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Melo Trade Thread - Sorry Melo, these are the breaks

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Re: Melo Trade Thread - Sorry Melo, these are the breaks 

Post#1941 » by nykfan42 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:36 pm

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nykfan42 wrote:Isn't Kanter basically useless on defense? Like another poster said, we have Willy already. Don't take back crap just to trade Melo. Make the trade that's best for the Knicks not Melo.


I'm sorry are we going to win a title next year?

No but we have a direction. Kanter would only make sense if we were getting back a young player but we're not so makes no sense.

Of course it's just speculation but OKC doesn't really have anyone appealing that would make this trade work or even make sense.

Never mentioned a title but you don't take back crap just to appease a player's no trade clause.
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Re: Melo Trade Thread - Sorry Melo, these are the breaks 

Post#1942 » by Fury » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:36 pm

Y'all are delusional and ridiculous
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Re: Melo Trade Thread - Sorry Melo, these are the breaks 

Post#1943 » by PeoplesChamp » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:37 pm

Wolfgang630 wrote:I feel like there's a better deal somewhere with OKC compared to Houston.


Where? They have even less than Houston.

We'd need to project when they're going to start being bad and get 4 or 5 of their picks starting with that year.
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Re: Melo Trade Thread - Sorry Melo, these are the breaks 

Post#1944 » by Tron Carter » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:38 pm

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Kanter is a really good scorer. That holds some value


dude also might be the worst defensive big in the league and would be out 5th center on the roster. i can't see him fitting into fast-pace style jeff should be given the freedom to run now either. you can't let him finish games because he's such a defensive liability. he's essentially an overpaid 6th man.


So? He's a bench player. I'm not worried about team building as much as accumulating assets. You get Ferguson and Abrines out of this it doesn't matter if Kanter is playing 20 mins off the bench

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Re: Melo Trade Thread - Sorry Melo, these are the breaks 

Post#1945 » by Knicksfan1992 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:38 pm

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Fury wrote:Surprised at the Kanter hate. He's a pretty good offensive player and it's only 2 years

We already have Kanter in WHG


We could take on Kanter and re-route KOQ to another team to fix our rotation and get another asset back. Or simply move Kanter to a 3rd team who would be willing to take him on and re-route a pick from OKC to whomever (likely BK) if we still like KOQ... Kanter is a much easier contract to move/absorb because he possibly could be an expiring and at worst he holds you up for 2 years.
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Re: Melo Trade Thread - Sorry Melo, these are the breaks 

Post#1946 » by NYKnicks6 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:40 pm

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Wolfgang630 wrote:I feel like there's a better deal somewhere with OKC compared to Houston.


Where? They have even less than Houston.

We'd need to project when they're going to start being bad and get 4 or 5 of their picks starting with that year.

You are not getting 4 or 5 picks for Melo. Not even Isiah Thomas would make that trade.
Ferguson, 1st rounder and 2nd rounder plus Kanter is What we should be aiming for.
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Re: Melo Trade Thread - Sorry Melo, these are the breaks 

Post#1947 » by dakomish23 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:40 pm

I like what I'm reading. Still only 19 and won't be 20 till next May.

Offensively, Ferguson is mostly a spot-up shooter, which has always been his strong point, and will almost certainly continue to be his role at the NBA level as well. What's impressive is how mature of a team player he's been so far, as he rarely tries to do things outside of his comfort zone, and has been a very willing ball-mover looking to make the extra pass.

Ferguson has had some occasional flashes demonstrating his explosiveness attacking defenders in a straight line, but is a very rudimentary ball-handler at this stage, even in the open floor due to his high and loose dribble. He looks a long ways off from being able to operate out of ball screens like most high-end NBA shooting guards can, looking uncomfortable handling pressure in the half-court. He doesn't have the skill-set or feel for the game to consistently use his athleticism the way you might hope, as indicated by his paltry free throw attempt rate (2.2 per-40 minutes), but most of his turnovers have come off trying to make unselfish plays for teammates, as opposed to forcing the issue looking for points.

Ferguson's jump-shot is the basis of his game, and that has translated fairly nicely so far, as evidenced by his 39% 3-point percentage. He elevates high off the ground, has a quick release point, is always on balance, and shoots it virtually the same every time, even with a hand in his face. He'll likely be able to make shots at a NBA level very early on in his career, especially from the corners, where he's extremely effective.

Defensively, Ferguson has been somewhat of a mixed bag, which is not particularly surprising considering he's an 18-year old going up against grown men. His narrow frame has been a hindrance in terms of being able to get over screens, wall off penetration, and avoid getting pushed around inside the paint, but to his credit, he's played with a high level of competitiveness, which has helped mitigate those issues to a certain extent.

He uses his length and quickness effectively to contest shots on the perimeter, will throw his body around in the paint at times, and is light on his feet with strong lateral quickness. He's gaining invaluable experience going up against professionals with a 24 second shot-clock, and has had some nice sparks showing the type of defender he can become as his frame continues to mature. Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Terrance-Ferguson-71464/ ©DraftExpress
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Re: Melo Trade Thread - Sorry Melo, these are the breaks 

Post#1948 » by stuporman » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:40 pm

Kanter? Please no the Knicks kant...er... do that.
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Re: Melo Trade Thread - Sorry Melo, these are the breaks 

Post#1949 » by NoLayupRule » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:41 pm

Kanter is a solid player for sure
a 6th man candidate and scoring machine

hes also totally not the player we want here
we need the "right way to play" guys
no defense, no passing. thats what you get from Kanter


granted we could move him again easily enough but why not just move him now in the original trade if he's a part of that
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Re: Melo Trade Thread - Sorry Melo, these are the breaks 

Post#1950 » by KnicksFTW » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:42 pm

THIS MELO SAGA IS SO SAD LOL
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Re: Melo Trade Thread - Sorry Melo, these are the breaks 

Post#1951 » by BowlRips » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:42 pm

Knicksfan1992 wrote:
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Fury wrote:Surprised at the Kanter hate. He's a pretty good offensive player and it's only 2 years

We already have Kanter in WHG


We could take on Kanter and re-route KOQ to another team to fix our rotation and get another asset back. Or simply move Kanter to a 3rd team who would be willing to take him on and re-route a pick from OKC to whomever (likely BK) if we still like KOQ... Kanter is a much easier contract to move/absorb because he possibly could be an expiring and at worst he holds you up for 2 years.


exactly.. hes on a 1 and 1.. he could easily opt out..
Much easier to move than Andersen..
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Re: Melo Trade Thread - Sorry Melo, these are the breaks 

Post#1952 » by NOOB77 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:43 pm

Melo isn't going to OKC
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Re: Melo Trade Thread - Sorry Melo, these are the breaks 

Post#1953 » by dakomish23 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:43 pm

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Wolfgang630 wrote:I feel like there's a better deal somewhere with OKC compared to Houston.


Where? They have even less than Houston.

We'd need to project when they're going to start being bad and get 4 or 5 of their picks starting with that year.

You are not getting 4 or 5 picks for Melo. Not even Isiah Thomas would make that trade.
Ferguson, 1st rounder and 2nd rounder plus Kanter is What we should be aiming for.


Get that CHI 2nd round pick
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Re: Melo Trade Thread - Sorry Melo, these are the breaks 

Post#1954 » by NYKnicks6 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:44 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:Kanter is a solid player for sure
a 6th man candidate and scoring machine

hes also totally not the player we want here
we need the "right way to play" guys
no defense, no passing. thats what you get from Kanter


granted we could move him again easily enough but why not just move him now in the original trade if he's a part of that

If someone is willing to take him now then absolutely. If not we should just accept him for now and move him at the deadline. Possible he opts out at years end.
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Post#1955 » by stuporman » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:45 pm

The only scoop Simmons has is the one he uses to clean the kitty litter....so his scoop is poop.
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Post#1956 » by dakomish23 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:45 pm

Frank ? Baker
Ferguson THJ Dotson
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Re: Melo Trade Thread - Sorry Melo, these are the breaks 

Post#1957 » by boomann21 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:45 pm

What is your guys problem with Kanter? He is a decent ball player from my point of view. I would take a package of

Kanter (Meat and Potatoes)
Doug Mcdermott (3 point specialist)
Semaj Christion (his name is James spelled backwards)
Dakari Johnson (improved a lot in G-League and Summer League)
1st & 2nd round pick (We Love Draft Picks)
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Re: Melo Trade Thread - Sorry Melo, these are the breaks 

Post#1958 » by NYKnicks6 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:45 pm

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Where? They have even less than Houston.

We'd need to project when they're going to start being bad and get 4 or 5 of their picks starting with that year.

You are not getting 4 or 5 picks for Melo. Not even Isiah Thomas would make that trade.
Ferguson, 1st rounder and 2nd rounder plus Kanter is What we should be aiming for.


Get that CHI 2nd round pick

is it a 2018 2nd? That could be a very early second next year if it is!
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Post#1959 » by Newyorknick94 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:46 pm

dakomish23 wrote:Frank ? Baker
Ferguson THJ Dotson
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KP WHG

Ferguson wont start.
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Re: Melo Trade Thread - Sorry Melo, these are the breaks 

Post#1960 » by boomann21 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:49 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:Kanter is a solid player for sure
a 6th man candidate and scoring machine

hes also totally not the player we want here
we need the "right way to play" guys
no defense, no passing. thats what you get from Kanter


granted we could move him again easily enough but why not just move him now in the original trade if he's a part of that


Take him on to get more assets. OKC might have more picks they are willing to sacrifice then Houston
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