 over the default last year! Markieff Morris is not a good player. He's a bad player. He didn't have a good year last year. He had a bad year.

Morris scores more or less at the rate of an average NBA PF (1 point more per 40 minutes) & more or less at the efficiency of an average NBA big (TS% 1/2 percent lower than average). I don't mean an average starter -- I mean the average of all the guys who play PF in the league.

If you look at his blocks, steals, fouls, turnovers & assists, once again overall he's just about average (a little below overall) among all NBA bigs: again, not starters -- just the general run of guys at the 4.

Then there's rebounding: Markieff gets about 80% the number of rebounds of an average NBA big. Once again, not 80% of what an average starting 4 gets. If you compare him to the average guy playing any minutes at all at the 4 in the NBA, while that guy gets 5 rebounds, Markieff Morris gets 4. Moreover, he's worse on offensive boards than defensive boards.

Factor that bad rebounding in to his productivity, and Markieff is one of the really bad players at his position (at any position) in the league. IOW, it seems altogether likely that we'd be better off with Porter starting at the 4 & Oubre at the 3.

Now, keep in mind that Oubre already played 1600+ minutes last year, so we couldn't simply phase out all Morris's minutes. But if we got him down to 1000 minutes, it seems pretty likely we'd be a better team.

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Don't forget, It's all Brooks' fault and Wall is a lazy bum. Oh and we'll be fine if we played Sato, Mac & McCullough more.

I honestly don't get why y'all bother even entertaining the troll.

There's a difference between being wrong a lot of the time & being a troll. Nat's an enthusiastic fan who is wrong a lot of the time. But, he's not a troll.

[montestewart]

Don't forget, It's all Brooks' fault and Wall is a lazy bum. Oh and we'll be fine if we played Sato, Mac & McCullough more.

I honestly don't get why y'all bother even entertaining the troll.

There's a difference between being wrong a lot of the time & being a troll. Nat's an enthusiastic fan who is wrong a lot of the time. But, he's not a troll.

Yeah, he's talked enough trash about EGgo to distinguish himself from millie. What appears agenda driven to some may just be highly opinionated.

I try to avoid the Brooks=dumb/Wall=lazy vortex, but he's got a little Ace Degenerate in him. This will be a long offseason. We can use some entertainment around here.

[TGW]

Don't forget, It's all Brooks' fault and Wall is a lazy bum. Oh and we'll be fine if we played Sato, Mac & McCullough more.

I honestly don't get why y'all bother even entertaining the troll.

There's a difference between being wrong a lot of the time & being a troll. Nat's an enthusiastic fan who is wrong a lot of the time. But, he's not a troll.

When you're in a John Wall appreciation thread, bashing the guy who almost single-handedly got you somewhere, all the while praising the bench scrubs...you sir, are a troll. Just calling it the way I see it.

[Illmatic12]

I honestly don't get why y'all bother even entertaining the troll.

There's a difference between being wrong a lot of the time & being a troll. Nat's an enthusiastic fan who is wrong a lot of the time. But, he's not a troll.

When you're in a John Wall appreciation thread, bashing the guy who almost single-handedly got you somewhere, all the while praising the bench scrubs...you sir, are a troll. Just calling it the way I see it.

Nat P? He is a borderline troll. Reason why he got banned on BF iirc

And many of his non-basketball related opinions belong on r/the_donald..

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[montestewart]

Illmatic back spreading lies, tell us more about how we should trade Otto and Oubre for Rudy Gay, monte back being the worst mod in the history of fan boards, TGW back contributing absolutely nothing to anything per usual.

I'm embarrassed for you guys, stop ruining the Otto Porter thread. Go blow each other in the politics thread

Wow, it really IS Ace Degenerate!

[Rafael122]

David Falk looks like Jeffrey Tambor.

[NatP4]

If the wizards start Otto at power forward this year, he will be an all star.

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Ted laying out the plan, Otto is the PF of the future. Easy baby step for Scott Brooks: play the 18th ranked player in RPM more minutes

[Illmatic12]

David Falk looks like Jeffrey Tambor.

Nah.. looks like his twin brother Oscar

[dckingsfan]

Ted + Plan = Oxymoron

[DCZards]

Illmatic back spreading lies, tell us more about how we should trade Otto and Oubre for Rudy Gay, monte back being the worst mod in the history of fan boards, TGW back contributing absolutely nothing to anything per usual.

I'm embarrassed for you guys, stop ruining the Otto Porter thread. Go blow each other in the politics thread

Damn, Nat, guy labels you a troll (rightfully or wrongfully) and you essentially confirm it with a simple-minded post like this one.

[NatP4]

Illmatic back spreading lies, tell us more about how we should trade Otto and Oubre for Rudy Gay, monte back being the worst mod in the history of fan boards, TGW back contributing absolutely nothing to anything per usual.

I'm embarrassed for you guys, stop ruining the Otto Porter thread. Go blow each other in the politics thread

Damn, Nat, guy labels you a troll (rightfully or wrongfully) and you essentially confirm it with a simple-minded post like this one.

its like the 5th time he's called me a troll based on the bulletsforever thing(even though he has no clue why I got banned)

Honestly never seen TGW post anything relevant to the wizards. Like honestly, I can't recall one instance.

Just look at this thread, I was simply posting about the team and my opinion, Dat jumps in insulting me, TGW/Monte/Illmatic jump in per usual. It gets old, and frustrating.

[deneem4]

If the wizards start Otto at power forward this year, he will be an all star.

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Ted laying out the plan, Otto is the PF of the future. Easy baby step for Scott Brooks: play the 18th ranked player in RPM more minutes

Start oubre at sf
And Morris at center...

Let gortat rebound all the bench misses...

[Kanyewest]

Not pretending to know the answer to this, but did Draymond prove himself over all star David Lee? We wanna get our core guys out there as much as possible. Keef can still play a big Patrick Patterson type of rotational player role. He's a good player.

In the 2014-15 season. Of course,it took a David Lee injury to start the season to put Draymond in the starting lineup and Green had started a few postseason games IIRC after Jermaine O'Neal and Andrew Bogut left the series with injuries.

Draymond played almost 1800 minutes his second year, 2013-14. Lee played only about 500 more minutes than Green. Draymond was already the better player overall that year.

In 2014-15, Lee played in only 49 games & averaged under 19 minutes/game. Draymond played in 79 games & averaged over 30 minutes a game.

Not sure what this has to do w/ Oubre-Porter over Porter-Morris, however. Of course I'd use Nat's starting 5 over the default last year! Markieff Morris is not a good player. He's a bad player. He didn't have a good year last year. He had a bad year.

Morris scores more or less at the rate of an average NBA PF (1 point more per 40 minutes) & more or less at the efficiency of an average NBA big (TS% 1/2 percent lower than average). I don't mean an average starter -- I mean the average of all the guys who play PF in the league.

If you look at his blocks, steals, fouls, turnovers & assists, once again overall he's just about average (a little below overall) among all NBA bigs: again, not starters -- just the general run of guys at the 4.

Then there's rebounding: Markieff gets about 80% the number of rebounds of an average NBA big. Once again, not 80% of what an average starting 4 gets. If you compare him to the average guy playing any minutes at all at the 4 in the NBA, while that guy gets 5 rebounds, Markieff Morris gets 4. Moreover, he's worse on offensive boards than defensive boards.

Factor that bad rebounding in to his productivity, and Markieff is one of the really bad players at his position (at any position) in the league. IOW, it seems altogether likely that we'd be better off with Porter starting at the 4 & Oubre at the 3.

Now, keep in mind that Oubre already played 1600+ minutes last year, so we couldn't simply phase out all Morris's minutes. But if we got him down to 1000 minutes, it seems pretty likely we'd be a better team.

Yeah, I also believe Green was better than David Lee in 2013-14 although the Warriors only played Green 21 mpg and Lee 32 mpg. I would still say it wasn't apparent to the coaching staff given that Lee started over Green in their postseason matchup against the Clipper and Green only started because of season ending injuries to the other centers on the rosters. Also, Steve Kerr admits that Lee was going to be a starter going into the 2014-15 until Lee got injured and the Warriors went on an incredible run to start the season.

But yeah, Green was the better player especially since Lee's defense was beyond awful and Green was a solid defensive player. The big reason that Lee played over Green probably had to do with the fact that Golden State's front office had handed Lee a giant contract.

[NatP4]

If the wizards start Otto at power forward this year, he will be an all star.

Read on Twitter

Ted laying out the plan, Otto is the PF of the future. Easy baby step for Scott Brooks: play the 18th ranked player in RPM more minutes

Start oubre at sf
And Morris at center...

Let gortat rebound all the bench misses...

No way, Gortat is a huge key to our offense, setting good screens and rolling opens up our entire offense, protecting the rim and rebounding better than Morris ever could. The best case scenario for our offseason would've been just to sign or draft another wing player that's a good leader imo. Maybe that's why they went after Batum last offseason

Wall Sato
Beal Mac
Oubre (need this player)
Porter Keef
Gortat Mahinmi

[NatP4]

Like I said the day we drafted Oubre, the day the wizards unleash Porter as the fulltime 4, is the day they make the big jump like the non Durant warriors. Otto can be as good as Draymond even though they have slightly different strengths.

Benefits wall on his switches with literally everyone on defense, having Kelly and Otto to defend guards, gives him more spacing to drive and kick.

Benefits Beal, for the exact same reason

Benefits Oubre obviously giving him starters minutes (with the starters, doesn't have to create his shot)

Benefits Porter, playing his natural position and where he is best, allows him to get more shots because he can screen and get open. Allows him to cut more freely and still have a spaced out offense. Hides his lateral quickness weakness moreso, allows his defense to be a huge strength.

Gortat, spaces the floor for his pick and roll, gives him a frontcourt partner with a brain, much better help defender. Less stupid ass ISOs for Morris that piss him off.

Would improve our 3pt defense obviously, our rebounding, our floor spacing, our switchability, our athletic ability in transition.

Someone tell me what we lose?

[deneem4]

If the wizards start Otto at power forward this year, he will be an all star.

Read on Twitter

Ted laying out the plan, Otto is the PF of the future. Easy baby step for Scott Brooks: play the 18th ranked player in RPM more minutes

Start oubre at sf
And Morris at center...

Let gortat rebound all the bench misses...

No way, Gortat is a huge key to our offense, setting good screens and rolling opens up our entire offense, protecting the rim and rebounding better than Morris ever could. The best case scenario for our offseason would've been just to sign or draft another wing player that's a good leader imo. Maybe that's why they went after Batum last offseason

Wall Sato
Beal Mac
Oubre (need this player)
Porter Keef
Gortat Mahinmi

What rim does gortat protect???
He set good screens and rolls well but he's not a good finisher if it isn't an open lane...
He rebounds because he can't guard no thing outside the paint so he stays there

If we're going to be like golden state then we need more off ball screens from wings and a big that can pass from the high key...

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Illmatic back spreading lies, tell us more about how we should trade Otto and Oubre for Rudy Gay, monte back being the worst mod in the history of fan boards, TGW back contributing absolutely nothing to anything per usual.

I'm embarrassed for you guys, stop ruining the Otto Porter thread. Go blow each other in the politics thread

Wow, it really IS Ace Degenerate!

Hey, Nat -- get some common sense, would you? When someone defends you (as I did), don't come right in & write crap like that.