How Much Would you offer AB right Now?

[A_dub06]

I'll pay whatever it takes to keep avery here. I don't agree with a lot of what Bill Simmons says but I agree with his thoughts when assembling a team... "How many players on team X would be able to stay on the floor in a Cavs/Warriors finals? Those are the guys you need."

Avery is for sure on that floor. Maybe Tobias depending on who he's guarding and..............yeah.

Can't let Avery go.

The problem with this logic is you actually need to be able to get to the conference finals, paying one guy that's slightly above average and plays on both sides of the court "whatever it takes" when the rest of your roster is average at best is poor cap management.

Simmons has a point but I think that's more in reference to a stars supporting cast than the actual stars themselves. We have no star or a way of getting one.....


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[Pharaoh]

While I believe AB is a good player and would help us this season, I don't think he will be worth the money and we should trade him mid-year. Lets be real for a second, lets assume Reggie gets back to his play two seasons ago and Drummond has a 15ppg & 14rpg season, in that scenario we would probably finish 4th-7th and thats the best we could hope for. If thats this teams ceiling, do we really want to further hurt our cap by signing a non all-star calibre player to a large contract? Also, look at AB's games played per season from basketball reference (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bradlav01.html):

2010-11: 31 (38%)
2011-12: 64 (78%)
2012-13: 50 (61%)
2013-14: 60 (73%)
2014-15: 77 (94%)
2015-16: 76 (93%)
2016-17: 55 (67%)

This to me doesn't instil confidence and I would much rather force feed Kennard minutes and look towards our future, than take the chance on AB having an injury free contract with us. Regardless of anyones opinion on AB's talent, that injury history is alarm bells to me. I say trade him this season for a draft pick and be done with these short sighted moves

While I agree he has a missed a lot if games through injury:

I believe he was healthy for most of last season and Boston rested him because of his history.

Obviously dude wouldn't have played 80 games but I think it would have been 70+

Which gives him 3 years in a row playing 90% of games.

You can probably throw out 2010-11 too

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[A_dub06]

While I believe AB is a good player and would help us this season, I don't think he will be worth the money and we should trade him mid-year. Lets be real for a second, lets assume Reggie gets back to his play two seasons ago and Drummond has a 15ppg & 14rpg season, in that scenario we would probably finish 4th-7th and thats the best we could hope for. If thats this teams ceiling, do we really want to further hurt our cap by signing a non all-star calibre player to a large contract? Also, look at AB's games played per season from basketball reference (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bradlav01.html):

2010-11: 31 (38%)
2011-12: 64 (78%)
2012-13: 50 (61%)
2013-14: 60 (73%)
2014-15: 77 (94%)
2015-16: 76 (93%)
2016-17: 55 (67%)

This to me doesn't instil confidence and I would much rather force feed Kennard minutes and look towards our future, than take the chance on AB having an injury free contract with us. Regardless of anyones opinion on AB's talent, that injury history is alarm bells to me. I say trade him this season for a draft pick and be done with these short sighted moves

While I agree he has a missed a lot if games through injury:

I believe he was healthy for most of last season and Boston rested him because of his history.

Obviously dude wouldn't have played 80 games but I think it would have been 70+

Which gives him 3 years in a row playing 90% of games.

You can probably throw out 2010-11 too

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Dude he played 55 games last season, there is no way the team gunning for the #1 seed rested their starting 2-guard for 15+ games. He sat out due to injury, all of which are well documented and until you can provide a link or credible proof they "rested" him, my point stands. Even if they rested him due to history which they didn't, isn't that a troubling sign? Have a look at this article which doesn't show the duration of each injury but lists what they were (http://www.foxsports.com/nba/avery-bradley-player-injuries). He's had multiple injuries of many differing kinds, which to me spells trouble. Some guys simply have a body made of glass, and to me AB pretty much has one. Look at our fellow countryman Andrew Bogut, he's had so many injuries and all unrelated but his health has been a concern for a very long time. I don't know why you are trying to make AB sound more durable than what he is, but I'm very interested to hear where you are getting your information from.

Also, I forgot to include that AB got injured in game 1 of the playoffs during 2016 against the Atlanta Hawks and missed the rest of the series, which the ultimately lost. Many Celtics fans sight AB's injury as the reason they lost. This is not a guy we want to give $20m+ to.

[Pharaoh]

While I believe AB is a good player and would help us this season, I don't think he will be worth the money and we should trade him mid-year. Lets be real for a second, lets assume Reggie gets back to his play two seasons ago and Drummond has a 15ppg & 14rpg season, in that scenario we would probably finish 4th-7th and thats the best we could hope for. If thats this teams ceiling, do we really want to further hurt our cap by signing a non all-star calibre player to a large contract? Also, look at AB's games played per season from basketball reference (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bradlav01.html):

2010-11: 31 (38%)
2011-12: 64 (78%)
2012-13: 50 (61%)
2013-14: 60 (73%)
2014-15: 77 (94%)
2015-16: 76 (93%)
2016-17: 55 (67%)

This to me doesn't instil confidence and I would much rather force feed Kennard minutes and look towards our future, than take the chance on AB having an injury free contract with us. Regardless of anyones opinion on AB's talent, that injury history is alarm bells to me. I say trade him this season for a draft pick and be done with these short sighted moves

While I agree he has a missed a lot if games through injury:

I believe he was healthy for most of last season and Boston rested him because of his history.

Obviously dude wouldn't have played 80 games but I think it would have been 70+

Which gives him 3 years in a row playing 90% of games.

You can probably throw out 2010-11 too

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Dude he played 55 games last season, there is no way the team gunning for the #1 seed rested their starting 2-guard for 15+ games. He sat out due to injury, all of which are well documented and until you can provide a link or credible proof they "rested" him, my point stands. Even if they rested him due to history which they didn't, isn't that a troubling sign? Have a look at this article which doesn't show the duration of each injury but lists what they were (http://www.foxsports.com/nba/avery-bradley-player-injuries). He's had multiple injuries of many differing kinds, which to me spells trouble. Some guys simply have a body made of glass, and to me AB pretty much has one. Look at our fellow countryman Andrew Bogut, he's had so many injuries and all unrelated but his health has been a concern for a very long time. I don't know why you are trying to make AB sound more durable than what he is, but I'm very interested to hear where you are getting your information from.

Also, I forgot to include that AB got injured in game 1 of the playoffs during 2016 against the Atlanta Hawks and missed the rest of the series, which the ultimately lost. Many Celtics fans sight AB's injury as the reason they lost. This is not a guy we want to give $20m+ to.

I owned AB in a fantasy league last season and the "word" when he was injured was that it was a legit injury but...

They held off on bringing him back because they weren't gunning for the #1 - they were gunning for playoff success...

Pissed me off at the time cause I had other injured dudes at guard and he was killing it (Top 30) after being selected outside the top 60!

As you pointed out he was/is essential to their playoff success since they knew they'd likely have to face the following:

Indiana, Washington, Toronto & Cleveland

AB helping to defend Teague, Wall, Lowry, Kyrie? Yeah, that's more important than him playing another 10 games in the regular season

I'm not saying he's a Ironman - I'm saying they rested him more than would normally be the case since they were stacked!

Smart & Brown were getting it done so why rush him back?

It's the RJ & Ish scenario - they waited and it paid off...we didn't and it messed with our team

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[A_dub06]

While I agree he has a missed a lot if games through injury:

I believe he was healthy for most of last season and Boston rested him because of his history.

Obviously dude wouldn't have played 80 games but I think it would have been 70+

Which gives him 3 years in a row playing 90% of games.

You can probably throw out 2010-11 too

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Dude he played 55 games last season, there is no way the team gunning for the #1 seed rested their starting 2-guard for 15+ games. He sat out due to injury, all of which are well documented and until you can provide a link or credible proof they "rested" him, my point stands. Even if they rested him due to history which they didn't, isn't that a troubling sign? Have a look at this article which doesn't show the duration of each injury but lists what they were (http://www.foxsports.com/nba/avery-bradley-player-injuries). He's had multiple injuries of many differing kinds, which to me spells trouble. Some guys simply have a body made of glass, and to me AB pretty much has one. Look at our fellow countryman Andrew Bogut, he's had so many injuries and all unrelated but his health has been a concern for a very long time. I don't know why you are trying to make AB sound more durable than what he is, but I'm very interested to hear where you are getting your information from.

Also, I forgot to include that AB got injured in game 1 of the playoffs during 2016 against the Atlanta Hawks and missed the rest of the series, which the ultimately lost. Many Celtics fans sight AB's injury as the reason they lost. This is not a guy we want to give $20m+ to.

I owned AB in a fantasy league last season and the "word" when he was injured was that it was a legit injury but...

They held off on bringing him back because they weren't gunning for the #1 - they were gunning for playoff success...

Pissed me off at the time cause I had other injured dudes at guard and he was killing it (Top 30) after being selected outside the top 60!

As you pointed out he was/is essential to their playoff success since they knew they'd likely have to face the following:

Indiana, Washington, Toronto & Cleveland

AB helping to defend Teague, Wall, Lowry, Kyrie? Yeah, that's more important than him playing another 10 games in the regular season

I'm not saying he's a Ironman - I'm saying they rested him more than would normally be the case since they were stacked!

Smart & Brown were getting it done so why rush him back?

It's the RJ & Ish scenario - they waited and it paid off...we didn't and it messed with our team

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Dude nobody gets rested 15+ games for the season, thats a massive stretch of the truth and imo they were gunning for the #1 seed. I'm not going to argue with you whether he was held out excessively or not because what you are saying is based on opinion and what I'm saying is based on fact, he got injured and the Celtics were forced to give him time to recover. A guy that gets injured as often as what he does and only turning 27 in September is extremely concerning, and not a guy I would pay $20m+ for. This is just the same irrational KCP love all over again.

[Pharaoh]

Dude he played 55 games last season, there is no way the team gunning for the #1 seed rested their starting 2-guard for 15+ games. He sat out due to injury, all of which are well documented and until you can provide a link or credible proof they "rested" him, my point stands. Even if they rested him due to history which they didn't, isn't that a troubling sign? Have a look at this article which doesn't show the duration of each injury but lists what they were (http://www.foxsports.com/nba/avery-bradley-player-injuries). He's had multiple injuries of many differing kinds, which to me spells trouble. Some guys simply have a body made of glass, and to me AB pretty much has one. Look at our fellow countryman Andrew Bogut, he's had so many injuries and all unrelated but his health has been a concern for a very long time. I don't know why you are trying to make AB sound more durable than what he is, but I'm very interested to hear where you are getting your information from.

Also, I forgot to include that AB got injured in game 1 of the playoffs during 2016 against the Atlanta Hawks and missed the rest of the series, which the ultimately lost. Many Celtics fans sight AB's injury as the reason they lost. This is not a guy we want to give $20m+ to.

I owned AB in a fantasy league last season and the "word" when he was injured was that it was a legit injury but...

They held off on bringing him back because they weren't gunning for the #1 - they were gunning for playoff success...

Pissed me off at the time cause I had other injured dudes at guard and he was killing it (Top 30) after being selected outside the top 60!

As you pointed out he was/is essential to their playoff success since they knew they'd likely have to face the following:

Indiana, Washington, Toronto & Cleveland

AB helping to defend Teague, Wall, Lowry, Kyrie? Yeah, that's more important than him playing another 10 games in the regular season

I'm not saying he's a Ironman - I'm saying they rested him more than would normally be the case since they were stacked!

Smart & Brown were getting it done so why rush him back?

It's the RJ & Ish scenario - they waited and it paid off...we didn't and it messed with our team

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Dude nobody gets rested 15+ games for the season, thats a massive stretch of the truth

15 might be excessive - how about 6-10 games?

That's more likely based on memory of the fantasy blurbs

and imo they were gunning for the #1 seed. I'm not going to argue with you whether he was held out excessively or not because what you are saying is based on opinion and what I'm saying is based on fact, he got injured and the Celtics were forced to give him time to recover.

Its your opinion they were gunning for #1 - mine they weren't

It's my memory of fantasy blurbs of them holding him out a week or 2 (6-10) games vs you just going by the fact he got injured and sat out.

What's "normal" recovery time for his injury? Is it close to 20 games?

A guy that gets injured as often as what he does and only turning 27 in September is extremely concerning, and not a guy I would pay $20m+ for. This is just the same irrational KCP love all over again.

I'm of the opinion that the market is what it is and I'd rather pay AB than Dre or RJ because he's a guy you can win with.

That was my opinion on KCP too.

We can talk about cap hell and luxury taxes but at the end of the day we're paying $40 mil per for 2 guys who in their best season together won 43 games!

It might be in our best interests to move them off the roster as opposed to losing the KCPs & ABs of the world



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[MotownMadness]

Just let the guy play out a season here first. For all we know he sucks hard here or he takes another step and is a good opportunity for a team who can't get meetings with FAs to lock up a good one in his prime. Either way the trade bought us another year to sit back and evaluate without handing over a big questionable contract on another young guy which would have officially crippled us if he didn't take another step with Dre already not living up to his.