Windhorst: Kyrie Irving asked to be traded last week (Spurs, Heat, Wolves, Knicks) Updt pg. 30

RingsDontLie · Post #1921 » by **RingsDontLie** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:55 pm

Man Cavs are imploding, this is really exciting. Rose instead of Kyrie? OMG you guys are really not making the finals now.

ChilledAlex · Post #1922 » by **ChilledAlex** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:59 pm

Bobalob wrote:
ChilledAlex wrote:
Bobalob wrote:I kept tryin to tell people that the Cavs arent trading Kyrie for f'n Carmelo Anthony. They are goign to get a HAUL

Let the bidding war begin #toldyouso

I pray to god Knicks FO aint that stupid to get Irving.
Melo=Irving straight up - yeah, anything more of value - gtfo!

My man....WHAT value?

The only other value is Ntikilina. You'd hold onto Ntilikina rather than have Kyrie? Really? really?

Melo and Ntilikina for KyrIe would be a steal for NY and a bad recoup for Cleveland.

yeah I want to see Frank play. Kyrie isnt a game changer and is injury prone, why would any team mortgage their future for someone like Kyrie?

2Chainz · Post #1923 » by **2Chainz** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:02 pm

ChilledAlex wrote:
Bobalob wrote:
ChilledAlex wrote:
I pray to god Knicks FO aint that stupid to get Irving.
Melo=Irving straight up - yeah, anything more of value - gtfo!

My man....WHAT value?

The only other value is Ntikilina. You'd hold onto Ntilikina rather than have Kyrie? Really? really?

Melo and Ntilikina for KyrIe would be a steal for NY and a bad recoup for Cleveland.

yeah I want to see Frank play. Kyrie isnt a game changer and is injury prone, why would any team mortgage their future for someone like Kyrie?

Kyrie isn't a game changer?

Bobalob · Post #1924 » by **Bobalob** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:04 pm

Sidenote when did this 'the Kings had the best off season of all time' bandwagon get so heavy? lol

They picked the guy that fell to them in Fox, ok.

But Justin Jackson is pretty MEH to me and Harry Giles looks like nothing more than the sad story of bad knees crippling a once promising career. I mean he looks bad. And has all year (meanwhile Bam who was picked at 14...)

What exaclty makes this such a great offseason?

Bobalob · Post #1925 » by **Bobalob** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:06 pm

2Chainz wrote:
ChilledAlex wrote:
Bobalob wrote:
My man....WHAT value?

The only other value is Ntikilina. You'd hold onto Ntilikina rather than have Kyrie? Really? really?

Melo and Ntilikina for KyrIe would be a steal for NY and a bad recoup for Cleveland.

yeah I want to see Frank play. Kyrie isnt a game changer and is injury prone, why would any team mortgage their future for someone like Kyrie?

Kyrie isn't a game changer?

Yea the analytics show that George Hill has a lower usage rate and Ricky rubio has a better rpm so they would be better fits

:rofl:

"Game changer"---when cliches go wrong, the man literally changed a game with a shot and won a f'n title. :rofl:

Tiesto_Lakers · Post #1926 » by **Tiesto_Lakers** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:09 pm

Kyrie Irving can score 40 in a Finals game. Fox will never.

Bobalob · Post #1927 » by **Bobalob** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:09 pm

ChilledAlex wrote:
Bobalob wrote:
ChilledAlex wrote:
I pray to god Knicks FO aint that stupid to get Irving.
Melo=Irving straight up - yeah, anything more of value - gtfo!

My man....WHAT value?

The only other value is Ntikilina. You'd hold onto Ntilikina rather than have Kyrie? Really? really?

Melo and Ntilikina for KyrIe would be a steal for NY and a bad recoup for Cleveland.

yeah I want to see Frank play. Kyrie isnt a game changer and is injury prone, why would any team mortgage their future for someone like Kyrie?

dc · Post #1928 » by dc » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:10 pm

2Chainz wrote:
ChilledAlex wrote:yeah I want to see Frank play. Kyrie isnt a game changer and is injury prone, why would any team mortgage their future for someone like Kyrie?

Kyrie isn't a game changer?

Yeah, I mean a guy goes for 29ppg on 47% FG and 41% from 3 in the Finals while being face guarded by Klay Thompson and people act like he's not all that. FOH.

I don't anticipate Fox or Ntilkina ever doing what Kyrie has done in the NBA Finals.

bmurph128 · Post #1929 » by **bmurph128** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:11 pm

RingsDontLie wrote:Man Cavs are imploding, this is really exciting. Rose instead of Kyrie? OMG you guys are really not making the finals now.

Regarding the finals....lol okay..

Why are people excited that the Cavs are imploding? Despite this recent success, overall this franchise has been terribly unlucky, and yet people are excited that this typically unlucky franchise seems to be on the brink of disaster?

ChilledAlex · Post #1930 » by **ChilledAlex** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:12 pm

Bobalob wrote:
ChilledAlex wrote:
Bobalob wrote:
My man....WHAT value?

The only other value is Ntikilina. You'd hold onto Ntilikina rather than have Kyrie? Really? really?

Melo and Ntilikina for KyrIe would be a steal for NY and a bad recoup for Cleveland.

yeah I want to see Frank play. Kyrie isnt a game changer and is injury prone, why would any team mortgage their future for someone like Kyrie?

By your logic DRose is game changer aswell, we had one of those no ty :lol:

XXBKXX · Post #1931 » by **XXBKXX** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:13 pm

Can't believe people here saying they would NOT trade fox for Kyrie if given the opportunity. Did Fox all of a sudden develop a shot? Kyrie is legit and only 25. He would be the crown gem for the young rebuild movement in sac.

BK
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Lakers / Angels / Dolphins

Bobalob · Post #1932 » by **Bobalob** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:14 pm

ChilledAlex wrote:
Bobalob wrote:
ChilledAlex wrote:
yeah I want to see Frank play. Kyrie isnt a game changer and is injury prone, why would any team mortgage their future for someone like Kyrie?

By your logic DRose is game changer aswell, we had one of those no ty

Derick Rose played in the finals!? I knew i shouldn't have switched from Dish! Which universe was this? Did they win!? What was his PER!?!?!

2Chainz · Post #1933 » by **2Chainz** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:16 pm

ChilledAlex wrote:
Bobalob wrote:
ChilledAlex wrote:
yeah I want to see Frank play. Kyrie isnt a game changer and is injury prone, why would any team mortgage their future for someone like Kyrie?

By your logic DRose is game changer aswell, we had one of those no ty

Frank probably won't be as good as Rose is now either if we're being honest.

Bobalob · Post #1934 » by **Bobalob** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:18 pm

The funny part is the Knicks would give Melo away if they could, so we're really talking about Ntilkina for Kyrie straight up and my man said 'nah im good' hilarious.

gts1 · Post #1935 » by **gts1** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:20 pm

Coachcavplaya23 wrote:
gts1 wrote:
Bobalob wrote:I kept tryin to tell people that the Cavs arent trading Kyrie for f'n Carmelo Anthony. They are goign to get a HAUL

Let the bidding war begin #toldyouso
no hauls to be had... that market has dried up, that and the fact the Cavs have zero leverage

They have an all star locked up for 2 years on a good contract. They have leverage. Kyrie will prob resign given he wants to be main guy.

I think you're misinterpreting the situation... He wants away from that ownership. Lebron's gone next summer most likely, if what you think is true Kyrie would just wait out Lebron.

ChilledAlex · Post #1936 » by **ChilledAlex** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:21 pm

Bobalob wrote:
ChilledAlex wrote:
Bobalob wrote:

By your logic DRose is game changer aswell, we had one of those no ty

Derick Rose played in the finals!? I knew i shouldn't have switched from Dish! Which universe was this? Did they win!? What was his PER!?!?!

How mad are you punk? :lol:

Kyrie is still an overrated, one dimensional, injury prone dude that doesn't make his team better anyway if his shot aint falling.

Go to someone else with your finals performance and what not :lol:

omerome · Post #1937 » by **omerome** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:26 pm

bmurph128 wrote:
RingsDontLie wrote:Man Cavs are imploding, this is really exciting. Rose instead of Kyrie? OMG you guys are really not making the finals now.

Regarding the finals....lol okay..

Why are people excited that the Cavs are imploding? Despite this recent success, overall this franchise has been terribly unlucky, and yet people are excited that this typically unlucky franchise seems to be on the brink of disaster?

Huh? What you say contradicts what you say later. The Cavs won a championship in the last five years. Won the lottery multiple times in the last 15 years and you are saying that franchise has been terribly unlucky? That's pretty lucky to me.

Most fans of their respective teams would be happy with your results.

Post #1938 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:27 pm

gts1 wrote:
Coachcavplaya23 wrote:
gts1 wrote: no hauls to be had... that market has dried up, that and the fact the Cavs have zero leverage

They have an all star locked up for 2 years on a good contract. They have leverage. Kyrie will prob resign given he wants to be main guy.

I think you're misinterpreting the situation... He wants away from that ownership. Lebron's gone next summer most likely, if what you think is true Kyrie would just wait out Lebron.

Jalen Rose was pretty emphatic that Kyrie doesn't want to play with LBJ anymore period, and that's why he made the request now.

Patsfan1081 · Post #1939 » by **Patsfan1081** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:30 pm

Winsome Gerbil wrote:
Boston34Bg wrote:
Winsome Gerbil wrote:
Time of Possession / Touches Per Game
2016-17 Isaiah 6.7min /84.7 touches in 33.8min
2015-16 Isaiah 6.2min / 85.3 touches in 32.2min
2013-14 Isaiah 8.0min / 85.1 touches in 34.7min

2016-17 Kyrie 6.4min / 79.0 touches in 35.1min

Again the least ball dominant 30 ppg scorers in NBA hisotry. 30 PPG - get it?

Now you're beginning to annoy me with your ignorance. Having your shamrock green headband fall over your eyes is only cute until you hit the Boston city limits.

1) Isaiah did not average 30ppg. He did not come particularly close to it. He averaged 28.9ppg.
2) gunning up a crapload of shots is not, contrary to belief, actually a sign that you are unselfish, nor does it matter in the least bit for how ball dominant you are.
3) any number of 29pt+ scorers from the past have played less ball dominant games. You may have heard of some of them. Guys like Kareem, or Mailman, or Durant. Dribbling into your offense is problematic when you've got a legendary teammate who does the same.

Usually when you have to resort to insults right off the bat you don't have a very solid arguement. I'm not sure how 29 isn't close to 30 either..... When you shoot a lot while being very efficient it's not being selfish. Im not even sure exactly what this arguement is about but the fact that you're attempting to argue Thomas as a selfish player by using touches or time of possession makes no sense when you're talking about a pointguard (who's job is to facilitate the offense), then using big men as a counter arguement..... Thomas had the second highest ts% in history for players averaging 25ppg or more. Despite his scoring he still put up decent assist numbers despite not even having a decent second scoring option on the team. You compare him to the other scoring pointguards with that, guys like Lillard, Irving, Lowry and he had a better assist %. The eye test alone however should tell you he isn't the a selfish player. In the Washington series after a efficient fifty point game he was having trouble scoring the next couple nights so he became more of a facilitator and finished up the series with 9,7,12 assist nights. So no, he isn't a selfish player.

LBJKB24MJ23 · Post #1940 » by **LBJKB24MJ23** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:30 pm

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Don't do it, Vlade. I'd rather just keep Fox and develop that young core.

Kyrie is 25. thats young.