ATL - Kyrie Dealt to Boston for IT, Crowder, Nets pick, etc Pg 87

Pachinko_ · Post #1081 » by **Pachinko_** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:42 am

Prez wrote:kewl

Read on Twitter

pffft
we can do better with whats his name again

Gianstoppable · Post #1082 » by **Gianstoppable** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:43 am

Read on Twitter

Pachinko_ · Post #1083 » by **Pachinko_** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:45 am

emunney wrote:Props to Tapatalk for letting me see tweets finally.

Only took them like 5 years but hey good job

milwaukee bunks · Post #1084 » by **milwaukee bunks** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:50 am

BuckHole wrote:I may have a brain tumor, but I'd rather not trade away our young players for Kyrie. Perhaps I'm being emotional rather than reasonable, but I really like this team, with the exception of Henson. We aren't winning a championship, so **** it! I rather be disappointed with how our young talent develops than trade it away for a known superstar. I'm cracked!

young players? Brogdon and Middleton are effectively the same age as Kyrie...

kid idioteque · Post #1085 » by **kid idioteque** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:53 am

If the Cavs wanted Jabari and Mids, I would strongly consider doing it.

emunney · Post #1086 » by **emunney** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:06 am

If you're unhappy playing with LeBron, I don't want you on my team.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #1087 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:07 am

emunney wrote:If you're unhappy playing with LeBron, I don't want you on my team.

This x1000

How do you want off a team with LeBron James and basically a guaranteed path to the Finals?

Baddy Chuck · Post #1088 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:11 am

emunney wrote:If you're unhappy playing with LeBron, I don't want you on my team.

Or maybe he just knows LeBron is leaving and is using this as his out :reporter:

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tydett · Post #1089 » by **tydett** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:12 am

I think Kyrie is very flawed as a player. His defense will never be any good, and I have concerns about how much of a star he is.

That being said, if the Bucks could get him, they would be crazy not to. I even think that cheapass Gilbert might consider a deal like this

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc926qgo

if only because it lets that **** get out of the luxury tax sooner when Monroe and Hawes expire, and LeBron leaves next year. I don't actually know how much better that trade makes the Bucks, but a lineup of Kyrie/Brogdon/Middleton/Giannis/Thompson with Shump and Snell subbing in at the guard positions and our poo-poo platter of front court **** could probably still win 55 in the East and get to the conference finals.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #1090 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:16 am

if he knows LeBron is leaving he gets a run at the finals and then gets his own team after. why would he want out now?
if he was going to demand a trade to get out of Cleveland if lebron left he could do it next summer either way as well.
why leave now unless he really doesn't like playing with LeBron?

I don't see how this could have anything to do with LeBron besides what he said it had to do with LeBron.

this league is getting too weird for me. its sad to me whats happening with these guys compared to the league I grew up watching.

DrWood · Post #1091 » by **DrWood** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:16 am

So, some guy's ranking of the under-25 talent of the nba teams. Bucks were second. Cavs were last (only under 25 player they listed was Felder - - Kyrie is 25).
http://newarena.com/nba/ranking-the-best-young-talent-under-25-for-all-nba-teams/19/?amxt=hexagram_organic_2
The guy mentioned Wiggins as a lock-down defender, so . . .

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #1092 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:23 am

assuming the knicks give up picks and Carmelo for kyrie then.....rose, LeBron, Carmelo and love plus whatever those picks could be flipped for puts the cavs in better shape then when kyrie leaves them imo

MadBlueEdwards · Post #1093 » by **MadBlueEdwards** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:28 am

Pachinko_ wrote:
emunney wrote:Props to Tapatalk for letting me see tweets finally.

Only took them like 5 years but hey good job

I gave up on it about a year ago and started using Safari exclusively.

drat456 · Post #1094 » by **drat456** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:28 am

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:assuming the knicks give up picks and Carmelo for kyrie then.....rose, LeBron, Carmelo and love plus whatever those picks could be flipped for puts the cavs in better shape then when kyrie leaves them imo

But I thought rose sucks

WRau1 · Post #1095 » by **WRau1** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:35 am

I wouldn't want to play on a Cavs team without LBJ either, I'm sure Kyrie remembers what that was like. That FO is a mess and has done nothing besides being gifted LBJ twice. I wouldn't blame him for wanting out if he knew LBJ was gone next season.

SupremeHustle · Post #1096 » by **SupremeHustle** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:38 am

chonestown wrote:
SupremeHustle wrote:
VooDoo7 wrote:If you mean "upstairs", I can kind of see the worry.

Talent-wise, Kyrie has more of that in his little toe's hangnail than Jennings does in his whole body. Tho I'm sure you already know that.

Have we ever traded for anyone who got better or at least stayed the same? Is Tony Snell the first and only example?

Seems like guys come to MKE and suddenly lose a step or can't shoot anymore.

Mids

Brain fart.

MrHoneycutt · Post #1097 » by **MrHoneycutt** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:44 am

This is absolutely wild, the NBA is truly part basketball, part soap opera. What off-season?

chonestown · Post #1098 » by **chonestown** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:49 am

SupremeHustle wrote:Brain fart.

Brother, I've been there. [old dude giving airport information to Chigruh in No Country]

Iheartfootball · Post #1099 » by **Iheartfootball** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:51 am

Doesn't Kyrie believe the earth is flat? I don't like that.

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Gam · Post #1100 » by **Gam** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:52 am

Packages I'd give up for Kyrie in order of most willing to give up to least:

(All work in the ESPN Trade Machine)

Jabari/Delly/Henson/2018 1st/2020 1st for Kyrie

Jabari/Brogdon/Henson/2018 1st/2020 1st for Kyrie

Jabari/Delly/2018 1st for Kyrie

Jabari/Delly/Moose/2018 1st for Kyrie/Frye/Tavares

Jabari/Brogdon/Moose 2018 1st for Kyrie/Frye

Jabari/Thon/Delly/2019 1st for Kyrie

Jabari/Middleton

Jabari/Middleton/Delly for Kyrie/Frye

Jabari/Middleton/2019 1st for Kyrie

Jabari/Middleton/2018 1st for Kyrie

Jabri/Middleton/Brogdon for Kyrie is the absolute most I'd do and I'd walk away very unhappy.

I would definitely do any of the last 4 deals from the Cavs PoV, assuming no other team offered a trade. I would definitely not do any of the first 3 deals from their PoV, but I felt they were worth including.

Note 1:

I didn't include DJ in any of these trades because as we know he was #9 on our draft board and 16 teams passed on him, so I think it's safe to say we would value him significantly higher than the Cavs would making him unlikely to be included.

Note 2:

I didn't include any absolutely insane 7+ player deals. There are some I would personally do, but there's zero chance whatsoever one actually happens.

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What I think the trade will actually be if it happens (works in the trade machine):

CLE out: Kyrie, Shumpert, Frye

CLE in: Melo, Bledsoe

NYK out: Melo, 2018 1st (lotto protected until it conveys)

NYK in: Josh Jackson, Shumpert, Frye

PHX out: Bledsoe, Josh Jackson

Phx in: Kyrie, 2018 Knicks 1st (lotto protected until it conveys)

This trade would have to wait until Aug 2nd to be finalized because you're trading the recently drafted Josh Jackson.

I can't see what team says no to this. Maybe PHX, but you could send Frye their way (expiring) and take some of the protection off the NYK pick if needed.

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Overall I would guess there is a 70% chance Kyrie gets moved before the season and a 5% chance he moves to the Bucks.