Kyrie asked to be traded (UPDATED)

[Susp3ct]

Well now we know the real reason Rose has interest in coming to the Land.
Irving should get a nice return though if they are smart about it.
my first thought was straight up for John Wall.
higher # of players in return might be found sending him to Phoenix for Bledsoe, Bender, Warren.
sending him to the Spurs for Green & Murray ( they won't trade Leo).
sending him to Boston for Isaiah , Brown & Smart.
sending him to the Timber wolves for Wiggins & Dieng.
sending him & Frye to New Orleans for Davis although unlikely would be my favorite move if the Pelicans are content with Boogie.
sending him to Denver for Chandler,Harris,Mudiay & Hernangomez. ( they are not trading Jokic)
sending him to the Bucks for Brogdan,Delly,Henson or Delly, Jabari & Maker.
lesser desirable returns but still solid:
sending him to Charlotte for Kemba & Lamb + a draft pick
sending him to detroit for Jackson Johnson & a draft pick.
sending him to NY,or Miami 2 of his preferred destinations don't offer much in return unless you want Dragic or can pry away KP.
sending him to SA or MIN his other 2 preferred destinations are more likely , but who cares what he wants.
I am not in shocked by this, but disappointed and believe he will likely regret the decision.

Wow. You are REALLY overrating kyrie. Most of these proposed deals are ludicrous and there's no way teams would give up these packages for a PG who can't defend or pass...

"Get Out the Way, Let the Real F. Ballas thru" - Juvenile

Don't come to this forum and use words like ludicrous or berate the posters here. This is your first and only warning.

His last sentence was definitely berating the poster. But if we can't use words like ludacrious then that's definitely a ludacrious situation!

Anyways I think cavs should trade BOTH James and Irving. James is leaving next year and Irving already wants a trade. Get the maximum value you guys can and start the rebuilding process.

[jbk1234]

Wow. You are REALLY overrating kyrie. Most of these proposed deals are ludicrous and there's no way teams would give up these packages for a PG who can't defend or pass...

"Get Out the Way, Let the Real F. Ballas thru" - Juvenile

Don't come to this forum and use words like ludicrous or berate the posters here. This is your first and only warning.

His last sentence was definitely berating the poster. But if we can't use words like ludacrious then that's definitely a ludacrious situation!

Anyways I think cavs should trade BOTH James and Irving. James is leaving next year and Irving already wants a trade. Get the maximum value you guys can and start the rebuilding process.

Let me be very clear as the moderator of this forum - there isn't going to be a long leash on this subject. There are many forums on Realgm. Maybe you can call Cavs fans ludicrous there and talk about how little Kyrie is going to return in a trade. You can't here.

[Susp3ct]

Don't come to this forum and use words like ludicrous or berate the posters here. This is your first and only warning.

His last sentence was definitely berating the poster. But if we can't use words like ludacrious then that's definitely a ludacrious situation!

Anyways I think cavs should trade BOTH James and Irving. James is leaving next year and Irving already wants a trade. Get the maximum value you guys can and start the rebuilding process.

Let me be very clear as the moderator of this forum - there isn't going to be a long leash on this subject. There are many forums on Realgm. Maybe you can call Cavs fans ludicrous there and talk about how little Kyrie is going to return in a trade. You can't here.

If I may, this is what he said "Most of these proposed deals are ludicrous"
He called the deals ludacrious not the poster.
But anyways I know each forum has their own rules and you're the mod here so you interpret the wordings and rules

[Baller1234a]

Well now we know the real reason Rose has interest in coming to the Land.
Irving should get a nice return though if they are smart about it.
my first thought was straight up for John Wall.
higher # of players in return might be found sending him to Phoenix for Bledsoe, Bender, Warren.
sending him to the Spurs for Green & Murray ( they won't trade Leo).
sending him to Boston for Isaiah , Brown & Smart.
sending him to the Timber wolves for Wiggins & Dieng.
sending him & Frye to New Orleans for Davis although unlikely would be my favorite move if the Pelicans are content with Boogie.
sending him to Denver for Chandler,Harris,Mudiay & Hernangomez. ( they are not trading Jokic)
sending him to the Bucks for Brogdan,Delly,Henson or Delly, Jabari & Maker.
lesser desirable returns but still solid:
sending him to Charlotte for Kemba & Lamb + a draft pick
sending him to detroit for Jackson Johnson & a draft pick.
sending him to NY,or Miami 2 of his preferred destinations don't offer much in return unless you want Dragic or can pry away KP.
sending him to SA or MIN his other 2 preferred destinations are more likely , but who cares what he wants.
I am not in shocked by this, but disappointed and believe he will likely regret the decision.

Wow. You are REALLY overrating kyrie. Most of these proposed deals are ludicrous and there's no way teams would give up these packages for a PG who can't defend or pass...

"Get Out the Way, Let the Real F. Ballas thru" - Juvenile

Max I would do for Kyrie
Is Crowder IT Rozier

[Stillwater]

Wow. You are REALLY overrating kyrie. Most of these proposed deals are ludicrous and there's no way teams would give up these packages for a PG who can't defend or pass...

"Get Out the Way, Let the Real F. Ballas thru" - Juvenile

Don't come to this forum and use words like ludicrous or berate the posters here. This is your first and only warning.

His last sentence was definitely berating the poster. But if we can't use words like ludacrious then that's definitely a ludacrious situation!

Anyways I think cavs should trade BOTH James and Irving. James is leaving next year and Irving already wants a trade. Get the maximum value you guys can and start the rebuilding process.

Regarding Lebron leaving; if he is leaving and the reason Irving wants to leave is because he doesn't want to play with Lebron, does that make any sense?
NO,if anything it is an indication Lebron is not leaving.Every time Lebron is going to be a fa the drama begins about him leaving.
They can't trade Lebron anyway he has a no trade clause.
If they do not find a reasonable "win" return haul for him, I expect Irving to remain a Cav & to be severely pushed down in the rotation. The bottom line is despite all of his skills, the best line up they had on the court last season (which was not used in the finals) against small ball teams did not include him. Knowing how much that would have made a difference,it would not surprise me if the org has already decided post finals loss at the coaching level that it would be best served going forward to bring Irving off the bench against teams like GSW. He is unlikely to be able to handle that blow to his ego esp if he is not a starter on the biggest stage and if he knows that deep down it's true, of course he wants out, where he can be the focal point as he has mentioned esp if Lebron isn't going anywhere.

[GlenRiceARoni]

Yeah overreaction I wasn't attacking the poster but I understand it's a sensitive topic. I thought he wanted people's roster for kyrie.


Personally, there's zero chance im trading bender for kyrie straight up if I'm phoenix

"Get Out the Way, Let the Real F. Ballas thru" - Juvenile

[GlenRiceARoni]

Regarding Lebron leaving; if anything it is an indication Lebron is not leaving.Every time Lebron is going to be a fa the drama begins about him leaving.
.

I'd be shocked if LeBron remained in Cleveland. The roster is fatally flawed vs GSW with mostly aging, overpaid vets that can't be easily traded. And you are capped out beyond belief.

If LeBron spends the next 5 years carrying his team to the Finals and getting smoked by the warriors it harms his legacy too much.

There are literally ~20 teams with a better supporting cast where he would have a better shot at defeating the warriors. LA and Houston are going to be the obvious choices for him but heck Milwaukee, Charlotte, Miami, Utah, Denver, minnesota etc all have a better supporting cast if he chooses to join forces with them.



"Get Out the Way, Let the Real F. Ballas thru" - Juvenile

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Personally, there's zero chance im trading bender for kyrie straight up if I'm phoenix

There's also zero chance that the Cavs would do that trade either, so you have nothing to worry about. Lol

[bake51]

Wiggins, Aldrich, and the OKC pick? Would that work?

[GlenRiceARoni]

Personally, there's zero chance im trading bender for kyrie straight up if I'm phoenix

There's also zero chance that the Cavs would do that trade either, so you have nothing to worry about. Lol

They should if phoenix is willing to part with bender.


Kyrie has neutral value on his current deal and will have negative value on his next one. If you trade for him There is a chance he puts up huge scoring numbers and now makes all NBA. Then you're REALLY overpaying him beyond belief.

Whereas you've got bender cheap as heck for the next 4 years and team control for another 8 total. And he looks like he's going to be a factor on both ends





"Get Out the Way, Let the Real F. Ballas thru" - Juvenile

[Stillwater]

Yeah overreaction I wasn't attacking the poster but I understand it's a sensitive topic. I thought he wanted people's roster for kyrie.


Personally, there's zero chance im trading bender for kyrie straight up if I'm phoenix

"Get Out the Way, Let the Real F. Ballas thru" - Juvenile

Phoenix would jump on the chance to get Irving for Bledsoe & Bender & Warren.
you think Bender is worth more than Kyrie Irving? not a chance

[SLATER]

Phoenix would jump on the chance to get Irving for Bledsoe & Bender & Warren.
you think Bender is worth more than Kyrie Irving? not a chance

I really like this PHX deal for CLE... I can see this being a net positive in wins even next year.

What if PHX offered Booker and Josh Jackson (plus salary filler) straight up for Kyrie? And then the Cavs sign Rose for next year at PG.

What if Dallas offered CLE: Dennis Smith Jr, Wes Matthews + this year's first what does that do for you all?

The more I think about it the more I think the Cavs will come out ok...

[gflem]

Phoenix would jump on the chance to get Irving for Bledsoe & Bender & Warren.
you think Bender is worth more than Kyrie Irving? not a chance

I really like this PHX deal for CLE... I can see this being a net positive in wins even next year.

What if PHX offered Booker and Josh Jackson (plus salary filler) straight up for Kyrie? And then the Cavs sign Rose for next year at PG.

What if Dallas offered CLE: Dennis Smith Jr, Wes Matthews + this year's first what does that do for you all?

The more I think about it the more I think the Cavs will come out ok...

I like the bolded idea, but of course I would try to get the Suns to add a pick, but I really do like Booker. We would have to sign Rose though for it to work this year, which is important since Lebron can walk after this season.
Unfortunately we have to think this way if or until Lebron leaves which is why we are in this situation. Not that I would give back the chip but having Lebron on your team cuts both ways with the drama and having to please him at every turn.

[jbk1234]

Read on Twitter

It's behind a paywall but Lloyd is more plugged in than anyone re: assistance coaches, players, etc...

Here's the money quote: "Irving sees John Wall and Damian Lillard, guys drafted the year before and after he entered the league, get full credit for guiding their teams to the postseason. That results in more money, attention and power — all of which goes to James now in Cleveland."

[dshearn]

If Kyrie can't get along with a HOF top 3 NBA player of all time, who is so unselfish he comes off as passive at times... who can he get along with?

That is what hurts his trade value. I don't think the cav fans have an immediate reason to panic. Teams like SA and MIa are playing very team centric ball there is not going to be a bidding war for him.

I bet he stays nice and safe in Clevland until after y'all figure out the Lebron situation...

[SLATER]

by gflem » 37 minutes ago

SLATER wrote:
Phoenix would jump on the chance to get Irving for Bledsoe & Bender & Warren.
you think Bender is worth more than Kyrie Irving? not a chance


I really like this PHX deal for CLE... I can see this being a net positive in wins even next year.

What if PHX offered Booker and Josh Jackson (plus salary filler) straight up for Kyrie? And then the Cavs sign Rose for next year at PG.

What if Dallas offered CLE: Dennis Smith Jr, Wes Matthews + this year's first what does that do for you all?

The more I think about it the more I think the Cavs will come out ok...

I like the bolded idea, but of course I would try to get the Suns to add a pick, but I really do like Booker. We would have to sign Rose though for it to work this year, which is important since Lebron can walk after this season.
Unfortunately we have to think this way if or until Lebron leaves which is why we are in this situation. Not that I would give back the chip but having Lebron on your team cuts both ways with the drama and having to please him at every turn.

Gotcha, makes sense. Something to think about here when dealing with PHX is how desperate they are to unload Brandon Knight's contract which they view as a net negative asset. If there's a deal where the Cavs take Knight in a trade for Kyrie I feel like they can FLEECE them of their young talents. I like Booker AND Josh Jackson ALOT personally which is why I mentioned those two.

And this last part is a total gut feeling but I suspect Knight likely goes from being a net negative for PHX to being a solid contributor for CLE because that's just what Lebron does.

[jbk1234]

Sounds like the Cavs don't care, at all, about Kyrie's list of teams.

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=20128637&sf100000624=1

[Dupp]

And why should they?


Although I still don't buy the "own team" angle. Look at the list of teams. He'll never be as good as kawhi and butler and Kat are better too. Seems very illogical

[jbk1234]

And why should they?


Although I still don't buy the "own team" angle. Look at the list of teams. He'll never be as good as kawhi and butler and Kat are better too. Seems very illogical

It's Kyrie. He's very capable of believing he'd be the focal point on any of those teams. Honestly, LBJ is the only player who has ever called out Kyrie and who has been better than Kyrie.

[FrigginFalcon]

Sinking ship, meet Rat. Rat, meet sinking ship. Cavs clearly had a problem at year's end. They are (were) a very good team, but with a payroll that should have been sufficient to build the world's greatest super team. There simply was no prospect of substantially improving the team while retaining all of those high salaries. Kyrie was actually a bargain this past season, but some other guys were paid far in excess of their value. Even LeBron, though clearly among the League's few top players, is hard-pressed to contribute a quarter to a third of the total horsepower needed to be NBA Champion, but he consume that fraction of the salary cap. His value is also diluted because, like Westbrook & Hardin, he is an iso-ball player. Sure, he dishes plenty of assists, like those other two, but the minute he gets tired or hits the bench, the entire flow of the team goes to hell. The Finals last month showed it clearly. Cavs couldn't sit LeBron long for fear of falling too far behind, but that just caught up to them when he got gassed at the end of the game -- he was dragging late in at least 3 of the 5 Finals games for sure.

GSW, by contrast, could sit one or even two of their Big 3 scorers without fear of giving up a big run. Their bench lacks premier scorers, but makes up for it by having strong defenders who are second-tier scorers 6 or 7 deep. In fact, guys like Iguodala, West, McGee, and Livingston could easily be 20-point-per-game scorers if they had the stamina for 35 minutes per game, so they're very good in their roles requiring 10-15 minutes as reserves. Apart from LeBron, Kyrie is the only Cav who can consistently create his own shots against top-caliber competition at playoff time. With LeBron looking more and more like a "Three-Peat" Ring Shopper next summer, it's no surprise to see Kyrie scurrying down a mooring rope to the safety of the shore.