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hood30 wrote:For Kyrie, it would take Russell who can not be traded until December but him alone is not even close to being enough.....You would have to offer the 2019 and 2010 first round pick which would be valuable since Cleveland would expect Brooklyn to still be bad thus poaching future lottery picks.
Rich Rane wrote:I think we're all missing the point here. vc4pres needs to stop watching games.
Netaman wrote:We aren't getting Kyrie. Best case scenario we can help facilitate cap room and take on helpful player from one of the teams involved.
Rich Rane wrote:I think we're all missing the point here. vc4pres needs to stop watching games.
MrDollarBills wrote:These trade proposals on here are nothing short of embarrassing.
We aren't getting Irving. Frankly, I don't want him. You guys learned next to nothing from D Will.
Rich Rane wrote:I think we're all missing the point here. vc4pres needs to stop watching games.
MrDollarBills wrote:According to some experts on here RHJ will be out of the in 2 years, yet he's being thrown in hypothetical trade offers for an A tier player?
Why would Cleveland take that
vincecarter4pres wrote:Hello Brooklyn wrote:We just have to be patient. Were not ready for Kyrie.
I still think we have a chance of luring Anthony Davis in 3-4 years.
Let's just wait for the Warriors dynasty to end. Nothing anyone does will beat them anyway.
Kyrie is 25, it's a long term move as well and a way to lure guys like the Brow.
Netaman wrote:I really think this is a great chance for the Cavs to reconfigure their roster. This is the first time I've ever thought Bill Simmons was on to something with the 3 team trades he's been proposing for the Cavs, Knicks, Suns.
Suns would get Love and deal Bledsoe and some futures.
Knicks would deal Melo and 2 futures (either 2 firsts or 1 first and the Ntklina).
Cavs would get Melo, Bledsoe, and 2 or 3 solid future assets. (plus some other role players mixed in to balance salaries etc)
Cavs get a ton of flexibility, replace 90% of Kyrie/Loves production, and add futures that could help them make moves in-season. Plus maybe they snag a few versatile role players like Jared Dudley or Courtney Lee who would specifically help matchup with the Warriors.
Thanks for the honesty.MorbidHEAT wrote:My dislike for Lin started during Linsanity. It was absurd. It's probably irrational dislike at this point, but man he gets on my nerves. He's been tearing us up though.
What does Deron have to do this? And quite frankly, your attitude towards others is nothing short of embarrassing. You can have your disagreements but you don't need to **** on other people's thinking.MrDollarBills wrote:These trade proposals on here are nothing short of embarrassing.
We aren't getting Irving. Frankly, I don't want him. You guys learned next to nothing from D Will.
vincecarter4pres wrote:TinmanZBoy wrote:steady wrote:
Not saying those numbers meaningless. But Cavaliers are built to have LeBron at their core.
Part of reason Kyrie trying to leave now probably because he doesn't want to be left with husk of Cavs after LeBron likely leaves to play with Lonzo and PGeorge next summer. I can't blame him...
Kryie is a great talent, no doubt... but it take a lot to win in this league... the way he plays in both ends is not conducive to win, particularly when he is your first option and he runs the offense, we don't even need to talk about defense where he is terrible...
the presence of LeBron actually saved Kyrie's career, putting him in to his right role, the second or third option
He actually wanted to leave after last season's championship win, he wanted to be a "Kobe"... but he is no Kobe
wanting to leave LeBron is quite idiotic
Idk you can legitimately say his style isn't conducive to winning. He was completely young and green his 1st 3 years and oft injured.
I don't even know we can judge his playmaking abilities and ability to run an offense, he isn't asked to do this in Cleveland.
I can see him putting up 28/8/4 on his own with a good supporting cast, but no one super ball dominate next to him.
steady wrote:vincecarter4pres wrote:TinmanZBoy wrote:
Kryie is a great talent, no doubt... but it take a lot to win in this league... the way he plays in both ends is not conducive to win, particularly when he is your first option and he runs the offense, we don't even need to talk about defense where he is terrible...
the presence of LeBron actually saved Kyrie's career, putting him in to his right role, the second or third option
He actually wanted to leave after last season's championship win, he wanted to be a "Kobe"... but he is no Kobe
wanting to leave LeBron is quite idiotic
Idk you can legitimately say his style isn't conducive to winning. He was completely young and green his 1st 3 years and oft injured.
I don't even know we can judge his playmaking abilities and ability to run an offense, he isn't asked to do this in Cleveland.
I can see him putting up 28/8/4 on his own with a good supporting cast, but no one super ball dominate next to him.
Good piece by Woj about how Kyrie requesting trade is not betrayal amd makes sense
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20125888/kyrie-irving-trade-request-shows-learned-lebron
Thanks for the honesty.MorbidHEAT wrote:My dislike for Lin started during Linsanity. It was absurd. It's probably irrational dislike at this point, but man he gets on my nerves. He's been tearing us up though.
ChokeFasncists wrote:Netaman wrote:I really think this is a great chance for the Cavs to reconfigure their roster. This is the first time I've ever thought Bill Simmons was on to something with the 3 team trades he's been proposing for the Cavs, Knicks, Suns.
Suns would get Love and deal Bledsoe and some futures.
Knicks would deal Melo and 2 futures (either 2 firsts or 1 first and the Ntklina).
Cavs would get Melo, Bledsoe, and 2 or 3 solid future assets. (plus some other role players mixed in to balance salaries etc)
Cavs get a ton of flexibility, replace 90% of Kyrie/Loves production, and add futures that could help them make moves in-season. Plus maybe they snag a few versatile role players like Jared Dudley or Courtney Lee who would specifically help matchup with the Warriors.
Suns are rebuilding tho, doubt they'd want Love, especially when they've got Dragan and Chriss
Paradise wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:According to some experts on here RHJ will be out of the in 2 years, yet he's being thrown in hypothetical trade offers for an A tier player?
Why would Cleveland take that
Exactly. Last week, he's out the league before his rookie extension. Now, he could be had for Kyrie.
Absolutely mind boggling.
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DarkXaero wrote:What does Deron have to do this? And quite frankly, your attitude towards others is nothing short of embarrassing. You can have your disagreements but you don't need to **** on other people's thinking.MrDollarBills wrote:These trade proposals on here are nothing short of embarrassing.
We aren't getting Irving. Frankly, I don't want him. You guys learned next to nothing from D Will.
DarkXaero wrote:What does Deron have to do this? And quite frankly, your attitude towards others is nothing short of embarrassing. You can have your disagreements but you don't need to **** on other people's thinking.MrDollarBills wrote:These trade proposals on here are nothing short of embarrassing.
We aren't getting Irving. Frankly, I don't want him. You guys learned next to nothing from D Will.
kamaze wrote:DarkXaero wrote:What does Deron have to do this? And quite frankly, your attitude towards others is nothing short of embarrassing. You can have your disagreements but you don't need to **** on other people's thinking.MrDollarBills wrote:These trade proposals on here are nothing short of embarrassing.
We aren't getting Irving. Frankly, I don't want him. You guys learned next to nothing from D Will.
Maybe he's talking about Deron being an established star before he came to the team(?) I don't want him either.
They just added a guard in Dlo why does Brooklyn need another star point guard? He doesn't fit the combo guard prototype Kenny likes and he's also ball dominant.
Great player he just doesn't fit the criteria imo.
Personally I'd rather build the team from the ground up (through the draft) than to buy our best players.
Last year it was still fun to watch player's they drafted play an exciting style despite the lack of wins.
There's no rush for them to win now with Sean Marks and the slow burn, it gets greater later.
Kyrie is nothing like Deron, mentality wise or playing style wise. He's unhappy in Cleveland, he would relish the challenge of being the franchise player for the team he grew up supporting. His injury record is a bit overblown, he has been fine over the last 4 seasons. 70+ games in 3 of those seasons, 53 in the other. Saying no to a very efficient 25/6 star guard with 23 PER and especially someone who grew up supporting New Jersey Nets, for a team in our situation...is just weird to me. Obviously, all of this is kinda pointless because we probably don't have the assets to get Kyrie, nor will our FO make such an offer. But if Kyrie makes it to 2019 FA, and we have capspace (which as it stands, we will)? I'd love to have him here.MrDollarBills wrote:DarkXaero wrote:What does Deron have to do this? And quite frankly, your attitude towards others is nothing short of embarrassing. You can have your disagreements but you don't need to **** on other people's thinking.MrDollarBills wrote:These trade proposals on here are nothing short of embarrassing.
We aren't getting Irving. Frankly, I don't want him. You guys learned next to nothing from D Will.
Trading for disgruntled player with only a year or two left on his deal...just not interested in walking that same path again. Plus Irving is oft injured, and I highly question the mentality of a player who values "being the man" over wanting to compete for a championship next to the world's top player. It isn't like Kyrie's usage rate was low when playing next to Lebron. He just wants to ball dominate like he did before Lebron got there and the Cavs sucked balls with him leading the way. Good luck winning games with that kind of attitude. That being said, I don't blame him for bailing on the Cavs since Lebron looks prime to jump ship anyway.
I also think that he's an idiot because he thinks the world is flat like some European ass hat from the 1400s, but that's going a bit off course.
Sorry if I offended you...but these trade proposals are pure delusion. I don't know how to say it any other way, why sugarcoat it?
Kyrie's actually more of a combo guard than a PG. He's also way ahead of D'Angelo Russell. Russell likely won't ever even become a very efficient 25/6 player. I don't see why they have to be compared anyway, I think they could coexist fine, if they both improved defensively. On offense, it shouldn't be an issue, both are fairly versatile skillset wise.kamaze wrote:DarkXaero wrote:What does Deron have to do this? And quite frankly, your attitude towards others is nothing short of embarrassing. You can have your disagreements but you don't need to **** on other people's thinking.MrDollarBills wrote:These trade proposals on here are nothing short of embarrassing.
We aren't getting Irving. Frankly, I don't want him. You guys learned next to nothing from D Will.
Maybe he's talking about Deron being an established star before he came to the team(?) I don't want him either.
They just added a guard in Dlo why does Brooklyn need another star point guard? He doesn't fit the combo guard prototype Kenny likes and he's also ball dominant.
Great player he just doesn't fit the criteria imo.
Personally I'd rather build the team from the ground up (through the draft) than to buy our best players.
Last year it was still fun to watch player's they drafted play an exciting style despite the lack of wins.
There's no rush for them to win now with Sean Marks and the slow burn, it gets greater later.
DarkXaero wrote:Kyrie's actually more of a combo guard than a PG. He's also way ahead of D'Angelo Russell. Russell likely won't ever even become a very efficient 25/6 player. I don't see why they have to be compared anyway, I think they could coexist fine, if they both improved defensively. On offense, it shouldn't be an issue, both are fairly versatile skillset wise.
