Windhorst: Kyrie Irving asked to be traded last week (Spurs, Heat, Wolves, Knicks) Updt pg. 30

ubernathan · Post #1941 » by **ubernathan** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:31 pm

Maybe the Clippers? Kyrie and Shump for Deandre Jordan and Patrick Beverly. They'd have to wait until Aug. 28 because of Bev being traded recently but it might improve both teams. Clips can rebuild with Kyrie, Gallo, and Griffin. Cavs would shore up their weaknesses.

Derek Rose/Beverly/Deron
JR/Korver
Lebron/Jefferson/Green
Love/Thompson/DWill
Deandre Jordan/Thompson

oikosnomos · Post #1942 » by **oikosnomos** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:32 pm

The end comes for all of us. I'm just happy I got to see a championship in Cleveland! I thought for sure it wouldn't happen. I'm cool with all this stuff. No one ever stays on top forever. I actually enjoy regular season games a lot more when my team is mediocre. A lot less pressure. Lebron is awesome, but the drama every offseason is not enjoyable. I hope we get a nice young haul back for Kyrie and Lebron finds another team to contend with. Maybe we'll even get to see first option Love again. It doesn't lead to winning but he is fun to watch.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #1943 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:34 pm

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Don't do it, Vlade. I'd rather just keep Fox and develop that young core.

Kyrie is 25. thats young.

But, the years don't align with the rest of that squad. By the time they learn the NBA game and how to win, Kyrie's contract would be up.

Mr Loggins · Post #1944 » by **Mr Loggins** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:37 pm

oikosnomos wrote:The end comes for all of us. I'm just happy I got to see a championship in Cleveland! I thought for sure it wouldn't happen. I'm cool with all this stuff. No one ever stays on top forever. I actually enjoy regular season games a lot more when my team is mediocre. A lot less pressure. Lebron is awesome, but the drama every offseason is not enjoyable. I hope we get a nice young haul back for Kyrie and Lebron finds another team to contend with. Maybe we'll even get to see 1 option Love again. It doesn't lead to winning but he is fun to watch.

^^^^

Agree. I'm not that mad At all. Got a chip. This team wasn't going to beat GS. This now allows cle to freely trade kyrie for some combo that might work better

FlatearthZorro · Post #1945 » by **FlatearthZorro** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:40 pm

Patsfan1081 wrote:
Winsome Gerbil wrote:
Boston34Bg wrote:
Again the least ball dominant 30 ppg scorers in NBA hisotry. 30 PPG - get it?

Now you're beginning to annoy me with your ignorance. Having your shamrock green headband fall over your eyes is only cute until you hit the Boston city limits.

1) Isaiah did not average 30ppg. He did not come particularly close to it. He averaged 28.9ppg.
2) gunning up a crapload of shots is not, contrary to belief, actually a sign that you are unselfish, nor does it matter in the least bit for how ball dominant you are.
3) any number of 29pt+ scorers from the past have played less ball dominant games. You may have heard of some of them. Guys like Kareem, or Mailman, or Durant. Dribbling into your offense is problematic when you've got a legendary teammate who does the same.

Usually when you have to resort to insults right off the bat you don't have a very solid arguement. I'm not sure how 29 isn't close to 30 either..... When you shoot a lot while being very efficient it's not being selfish. Im not even sure exactly what this arguement is about but the fact that you're attempting to argue Thomas as a selfish player by using touches or time of possession makes no sense when you're talking about a pointguard (who's job is to facilitate the offense), then using big men as a counter arguement..... Thomas had the second highest ts% in history for players averaging 25ppg or more. Despite his scoring he still put up decent assist numbers despite not even having a decent second scoring option on the team. You compare him to the other scoring pointguards with that, guys like Lillard, Irving, Lowry and he had a better assist %. The eye test alone however should tell you he isn't the a selfish player. In the Washington series after a efficient fifty point game he was having trouble scoring the next couple nights so he became more of a facilitator and finished up the series with 9,7,12 assist nights. So no, he isn't a selfish player.

That's the stat I was looking for. Couldn't find it tho, he was the 2nd most efficient ~30 ppgs ever, which is absurd consdering it all. TS% is very highly valued now so it's that much more impressive.

YaBoyKD · Post #1946 » by **YaBoyKD** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:49 pm

omerome wrote:
bmurph128 wrote:
RingsDontLie wrote:Man Cavs are imploding, this is really exciting. Rose instead of Kyrie? OMG you guys are really not making the finals now.

Regarding the finals....lol okay..

Why are people excited that the Cavs are imploding? Despite this recent success, overall this franchise has been terribly unlucky, and yet people are excited that this typically unlucky franchise seems to be on the brink of disaster?

Huh? What you say contradicts what you say later. The Cavs won a championship in the last five years. Won the lottery multiple times in the last 15 years and you are saying that franchise has been terribly unlucky? That's pretty lucky to me.

Most fans of their respective teams would be happy with your results.

Cavs got the #1 pick 3 of 4 years and they're unlucky?

Post #1947 » by **KingDavid** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:51 pm

Kind of between the bargaining and acceptance stages now?

LofJ · Post #1948 » by **LofJ** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:51 pm

YaBoyKD wrote:
omerome wrote:
bmurph128 wrote:

Regarding the finals....lol okay..

Why are people excited that the Cavs are imploding? Despite this recent success, overall this franchise has been terribly unlucky, and yet people are excited that this typically unlucky franchise seems to be on the brink of disaster?

Huh? What you say contradicts what you say later. The Cavs won a championship in the last five years. Won the lottery multiple times in the last 15 years and you are saying that franchise has been terribly unlucky? That's pretty lucky to me.

Most fans of their respective teams would be happy with your results.

Cavs got the #1 pick 3 of 4 years and they're unlucky?

Not to mention the #1 pick in 2003, there are only a small handful of teams you could argue that have been luckier.

omerome · Post #1949 » by **omerome** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:52 pm

YaBoyKD wrote:
omerome wrote:
bmurph128 wrote:

Regarding the finals....lol okay..

Why are people excited that the Cavs are imploding? Despite this recent success, overall this franchise has been terribly unlucky, and yet people are excited that this typically unlucky franchise seems to be on the brink of disaster?

Huh? What you say contradicts what you say later. The Cavs won a championship in the last five years. Won the lottery multiple times in the last 15 years and you are saying that franchise has been terribly unlucky? That's pretty lucky to me.

Most fans of their respective teams would be happy with your results.

Cavs got the #1 pick 3 of 4 years and they're unlucky?

That's what I'm saying. They are far from unlucky.

CptCrunch · Post #1950 » by **CptCrunch** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:58 pm

People are overrating the hell out of young guards. Outside of Fultz and Ball, no one drafted within in the last 6 year is as good and/or has the ceiling to be substantially better than Irving.

Actually the last guards drafted unquestionably better than Irving are Harden and Curry in 2009 and perhaps Wall in 2010. no one since 2011 has been unquestionably better than Irving.

People are acting like developing your young Frank/Booker/Fox/etc will likely net you an Irving. LMAO.

Knicks should mortgage the house for Irving (anyone except for KP).

bmurph128 · Post #1951 » by **bmurph128** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:00 pm

omerome wrote:
YaBoyKD wrote:
omerome wrote:Huh? What you say contradicts what you say later. The Cavs won a championship in the last five years. Won the lottery multiple times in the last 15 years and you are saying that franchise has been terribly unlucky? That's pretty lucky to me.

Most fans of their respective teams would be happy with your results.

Cavs got the #1 pick 3 of 4 years and they're unlucky?

That's what I'm saying. They are far from unlucky.

We have been lucky recently.

There was even some form of unlucky-ness with those three picks - Irving, Bennett and Wiggins - imagine they were all on the Cavs - that's a dumpster fire of a team. Meanwhile around those guys Wall, AD and numerous other stars came into the league.

The only actual luck the Cavs have had was drafting LeBron, LeBron coming back (wouldn't have traded for Love if he didn't), and the finals we won.

I'm happy - I got to see a title, and next year isn't out of the realm of possibility - but going back in an all time sense, yes the Cavs have been pretty unlucky. Outside of LeBron the franchise has had virtually no success. Seeing a Lakers fan take pleasure in the Cavs demise is like seeing a rich man be happy that a guy who was poor but then won the lottery proceeds to lose it all.

I understand that hate comes with having LBJ on your team, but outside of the past 3 years, the Cavs really haven't had any long-term sustained success.

red96 · Post #1952 » by **red96** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:02 pm

The only things Irving has over Paul is youth and contract length. Harden would be Houstons real pg and #1, so Irving wouldn't be happy in Houston either. Paul is the better player, was recruited by Harden himself, he wants to be in Houston, and he attracts talented players to Houston. Houston turns it down easily..

OptionZero · Post #1953 » by **OptionZero** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:03 pm

The Kings could theoretically make the money work with Koufos, Fox and a couple smaller guys

The problem with this is CLE will want George Hill AND fox as a PG duo for the future and present

kyrie's trade request really killed them bc of the timing

CptCrunch · Post #1954 » by **CptCrunch** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:05 pm

OptionZero wrote:The Kings could theoretically make the money work with Koufos, Fox and a couple smaller guys

The problem with this is CLE will want George Hill AND fox as a PG duo for the future and present

kyrie's trade request really killed them bc of the timing

No, Irving requested a trade pre-draft. This request was leaked recently (perhaps by LeBron's camp according to pro-Irving sources). The request was NOT from this week.

jimross · Post #1955 » by **jimross** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:06 pm

Like it from the Kings perspective just because I think Fox busts.

lakerz12 · Post #1956 » by **lakerz12** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:07 pm

One is entering their prime, the other is exiting it.

If I'm the Rockets and the contracts don't cause any issues, I'm taking this in a heartbeat.

JB2 · Post #1957 » by **JB2** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:07 pm

paulbball wrote:People are overrating the hell out of young guards. Outside of Fultz and Ball, no one drafted within in the last 6 year is as good and/or has the ceiling to be substantially better than Irving.

Actually the last guards drafted unquestionably better than Irving are Harden and Curry in 2009 and perhaps Wall in 2010. no one since 2011 has been unquestionably better than Irving.

People are acting like developing your young Frank/Booker/Fox/etc will likely net you an Irving. LMAO.

Knicks should mortgage the house for Irving (anyone except for KP).

Laker and Philly fans love you right now

dc · Post #1958 » by dc » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:08 pm

paulbball wrote:People are overrating the hell out of young guards. Outside of Fultz and Ball, no one drafted within in the last 6 year is as good and/or has the ceiling to be substantially better than Irving.

Actually the last guards drafted unquestionably better than Irving are Harden and Curry in 2009 and perhaps Wall in 2010. no one since 2011 has been unquestionably better than Irving.

People are acting like developing your young Frank/Booker/Fox/etc will likely net you an Irving. LMAO.

Knicks should mortgage the house for Irving (anyone except for KP).

Yeah, bottom with Kyrie is that he's still young (won't turn 26 until next March) and is already at a level of player that the Foxes and Ntilkinas of the world will in all likelihood never come close to touching.

Guy drops clutch bombs in the Finals and shoots 47% while being face guarded by a Top 2 defense in the league and people act like it's no big deal; they act all casually as if the young guy they just drafted will just eventually turn into the type of player Kyrie is. In all likelihood that's just not happening.

LivingLegend · Post #1959 » by **LivingLegend** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:08 pm

bmurph128 wrote:
RingsDontLie wrote:Man Cavs are imploding, this is really exciting. Rose instead of Kyrie? OMG you guys are really not making the finals now.

Regarding the finals....lol okay..

Why are people excited that the Cavs are imploding? Despite this recent success, overall this franchise has been terribly unlucky, and yet people are excited that this typically unlucky franchise seems to be on the brink of disaster?

Its not all people. Its Lakers fans because they hate LeBron.

There are like 8-9 Lakers fans that specifically come in and derail every thread a Cavs player is mentioned in by just making troll comments like the one RingsDontLie above posted with no real constructive points for the sake of the conversation.

Revived · Post #1960 » by **Revived** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:10 pm

LivingLegend wrote:
bmurph128 wrote:
RingsDontLie wrote:Man Cavs are imploding, this is really exciting. Rose instead of Kyrie? OMG you guys are really not making the finals now.

Regarding the finals....lol okay..

Why are people excited that the Cavs are imploding? Despite this recent success, overall this franchise has been terribly unlucky, and yet people are excited that this typically unlucky franchise seems to be on the brink of disaster?

Its not all people. Its Lakers fans because they hate LeBron.

If they hate him then why are they already dreaming and making plans of him coming to the Lakers?