2017 Nets Vegas Summer League

[shakendfries]

Yeah, if guys aren't finished products by age 22, trade them. thank god there are adults in charge of the Nets who aren't as shortsighted.

Newsflash: Age does not guarantee development.

The same arguments were used for RJ/Kmart back in the days for their lack of skill, and both were far more developed than RHJ at the same age. They also were better "fits" for their natural positions for the time they were playing (RJ at SF, Kmart at PF). Both did make improvements, but neither made sizeable improvements that took them anywhere beyond the heights they achieved as a Net.

That's my argument vs. RHJ I think. The gap he has to cover to develop his NBA-level skill is so wide that while I can see him developing, I don't see him developing to the point that he becomes such an untouchable player that we can't trade him.

it's one thing if he just needs to bulk up. It's one thing if he just needs to get better at shooting. or if he needs to get better at ball handling.

RHJ needs to do all three of those while continuing to hone his mental game.

There is only so much a player can work on in the offseason

Consequentially, the New Jersey Nets became a treadmill Eastern Conference team once Kmart left

[MrDollarBills]

Yeah, if guys aren't finished products by age 22, trade them. thank god there are adults in charge of the Nets who aren't as shortsighted.

Newsflash: Age does not guarantee development.

The same arguments were used for RJ/Kmart back in the days for their lack of skill, and both were far more developed than RHJ at the same age. They also were better "fits" for their natural positions for the time they were playing (RJ at SF, Kmart at PF). Both did make improvements, but neither made sizeable improvements that took them anywhere beyond the heights they achieved as a Net.

That's my argument vs. RHJ I think. The gap he has to cover to develop his NBA-level skill is so wide that while I can see him developing, I don't see him developing to the point that he becomes such an untouchable player that we can't trade him.

it's one thing if he just needs to bulk up. It's one thing if he just needs to get better at shooting. or if he needs to get better at ball handling.

RHJ needs to do all three of those while continuing to hone his mental game.

There is only so much a player can work on in the offseason

Correct, it doesn't guarantee anything. It does however require a bit of patience to give guys a chance. I don't think he's untouchable, I just don't want to cap off his ceiling as a player at this stage of the game. He's got a lot of work ahead no doubt about it, which is why I have also said I cannot fathom him getting a big extension when his time comes unless he puts an impressive season as PF.

I thought RJ came a long way from how he first started out. K-Mart OTOH didn't really improve a bit.

[steady]

Ok - I thought I was over the SL loss to Lakers. But I m not.

Every time I see all the press Lonzo Ball is getting I think what it would have meant for Nets young guys confidence amd culture to get that win. What it would have also meant for their development to have at least one amd possibly two more games of SL playoffs under their belt

I could not be a bigger Atkinson fan but if his substitutions continue to trend more towards play by the numbers - player development focus rather than focusing on bigger picture of establishing a winning culture -- and responding to and controlling momentum changes in a game -- at least sometimes I am going to blow a gasket this season

The third quarter was where the Nets lost their lead and their composure and they could get neither back after that

How many minutes did the Nets starters play together in third quarter? 2 1/2 minutes because Whitehead who was playing fine, was subbed out for Archie and he did not return for the rest of the quarter. While Lakers ran with their strongest players for most of quarter

To give a contrast between the Lakers approach to player development in this game (to win) and the Nets (to give max number of players some playing time) consider this:

The Lakers top five performing players each played over 26 minutes - - with their two best ((Lonzo and Blue) playing 34 and 35 minutes . Then they had two player at about 15 minutes and a couple around 6 minutes. So essentially 7 man rotation plus 2 players with minor minutes

The Nets -- top five players essentially each played about five minutes less than the Lakers top five players. And the fifth player Archie was given 21 minutes -- including 7 1/2 crucial 3rd quarter minutes when Nets saw 9 point lead change -- even though he was not playing well. By contrast the Lakers limited Zubacs minutes to 15 when they saw he was not playing well. Even though he is one of their key cogs.

The Nets played 11 players total and gave significant playing time to 9 players. Including putting in a very raw Jacob Riley at four minutes left in 3rd quarter when Nets still had 4 point lead.

At that point we had Dinwiddie Archie Riley Murphy LeVert against

Lonzo. Blue, Thomas Caruso. Wear - - with all but Wear being among their top five performers

A minute later we subbed in Milton Doyle for LeVert
So essentially Lonzo amd three of their best players against Dinwiddie and a bunch of really raw talent at end of SL bench

Two minutes later Lonzo is subbed out after playing 9 straight minutes amd with Lakers ahead by 3 -- after an 11 point lead change

[MrDollarBills]

it's summer league.

[Prokorov]

Yeah, if guys aren't finished products by age 22, trade them. thank god there are adults in charge of the Nets who aren't as shortsighted.

Newsflash: Age does not guarantee development.

The same arguments were used for RJ/Kmart back in the days for their lack of skill, and both were far more developed than RHJ at the same age. They also were better "fits" for their natural positions for the time they were playing (RJ at SF, Kmart at PF). Both did make improvements, but neither made sizeable improvements that took them anywhere beyond the heights they achieved as a Net.

That's my argument vs. RHJ I think. The gap he has to cover to develop his NBA-level skill is so wide that while I can see him developing, I don't see him developing to the point that he becomes such an untouchable player that we can't trade him.

it's one thing if he just needs to bulk up. It's one thing if he just needs to get better at shooting. or if he needs to get better at ball handling.

RHJ needs to do all three of those while continuing to hone his mental game.

There is only so much a player can work on in the offseason

Consequentially, the New Jersey Nets became a treadmill Eastern Conference team once Kmart left

[Prokorov]

Newsflash: Age does not guarantee development.

No but it is one of if not the biggest factor

The same arguments were used for RJ/Kmart back in the days for their lack of skill, and both were far more developed than RHJ at the same age. They also were better "fits" for their natural positions for the time they were playing (RJ at SF, Kmart at PF). Both did make improvements, but neither made sizeable improvements that took them anywhere beyond the heights they achieved as a Net.

Ummm OF COURSE kenyon martin was further along at 22 then RHJ is... kenyon martin was the #1 overall pick in the draft.
.. so year, he should be furhter along then a late first rounder who missed almost his entire first year with an injury. And Kenyon was on an allstar trajectory before the major injuries...

Martin was a 17/10/1.5 player, all-nba calibur defender and an nba all-star his last year as a net. then after singing a big deal with denver needed microfracture surgery and it was all down hill from there.

RJ didnt develop much? he went from a bench player to a 22/7/4 guy. he went from a brick layer to a 40+ percent three point shooter.

At age 21 richard jefferson shot 23% from three
at age 22 richard jefferson shot 25% from three

6 of the last 8 seasons he has been 40% or better from three. yet thats not improvement?

That's my argument vs. RHJ I think. The gap he has to cover to develop his NBA-level skill is so wide that while I can see him developing, I don't see him developing to the point that he becomes such an untouchable player that we can't trade him.

it's one thing if he just needs to bulk up. It's one thing if he just needs to get better at shooting. or if he needs to get better at ball handling.

RHJ needs to do all three of those while continuing to hone his mental game.

There is only so much a player can work on in the offseason

I mean, he is already an elite defender. and im not sure why he cant improve his shooting and scoring

[Prokorov]

Ok - I thought I was over the SL loss to Lakers. But I m not.

Every time I see all the press Lonzo Ball is getting I think what it would have meant for Nets young guys confidence amd culture to get that win. What it would have also meant for their development to have at least one amd possibly two more games of SL playoffs under their belt

is this post for real? are we really worry about the results of summer league games? im sorry, but if your confidence is shaken by summer league then you probably arent going to cut it in the nba anyhow.

I could not be a bigger Atkinson fan but if his substitutions continue to trend more towards play by the numbers - player development focus rather than focusing on bigger picture of establishing a winning culture -- and responding to and controlling momentum changes in a game -- at least sometimes I am going to blow a gasket this season

dedicating minutes to player development IS how you build a winning culutre. you show faith and investment in your guys. show then you want to make them better and they will go through a wall for you... they will buy in.

young guys being benched so stop gap vets can eek out a 32 win season isnt how you build anything but a steamping pile of dung.

wins dont matter. developing the young kids and building culture does.

[steady]

Ok - I thought I was over the SL loss to Lakers. But I m not.

Every time I see all the press Lonzo Ball is getting I think what it would have meant for Nets young guys confidence amd culture to get that win. What it would have also meant for their development to have at least one amd possibly two more games of SL playoffs under their belt

is this post for real? are we really worry about the results of summer league games? im sorry, but if your confidence is shaken by summer league then you probably arent going to cut it in the nba anyhow.

I could not be a bigger Atkinson fan but if his substitutions continue to trend more towards play by the numbers - player development focus rather than focusing on bigger picture of establishing a winning culture -- and responding to and controlling momentum changes in a game -- at least sometimes I am going to blow a gasket this season

dedicating minutes to player development IS how you build a winning culutre. you show faith and investment in your guys. show then you want to make them better and they will go through a wall for you... they will buy in.

young guys being benched so stop gap vets can eek out a 32 win season isnt how you build anything but a steamping pile of dung.

wins dont matter. developing the young kids and building culture does.

I agree with you about developing young core . I am good with making development of Russell, LeVert, RHJ, Whitehead, Dinwiddie, Jarrett Allen ...a priority. I just think Nets could have beat that Lakers team and that would have been good for their development

[MrDollarBills]

The problem is that guys are sitting here judging players who are basically children in NBA years or writing them all off as finished products before any of them have hit age 25. You have people writing off Russell right now even after a 15 4 5 season. LeVert being called out for being a less than 35% 3PT shooter after half a rookie season. RHJ being called for as out of the league within a year despite him statistically being one of the best defenders in the **** ing sport. It's ridiculous.

I seriously think that there are Net fans that would rather just treadmill for 42 wins a year instead of actually seeing the franchise take the steps, sometimes painful, yet necessary ones to build a sustainable winning program piece by piece, just to appease their sense of entitlement or instant gratification complex.

do you guys really want to build a team, or do you just want a quick fix? you guys can call me an ass hole or whatever, but I do not think this front office is going to acquiesce to some of the impatience and short sighted takes on here or on NetsDaily for that matter. This is not a god damn sprint. Open your eyes.

[MrDollarBills]

Ok - I thought I was over the SL loss to Lakers. But I m not.

Every time I see all the press Lonzo Ball is getting I think what it would have meant for Nets young guys confidence amd culture to get that win. What it would have also meant for their development to have at least one amd possibly two more games of SL playoffs under their belt

is this post for real? are we really worry about the results of summer league games? im sorry, but if your confidence is shaken by summer league then you probably arent going to cut it in the nba anyhow.

I could not be a bigger Atkinson fan but if his substitutions continue to trend more towards play by the numbers - player development focus rather than focusing on bigger picture of establishing a winning culture -- and responding to and controlling momentum changes in a game -- at least sometimes I am going to blow a gasket this season

dedicating minutes to player development IS how you build a winning culutre. you show faith and investment in your guys. show then you want to make them better and they will go through a wall for you... they will buy in.

young guys being benched so stop gap vets can eek out a 32 win season isnt how you build anything but a steamping pile of dung.

wins dont matter. developing the young kids and building culture does.

I agree with you about developing young core . I am good with making development of Russell, LeVert, RHJ, Whitehead, Dinwiddie, Jarrett Allen ...a priority. I just think Nets could have beat that Lakers team and that would have good for their development

hey. I get you. How about this though...lets beat them twice from November til April. That's what will matter.

When we have #Dloading on the floor versus their squad with a chip on his shoulder on the road with Magic Johnson in the audience. With Jeremy Lin next to him in the backcourt. RHJ all over the place. LeVert/Carroll manning the 3 spot

we're going to go in on more than a few teams this season. watch.

[MrDollarBills]

Ok - I thought I was over the SL loss to Lakers. But I m not.

Every time I see all the press Lonzo Ball is getting I think what it would have meant for Nets young guys confidence amd culture to get that win. What it would have also meant for their development to have at least one amd possibly two more games of SL playoffs under their belt

is this post for real? are we really worry about the results of summer league games? im sorry, but if your confidence is shaken by summer league then you probably arent going to cut it in the nba anyhow.

I could not be a bigger Atkinson fan but if his substitutions continue to trend more towards play by the numbers - player development focus rather than focusing on bigger picture of establishing a winning culture -- and responding to and controlling momentum changes in a game -- at least sometimes I am going to blow a gasket this season

dedicating minutes to player development IS how you build a winning culutre. you show faith and investment in your guys. show then you want to make them better and they will go through a wall for you... they will buy in.

young guys being benched so stop gap vets can eek out a 32 win season isnt how you build anything but a steamping pile of dung.

wins dont matter. developing the young kids and building culture does.

correct.

I think that though, we will win some games that we don't have any business winning. I like the fit of some of these pieces on this team. especially if Carroll is healthy, and Russell buys in 100%.