Windhorst: Kyrie Irving asked to be traded last week (Spurs, Heat, Wolves, Knicks) Updt pg. 30

[Slava]

Unless someone else corroborates the story I wouldn't trust amico. He's been very unreliable to downright making **** up in the past.

[13th Man]

Don't do it, Vlade. I'd rather just keep Fox and develop that young core.

This, Fox is also on a rookie contract of course so won't take up a ton of cap space.

[Patsfan1081]

Kyrie is better and will age better but it's funny that neither are good defenders but only IT gets **** for it. IT tore up John Wall in the playoffs who is supposed to be a shutdown defender.

He never tore up John Wall. Bradley Beal guarded him 90 percent of the time. Wall only guarded him a few plays.

That's not true at all, even here in the fifty point game Wall was primarily on Thomas despite Washington throwing other defenders at him. Boston has one go to scorer, it makes no sense no to put your best defender on him.

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As for a Thomas/Irving swap, that type of deal might make sense for Cleveland if they want to still win now plus get a good future assets to build with also(whatever Boston adds to the deal). For Boston they just passed on Fultz with the idea that Thomas is their guy going forward, I would think if they were to move on from Thomas it would be for somone who is more of a two way pointguard and not somone with a similar game.

[Scalabrine]

Easy no for the Cavs. Who are the best guards drafted since 2011? Beal, Lillard, CJ? Are any of them even better and/or substantially better?

The chances of Fox being better than Irving is slim to none. A 25 year old top 15 player in the NBA who averaged 27 PPG in the finals on elite efficiency is worth way more than Fox + scraps.

Easy no for the Kings. Dude has two years left on his contract, while we just acquired a reliable Hill to go with our SGs (Hield,Bogdanovic), while next year we still look to be in the lottery

It's an erroneous report. Knicks have nothing on their roster if any value other than the overrated Porzingis, he's not going there either

What does this have to do with the Knicks and how on earth is KP overrated? How many times have you even seen him play?

[Black Jack]

Just for the sake of argument have two teams that just met in the conference finals EVER swapped starters?

This is a good offseason thread

[Kings2013]

Easy no for the Cavs. Who are the best guards drafted since 2011? Beal, Lillard, CJ? Are any of them even better and/or substantially better?

The chances of Fox being better than Irving is slim to none. A 25 year old top 15 player in the NBA who averaged 27 PPG in the finals on elite efficiency is worth way more than Fox + scraps.

Easy no for the Kings. Dude has two years left on his contract, while we just acquired a reliable Hill to go with our SGs (Hield,Bogdanovic), while next year we still look to be in the lottery

It's an erroneous report. Knicks have nothing on their roster if any value other than the overrated Porzingis, he's not going there either

What does this have to do with the Knicks and how on earth is KP overrated? How many times have you even seen him play?

I've gathered from the OP's posts that he might like Irving in NY, and he's had some unsavory things to say about the Kings as well. He may not end up on the Kings, and I don't think the Kings are even in the hunt for him, but I don't see a scenario where he ends up in NY as well. Melo and Frank doesn't get it done. Melo's value is dried up

[Seabass11]

Cavs should:
1) trade Love+TT to OKC for Adams+Roberson
2) trade Kyrie to NYC for the rumored deal that would return Melo+Bledsoe

Bledsoe/Rose/Calderon
JR/Roberson/Shump
Bron/Green/Korver
Melo/Frye
Adams/Tavares

Bingo Bango Bongo

[LightTheBeam]

Easy no for the Cavs. Who are the best guards drafted since 2011? Beal, Lillard, CJ? Are any of them even better and/or substantially better?

The chances of Fox being better than Irving is slim to none. A 25 year old top 15 player in the NBA who averaged 27 PPG in the finals on elite efficiency is worth way more than Fox + scraps.

Easy no for the Kings. Dude has two years left on his contract, while we just acquired a reliable Hill to go with our SGs (Hield,Bogdanovic), while next year we still look to be in the lottery

It's an erroneous report. Knicks have nothing on their roster if any value other than the overrated Porzingis, he's not going there either

So insecure eh? That has nothing to do with the Knicks. Knicks sucking has nothing to do with Kings also sucking.

Kyrie is a great player no denying that but it doesn't make sense with where we are at.

Your op also makes no sense what do any of those players have to do with fox? Not saying cavs should make that trade since they are trying to contend but your argument makes no sense.

Kyrie wants out, cavs will probably trade him my guess is for Melo and more. That being said making the assessment that fox has a slim chance to be better than Irving because Lillard cj Beal is nonsense. This is considered one of the strongest pg draft classes of all time and many talking heads think fox may have a chance to end up the best of the bunch.

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[Scalabrine]

Easy no for the Kings. Dude has two years left on his contract, while we just acquired a reliable Hill to go with our SGs (Hield,Bogdanovic), while next year we still look to be in the lottery

It's an erroneous report. Knicks have nothing on their roster if any value other than the overrated Porzingis, he's not going there either

What does this have to do with the Knicks and how on earth is KP overrated? How many times have you even seen him play?

I've gathered from the OP's posts that he might like Irving in NY, and he's had some unsavory things to say about the Kings as well. He may not end up on the Kings, and I don't think the Kings are even in the hunt for him, but I don't see a scenario where he ends up in NY as well. Melo and Frank doesn't get it done. Melo's value is dried up

So Fox for Irving is an easy no, but a guy that was picked 3 picks later plus an All-Star isn't enough?

[millslapper]

Should be an easy "no" for both sides.

[DonaldSanders]

The rockets turn down the trade because CP3 > Kyrie.

Kyrie is upset he isn't the star, the face of the franchise. Even if he goes to Houston, Harden is the clear cut man, this is not what Kyrie wanted, so you get an upset Kyrie sharing the ball again with a ball dominant star.

CP3 is better (and I hate cp3) and will be happier/willing to work with Harden.

[Michael Lucky]

Seriously doubt that CP3 would be pleased with that deal.

[KingDavid]

Kobe isn't a top 10 player.

Eh. He's fringe top 10.

Off the top of my head -

Jordan
Wilt
LeBron
Kareem
Shaq
Magic
Bird
Duncan
Russell
Olajuwan
Roberston

All have claim to be better than Kobe. Personally, Kobe would be 11th or 12th for me.

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/los-angeles-lakers-kobe-bryant-magic-johnson-best-of-all-time-052316

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[GrandTheftRondo]

Why the hell would the Rockets do it? They did the CP3 deal to give themselves a better shot at getting out of the West (even if it's still a tiny shot). They're not going to give up on that before he's even played a game to get an inferior player, even if Irving is younger.

Kyrie Irving is a tier below CP3 as a basketball player and I seriously doubt he's going to improve enough to approach CP3 levels in the next few years.

[gts1]

I kept tryin to tell people that the Cavs arent trading Kyrie for f'n Carmelo Anthony. They are goign to get a HAUL

Let the bidding war begin #toldyouso

no hauls to be had... that market has dried up, that and the fact the Cavs have zero leverage

[DuckIII]

I kept tryin to tell people that the Cavs arent trading Kyrie for f'n Carmelo Anthony. They are goign to get a HAUL

Let the bidding war begin #toldyouso

no hauls to be had... that market has dried up, that and the fact the Cavs have zero leverage

They have the leverage of keeping him. But you're right. Something in the nature of the Butler deal is pretty much what the Cavs would be fortunate to get, which is actually pretty decent value for a guy who is demanding a trade.

[Bobalob]

I kept tryin to tell people that the Cavs arent trading Kyrie for f'n Carmelo Anthony. They are goign to get a HAUL

Let the bidding war begin #toldyouso

no hauls to be had... that market has dried up

I had to double check to make sure we were in the same article! Dearon Fox as the centerpiece of a deal with more to add (perhaps Cauley stein) would be a haul, sir.

The Hornets are rumored to be willign to trade Kemba (why wouldnt they?), and an espn article is out on Butler and Towns lobbying for Kyrie (for gee i wonder who...Wiggins)

So, no, you are wrong sir. 'Dried up" Please.

[KingDavid]

How can Cleveland get a PG like Dragic, as well as a nice, young wing prospect for Irving?

CLE
In - Dragic/Hood/Burks
Out - Irving/Shumpert

UTA
In - Irving/Shumpert/Winslow
Out - Hood/Favors/Exum

MIA
In - Favors/Exum
Out - Dragic/Winslow

Why the hell would we agree to that? Terrible.

[mcfly1204]

I kept tryin to tell people that the Cavs arent trading Kyrie for f'n Carmelo Anthony. They are goign to get a HAUL

Let the bidding war begin #toldyouso

no hauls to be had... that market has dried up, that and the fact the Cavs have zero leverage

So you are of the line of thinking that not many teams out there who are interested in acquiring a 25 year old All-Star, who is under a very reasonable contract for three more seasons?

[DuckIII]

I kept tryin to tell people that the Cavs arent trading Kyrie for f'n Carmelo Anthony. They are goign to get a HAUL

Let the bidding war begin #toldyouso

no hauls to be had... that market has dried up, that and the fact the Cavs have zero leverage

So you are of the line of thinking that not many teams out there who are interested in acquiring a 25 year old All-Star, who is under a very reasonable contract for three more seasons?

Two more seasons. Last is a player option that is now very much below market. He'll opt out.

I suppose it depends on how you define "haul." If a Wiggins and filler swap is a haul, then yeah he could bring a "haul." Again, I think a Butler level return looks about what is reasonable to expect.