Windhorst: Kyrie Irving asked to be traded last week (Spurs, Heat, Wolves, Knicks) Updt pg. 30

[BeatDaCavs420]

I am shocked not too many Celtic fans are saying IT is better than Irving and this trade would be dumb

Good Job guys!

[3Diamantidis]

So kyrie seems to believe that it was lebron who made public his trade request....lol
Pop corn ain't enough for what will follow from now on.

The "cupcake" blew up the entire cavs organization.

[bmurph128]

I want nothing to do with IT, although if I'm the Cavs I'd have no problem trading Kyrie to an Eastern Conference team. As long as the Cavs have LeBron, whatever team Kyrie goes to isn't going to beat us.

Although on the flip side, it would be fun to watch so many Western Conference fans do a 180 on Kyrie so that they can say "the top 5 PGs all play in the West"

[John Murdoch]

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Its funny but thats basically what realgm is for us dudes lol

[Da ThRONe]

Kyrie is better and will age better but it's funny that neither are good defenders but only IT gets **** for it. IT tore up John Wall in the playoffs who is supposed to be a shutdown defender.

Wall is a slightly above par defender. But to your point it's funny how that works where one player can get killed for something and another player gets a total pass. I agree with you that Irving will likely hold up better aswell.

[whysoserious]

So Kyrie tired of playing Robin and has 3 teams identified he'd go to play with where he'd be Robin...

[Steelo Green]

Tony Rizzo from ESPN Cleveland is saying Kyrie will not come back for sure. Not sure the value of what he says, but just throwing it out there.

[CelticsLV]

I am shocked not too many Celtic fans are saying IT is better than Irving and this trade would be dumb

Good Job guys!

I am not shocked you came to another Celtics related thread to talk *** about Celtics or their fanbase. You really like to show your jealousy towards Celtics.

Good Job! At least you're very open about it. You're still stuck in 2nd stage of your grief, 3 more to go.

[Steelo Green]

Eh. He's fringe top 10.

Off the top of my head -

Jordan
Wilt
LeBron
Kareem
Shaq
Magic
Bird
Duncan
Russell
Olajuwan
Roberston

All have claim to be better than Kobe. Personally, Kobe would be 11th or 12th for me.

Oh stop. As if there will ever be a definitive list. All I know is Lebron's career will end with three rings, so keep thanking Durant for it...keep those hate threads coming .

The reality is Lebron is fringe top 10. He's got too many losses, too many mental breakdowns in finals situations. And e's going to decline now, and as he declines people won't think so highly of him. It's just the way sports is. And why in the world would anyone put Lebron over Kareem or Magic? Let me guess, Lebron is better because he lost more, and ring chased. This is such a Lebron-forum.

There there guys, it will be ok. Keep pretending Lebron doesn't need to win more though to come close to the top 5. Even Barkley said Lebron isn't up there with Kobe yet, and Barkley pretty much hates Kobe.

Lebron is clear cut better. Kobe fans run to rings when they need to. Rings are a part of the argument sure but not the argument entirely. We can't look at things in a vacuum for the sake of argument. Kobe was #2 to Shaq and though he played a vital role, won two as the focal point. We can go on for hours and LA fans will disagree so no need to continue the argument.

I do find it funny that you mention Kareem and Magic as guys also ahead of Lebron and can't even hide the bias. And no, you could have hid it without using Laker players, so I will not accept that it just happens to be that way.

This isn't a Lebron forum. I hate the guy but any unbiased basketball fan would pick Lebron over Kobe and if asked to start a franchise pick Lebron 100/100 times.

[antonac]

would doing the trade straight give the Cavs cap space? or are they so far over the limit that even swapping Irving's contract for ITs small one would still have them over. if they can clear enough to throw a decent contract at Wade (he absolutely no way plays for a vet minimum) then it's a good deal.

tbh if I'm boston I would do it, you get a solid scorer and sort out your PG position, at the very least Kyrie is tradeable next season whereas IT is either a big contract that no one is touching or away to pastures new.

if I'm the Cavs I'd probably want Crowder in there too unless that cap space thing means they can bring in someone else. IT is horribley under-rated and is basically a like for like replacement for Kyrie only a lot more efficient. Cavs are getting the better player in exchange for having to deal with IT's contract and giving up the extra years Kyrie has on the clock.

I don't see what the point of asking boston to include picks is, it's not like had the Cavs drafted Tatum or Brown or Fultz they would have seen much court time in the play-offs, which is pretty much all the Cavs care about. so they get one player who is potentially quite decent after LeBron is retiring (or playing a reduced role) so what? even if he was Anthony Davis levels good, Davis is showing just how pointless that is when you don't have any other parts of a roster around him, everyone knows he's bolting from NOLA as soon as he hits FA and doubtlessly and I don't see the pelicans making it further than the 2nd round in the next couple of years.

[turk3d]

Although I agree that Kyrie is better, he has said he wants out which puts the onus on Cleveland to move him somewhat but, having said that, it's conceivable that IT would be a better fit in Cleveland. After all he is more of a true PG and (which Cleveland needs). I can see him and Lebron going to town on P&R.

He also makes Love a better player for them. He also won't have to kill him trying to provide all the scoring for them as he did in Boston. I think that it would be a good move on both their parts if they could come up with something. Kyrie gives them the top scorer they could really use. Maybe Boston has to give up something else, I don't know, perhaps one of their draft picks that they're hoarding.

[antonac]

He also makes Love a better player for them. He also won't have to kill Himmler trying to provide all the scoring for them as he did in Boston. I think that it would be a good move on both their parts if they could come up with something. Kyrie gives them the top scorer they could really use. Maybe Boston has to give up something else, I don't know, perhaps one of their draft picks that they're hoarding.

er..... do you write "Himmler" so much your spellcheck has defaulted to that or you think about Himmler so much you did it yourself?

[Da ThRONe]

To answer the question if I'm Boston yes I'd trade Thomas and fillers for Irving. If for no other reason than to delay having to pay Thomas. They are basically the same player with Irving being bigger and having slightly more skills which ages well and Thomas being more explosive which fades.

[brackdan70]

I am shocked not too many Celtic fans are saying IT is better than Irving and this trade would be dumb

Good Job guys!

I think most Cs fans understand that IT is not better than Kyrie, but the problem here is the Salary that would need to be added to make it happen.

Crowder and IT is not enough to make it work under the CBA...so Cs have to add additional rotation guys to make it work and then the Value becomes a little iffy.

[brackdan70]

To answer the question if I'm Boston yes I'd trade Thomas and fillers for Irving. If for no other reason than to delay having to pay Thomas. They are basically the same player with Irving being bigger and having slightly more skills which ages well and Thomas being more explosive which fades.

Problem is there are no fillers. Crowder, Brown, Rozier, or some combo that adds up to at leas 7.6 million need to be added to IT.

makes is tricky and not likely.

[Da ThRONe]

To answer the question if I'm Boston yes I'd trade Thomas and fillers for Irving. If for no other reason than to delay having to pay Thomas. They are basically the same player with Irving being bigger and having slightly more skills which ages well and Thomas being more explosive which fades.

Problem is there are no fillers. Crowder, Brown, Rozier, or some combo that adds up to at leas 7.6 million need to be added to IT.

makes is tricky and not likely.

That's a good point. I hadn't look at the details of any trade more just responding to the OP's question.

[FlatearthZorro]

should the cavs??

yeah, that's the flipside nobody is mentioning.

I say the C's don't do it for continuity/chemistry. But I say the Cavs CAN'T do it because IT is a selfish little ball dominant dude with absolutely no hope of being able to work with LeBron, or anybody else who needs the ball. You get all the problems of Kyrie in that spot, x2, and with less versatility and a hopeless defensive frame.

Again proving you're a casual fan. IT is one of the least ball dominant 30 ppg scorers in NBA history. At least check the facts it's not that hard.

[Seabass11]

Following framework for a trade: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yd5j5p5n

Cavs get: Cousins and Bledsoe
Cavs out: TT and Irving
Cavs get a better center (but offset by Cousin's one-year deal) and a replacement for Irving at PG. Great return but next summer would be important FA time with both Cousins and Lebron up for contracts.

Pelicans get: TT and Irving
Pelicans Out: Cousins, picks
Pelicans get a replacement for Cousins in TT and Irving, both signed for at least 2 years

Phoenix get: garbage for now
Phoenix out: Bledsoe
Bledsoe doesn't fit in the youth movement in Phoenix. This trade proposal must be extended so a decent picks/young player package can be constructed as return for Phoenix.

I like this a lot for the Cavs and for the Pels lol but not quite sure whats in it for the Suns. Do either the Cavs/Pels have any young assets/picks to give them?

[TheKingOfVa360]

Kyrie is better and will age better but it's funny that neither are good defenders but only IT gets **** for it. IT tore up John Wall in the playoffs who is supposed to be a shutdown defender.

He never tore up John Wall. Bradley Beal guarded him 90 percent of the time. Wall only guarded him a few plays.

[Fantaxp7]

IT by the numbers had a better and more efficient scoring year than Kyrie. It is general opinion that that Kyrie is better even though the numbers say otherwise.

But regardless I'd rather have Kyrie for reasons mentioned here. Age, salary implications and potential health (IT hasn't been cleared since that hip injury).

It will be interesting to see what happens. the Cavs aren't really in a position to get a major haul for him seeing as it's a similar situation that PG had (or worse)....and I'm afraid the Cavs front office will do something stupid.