Around the league 2017-2018

Post #321 » by **sixers hoops** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 5:42 pm

JojoSlimbiid wrote:Mavericks aren't gonna outbid themselves and Nerlens likely hasn't gotten the fat offer sheet he was hoping for. Makes negotiations hard.

I really don't know Nerlens value around the league, but without teams like the Nets or Knicks signing him to an insane contract, restricted free agents are in a tough spot. I guess the Nets don't think he is worth the max bid, or they are more easily scared off by Dallas' ability to match than the Wiz were with Porter.

Unbreakable99 · Post #322 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 6:19 pm

Chris76 wrote:
Arsenal wrote:Kyrie is super overrated. It is smart for the Cavs to ship him if they get value. If the reported trade for Eric Bledsoe AND Paul George was on the table and they said no (for any reason), they are fools.

If Kyrie is your best player, you'll be lucky to make the playoffs.

GSW set the bar very high, especially with Durant taking a discount. Lebron needs to partner with an elite big, Porzingis, Anthony Davis, or Embiid. Not sure what's possible money wise:

Kyrie + Love for Carmello + Porzingis
Kyrie + Love for Anthony Davis + Jrue

Not sure teams want to help Lebron, but a quick move is probably necessary or he could see his domination fade away.

The Knicks aren't trading KP and the Pelicans aren't trading Davis.

Post #323 » by **sixers hoops** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:58 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:
Chris76 wrote:
Arsenal wrote:Kyrie is super overrated. It is smart for the Cavs to ship him if they get value. If the reported trade for Eric Bledsoe AND Paul George was on the table and they said no (for any reason), they are fools.

If Kyrie is your best player, you'll be lucky to make the playoffs.

GSW set the bar very high, especially with Durant taking a discount. Lebron needs to partner with an elite big, Porzingis, Anthony Davis, or Embiid. Not sure what's possible money wise:

Kyrie + Love for Carmello + Porzingis
Kyrie + Love for Anthony Davis + Jrue

Not sure teams want to help Lebron, but a quick move is probably necessary or he could see his domination fade away.

The Knicks aren't trading KP and the Pelicans aren't trading Davis.

Davis for Kyrie is really bad for NO.

Mrcrockpots · Post #324 » by **Mrcrockpots** » Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:05 pm

Chris Haynes‏Verified account @ChrisBHaynes

ESPN Sources: On Kyrie Irving front, Cavs were given four preferred landing spots: New York, Miami, San Antonio, Minnesota.

Ericb5 · Post #325 » by **Ericb5** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:13 am

Mrcrockpots wrote:Chris Haynes‏Verified account @ChrisBHaynes

ESPN Sources: On Kyrie Irving front, Cavs were given four preferred landing spots: New York, Miami, San Antonio, Minnesota.

NY has nothing other than Porzingis, who shouldn't be traded.

Miami has nothing period.

San Antonio won't trade Kawhi obviously, and I'm not sure what else they can trade.

Minnesota could trade Wiggins I suppose.

Kyrie has really put the Cavs in a bad spot here. He should have made his intentions known before the draft.

Now the only teams that could really give value for him would be horrible teams trading future lottery picks, which won't help the Cavs this year.

I'm sorry, but Kyrie wanting out of Cleveland at this point is a character flaw in my mind. He should be ecstatic to play with Lebron, and even if he isn't, the team becomes his next year if Lebron leaves.

I don't see how this ends well for him or the Cavs at this point. He just threw a grenade into the locker room of the second best team in the league, for his personal glorification.

Great talent. Bad teammate.

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Mrcrockpots · Post #326 » by **Mrcrockpots** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:22 am

Couldn't agree more. I want nothing to do with Kyrie Irving.

Philly sports talk radio has been talking about trading for Kyrie. Just baffling :banghead:

MountainDrew · Post #327 » by **MountainDrew** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:26 am

Imagine Wiggins being traded back to Cleveland after they didnt want him as a rookie. Awkward af

Unbreakable99 · Post #328 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:44 am

Ericb5 wrote:
Mrcrockpots wrote:Chris Haynes‏Verified account @ChrisBHaynes

ESPN Sources: On Kyrie Irving front, Cavs were given four preferred landing spots: New York, Miami, San Antonio, Minnesota.

NY has nothing other than Porzingis, who shouldn't be traded.

Miami has nothing period.

San Antonio won't trade Kawhi obviously, and I'm not sure what else they can trade.

Minnesota could trade Wiggins I suppose.

Kyrie has really put the Cavs in a bad spot here. He should have made his intentions known before the draft.

Now the only teams that could really give value for him would be horrible teams trading future lottery picks, which won't help the Cavs this year.

I'm sorry, but Kyrie wanting out of Cleveland at this point is a character flaw in my mind. He should be ecstatic to play with Lebron, and even if he isn't, the team becomes his next year if Lebron leaves.

I don't see how this ends well for him or the Cavs at this point. He just threw a grenade into the locker room of the second best team in the league, for his personal glorification.

Great talent. Bad teammate.

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I read Kyrie did tell the Cavs he wanted to be traded before the draft.

shawn_hemp · Post #329 » by **shawn_hemp** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:48 am

Wiggins for Kyrie does make a lot of sense though. That is really what the Cavs should do, as they can't really get much back for him now. And the TWolves could do better than Jeff Teague for their aspirations now.

They are expected to make the playoffs with Butler now, and Kyrie would probably make them a top 4 seed

Post #330 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:50 am

shawn_hemp wrote:Wiggins for Kyrie does make a lot of sense though. That is really what the Cavs should do

Why does Minnesota do that?

shawn_hemp · Post #331 » by **shawn_hemp** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:55 am

Minny could just play Butler at SF and maybe ask for Iman Shumpert or JR Smith to keep Crawford as a reserve

Idk I just would rather pair Kyrie with Butler than Wiggins with Butler. They probably won't trade Wiggins though

Eyeamok · Post #332 » by **Eyeamok** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:05 am

I think this is all just smoke and mirrors. Ownership and Kyrie will come to some sort of an agreement and all will be well in Cleveland. At least for this season. Next season LBJ leaves and Kyrie has his own team.

the_process · Post #333 » by **the_process** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:11 am

HartfordWhalers wrote:
shawn_hemp wrote:Wiggins for Kyrie does make a lot of sense though. That is really what the Cavs should do

Why does Minnesota do that?

Why does Cleveland do that?

Ericb5 · Post #334 » by **Ericb5** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:19 am

HartfordWhalers wrote:
shawn_hemp wrote:Wiggins for Kyrie does make a lot of sense though. That is really what the Cavs should do

Why does Minnesota do that?

Minnesota does it because Kyrie is a better player.

The question is, why would Cleveland do it?

Swapping Kyrie for Wiggins makes Cleveland worse.

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Ericb5 · Post #335 » by **Ericb5** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:21 am

Unbreakable99 wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
Mrcrockpots wrote:Chris Haynes‏Verified account @ChrisBHaynes

ESPN Sources: On Kyrie Irving front, Cavs were given four preferred landing spots: New York, Miami, San Antonio, Minnesota.

NY has nothing other than Porzingis, who shouldn't be traded.

Miami has nothing period.

San Antonio won't trade Kawhi obviously, and I'm not sure what else they can trade.

Minnesota could trade Wiggins I suppose.

Kyrie has really put the Cavs in a bad spot here. He should have made his intentions known before the draft.

Now the only teams that could really give value for him would be horrible teams trading future lottery picks, which won't help the Cavs this year.

I'm sorry, but Kyrie wanting out of Cleveland at this point is a character flaw in my mind. He should be ecstatic to play with Lebron, and even if he isn't, the team becomes his next year if Lebron leaves.

I don't see how this ends well for him or the Cavs at this point. He just threw a grenade into the locker room of the second best team in the league, for his personal glorification.

Great talent. Bad teammate.

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I read Kyrie did tell the Cavs he wanted to be traded before the draft.

If that is true then that is one brownie point. Being asked to be traded at all is the problem though.

How can he possibly be unhappy on this team?

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76ciology · Post #336 » by **76ciology** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 4:53 am

If Knicks drafted DSJ instead of Ntilikina, I'm pretty sure they'd be frontrunners with a packaged of DSJ+Melo for Kyrie.

oken · Post #337 » by **oken** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:36 am

Can we get our pick back?

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Chris76 · Post #338 » by **Chris76** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:38 pm

sixers hoops wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:
Chris76 wrote:
GSW set the bar very high, especially with Durant taking a discount. Lebron needs to partner with an elite big, Porzingis, Anthony Davis, or Embiid. Not sure what's possible money wise:

Kyrie + Love for Carmello + Porzingis
Kyrie + Love for Anthony Davis + Jrue

Not sure teams want to help Lebron, but a quick move is probably necessary or he could see his domination fade away.

The Knicks aren't trading KP and the Pelicans aren't trading Davis.

Davis for Kyrie is really bad for NO.

How about Lebron + JR for Cousins + NO 1st 2018?
LeBron and AD would be exciting.
Kyrie, Love, and Cousins is not bad, however might be bad at defense?

Kobblehead · Post #339 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:40 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:
shawn_hemp wrote:Wiggins for Kyrie does make a lot of sense though. That is really what the Cavs should do

Why does Minnesota do that?

So they don't get stuck with a negative value player on an albatross max contract.

the_process · Post #340 » by **the_process** » Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:50 pm

oken wrote:Can we get our pick back?

Read on Twitter

Gotta ask Orlando :lol: