Cavaliers Seeking Blue Chip Young Player For Kyrie Irving

[IAMZOOTED]

Bad deal for NY. Terrible deal. Kyrie demanded a trade. Just off that his value isn't high. Melo+Lee+2 protected 1sts is the most I'm giving up.

His value isn't high?

He's 25, gotten better every year, could still be getting better, he's poised to lead the league in scoring on his new team, he's signed for multiple years - and by the way his contract is one of the VERY best in the league as he signed BEFORE the new CBA and salary cap jump. Honestly, his value should be sky high, like you must be!

He asked out. That's a value killer.

Not really, it's not like he's about the be a free agent.

[IAMZOOTED]

Posturing? What I said was fact. In the Cavaliers nearly 50 year history of being in the NBA they have made the finals 4 times...all with LeBron James. If you want to act like him leaving for green pastures is such a disservice to the franchise that has experienced all of their success because of him then go for it, but as an optimist I'd rather have 4 years of being one of the best teams (and one year of winning) then the years they had before and after LeBron was under contract the first time around.

He walked away once and left them for dead. They somehow pull themselves out of it and he fleeces the team of all the talent to cherry pick one title and once again leave them for dead with no hope for the future. I would have rather had the talent they built around Kyrie and let them compete for the next ten years as opposed to watching the guy who left them for dead to walk back in and make sure they couldn't recover the second time. Gilbert spent hundreds of millions, the city gave their love and Lebron won't even let them get an asset for the future on his way out the door? Wiggins and Kyrie would have been fun to watch for at least another decade.

Now at the end of this year, they will have one title, a salary cap that would make most cringe and absolutely nothing to look forward to for the forseeable future. I would rather have years of a winning culture than a four year window where the world knows the league gifted you the only title they won. Instead of Wiggins, Thompson, Kyrie and Waiters, they will now have whoever replaces Kyrie, JR Smith, Thompson and well that's it. If he cared about the city of Cleveland at all, he would waive the NTC and let them get something for him to build with moving forward since he gave away their future for his selfish cherry picking.

Haha what are you on they had not won a title in 64 years they have now won a title.. Wiggins, Kyrie and waiters I doubt that team wins a title so please stop.. They got LBJ who has taken them to finals three years running and can do it 4 times running.. They were total trash till he showed up again they kept getting the number 1 pick Kyrie got them nowhere.. Wiggins with Towns could not even make the play offs... Just stop you sound like an idiot the ultimate prize is a title.. If you have a shot you take it they did and they won it.. As far as I remember Draymond went off in game 7 so they won that title legitimately the rest of the GSW failed.. Plus if Love and Kyrie not hurt the first year the Cavs probably would have won that... The fact that GSW has now put the best team together in NBA history does not mean Cavs team is bad and no talent.. So Stupid..

If LeBron would have won cleveland three titles that dude would still think LeBron somehow screwed them over.

[GoSixersBro]

I think Philly is one of the best landing spots for Kyrie. However, not sure how he would feel about sharing primary ball handling duties with Simmons. To be honest, though. I don't think KI is all that worried about being the only focal point of an offense. I think it has more to do with Bron constantly holding the entire franchise hostage and then inevitably bolting for greener pastures and leaving everyone else to deal with the garbage contracts he forced upon them.

Philly would be quite good if they added Kyrie to their roster, imo. Has to be considered.

Sure he left for greener pastures and left them with crap contracts

That is the only relevant part of your quote, the rest is just justification and posturing. He left them for dead the first time. Then they were miraculously able to rebuild and have a good young roster moving forward. He obviously couldn't stand Cleveland having a hope for the future, so he came back and made sure that will never happen. Sure, the league gifted him a title, because if Draymond didn't get suspended (which never should have happened), Lebron would have torn the franchise apart for absolutely nothing.

Why do people always say Green shouldn't have been suspended? He was a habitual offender all season long as well as in the Playoffs. To accumulate 4 flagrant foul points in just the postseason speaks more of the offending individual rather than the officiating. People can be salty all they want, but when a known dirty player keeps throwing limbs towards the opponents' junk then he eventually will suffer the consequences.

[Bubstubbler]

Irving to Philly for Fultz/filler

...and then Philly signs LeBron this summer

Irving
Redick
LeBron
Simmons
Embiid

If you're Irving and LeBron, would you trade JR Smith/Love/Tristan Thompson for Redick/Simmons/Embiid?

[IAMZOOTED]

Sure he left for greener pastures and left them with crap contracts

That is the only relevant part of your quote, the rest is just justification and posturing. He left them for dead the first time. Then they were miraculously able to rebuild and have a good young roster moving forward. He obviously couldn't stand Cleveland having a hope for the future, so he came back and made sure that will never happen. Sure, the league gifted him a title, because if Draymond didn't get suspended (which never should have happened), Lebron would have torn the franchise apart for absolutely nothing.

Why do people always say Green shouldn't have been suspended? He was a habitual offender all season long as well as in the Playoffs. To accumulate 4 flagrant foul points in just the postseason speaks more of the offending individual rather than the officiating. People can be salty all they want, but when a known dirty player keeps throwing limbs towards the opponents' junk then he eventually will suffer the consequences.

Because he tried to kick LeBron so people think it shouldn't matter.

Can you imagine if LeBron would have tried kicking someone in the nuts.. or do you remember when curry threw his mouthguard at a fan a couple years ago? If that was LeBron, it would have broke the internet. The LeBron hate is crazy.

[johnnyballgame]

Bad deal for NY. Terrible deal. Kyrie demanded a trade. Just off that his value isn't high. Melo+Lee+2 protected 1sts is the most I'm giving up.

His value isn't high?

He's 25, gotten better every year, could still be getting better, he's poised to lead the league in scoring on his new team, he's signed for multiple years - and by the way his contract is one of the VERY best in the league as he signed BEFORE the new CBA and salary cap jump. Honestly, his value should be sky high, like you must be!

He asked out. That's a value killer.

Sorry. He's under contract. The Cavs don't even have to move him. What's he going to do? Sit out two seasons? That would enhance the hell out of his value. He's not Paul George, where he leaves as a free agent and the team gets nothing. The Cavs have all the leverage and can trade him at the deadline, next off season or keep him for two seasons. If he pouts or sits or doesn't play, that all looks bad on him.

[johnnyballgame]

Sure he left for greener pastures and left them with crap contracts

That is the only relevant part of your quote, the rest is just justification and posturing. He left them for dead the first time. Then they were miraculously able to rebuild and have a good young roster moving forward. He obviously couldn't stand Cleveland having a hope for the future, so he came back and made sure that will never happen. Sure, the league gifted him a title, because if Draymond didn't get suspended (which never should have happened), Lebron would have torn the franchise apart for absolutely nothing.

Why do people always say Green shouldn't have been suspended? He was a habitual offender all season long as well as in the Playoffs. To accumulate 4 flagrant foul points in just the postseason speaks more of the offending individual rather than the officiating. People can be salty all they want, but when a known dirty player keeps throwing limbs towards the opponents' junk then he eventually will suffer the consequences.

Truth is, Draymond should have been suspended for kicking Stephen Adams in the nuts during the previous series. Totally intentional and classless. Not hating on GS or Green, just being honest.
OKC likely would have won that series over GS as they had a 3-1 lead. The Cavs owned OKC that year and prior and probably win finals still. Durant likely would have stayed in OKC or went somewhere other than GS. The league gave GS titles if anything by not suspending Green when he truly deserved it.
The later suspension seemed more of an admission that they screwed up I'm the earlier series, but they wanted their marquee matchup.

[eddie jerel]

IF the Cavs do Trade Irving it should be to WORST Team w/best deal. Since he wants to Lead His Own Team,put him on a Team similar to One Cavs were before LBJ returned to Cavs. Especially since Cavs are a worse Team with LBJ on Bench and Irving is still on Court. Irving hasn't gotten better,but with any Team LBJ is on he makes everyone LOOK better by hiding their deficiencies. One last thing,even though Irving is 25 and LBJ is 32 it's the latter that's getting better even though he's the Older Player.

[Phystic]

Why on earth would the Suns do this? One of, if not the worst contracts in the league. A minor prospect and a bust for Bledsoe and Chandler? Unless the Suns have multiple midrange picks coming this trade is a nonstarter for the Suns

[Cookin Baskets]

Irving to Philly for Fultz/filler

...and then Philly signs LeBron this summer

Irving
Redick
LeBron
Simmons
Embiid

If you're Irving and LeBron, would you trade JR Smith/Love/Tristan Thompson for Redick/Simmons/Embiid?

I was also thinking Philadelphia could trade for Irving but why do that when Fultz is younger and you don't know how good he will be. Also the whole point of Irving wanting out to be traded is not to play with Lebron. Also no way philly does that 2nd trade get rid of Simmons and Embid for basically just Kevin Love and two role players lol. If Philly shows any promise next season we could land lebron though.

[haste10176]

Bad deal for NY. Terrible deal. Kyrie demanded a trade. Just off that his value isn't high. Melo+Lee+2 protected 1sts is the most I'm giving up.

His value isn't high?

He's 25, gotten better every year, could still be getting better, he's poised to lead the league in scoring on his new team, he's signed for multiple years - and by the way his contract is one of the VERY best in the league as he signed BEFORE the new CBA and salary cap jump. Honestly, his value should be sky high, like you must be!

He asked out. That's a value killer.

Not when 25 teams want him.. Value is demand and Kyrie will be in demand...

[johnnyballgame]

His value isn't high?

He's 25, gotten better every year, could still be getting better, he's poised to lead the league in scoring on his new team, he's signed for multiple years - and by the way his contract is one of the VERY best in the league as he signed BEFORE the new CBA and salary cap jump. Honestly, his value should be sky high, like you must be!

He asked out. That's a value killer.

Not when 25 teams want him.. Value is demand and Kyrie will be in demand...

Exactly.

E-Balla doesn't even understand that the Knicks would need to include two first round picks just for someone to take Melo or Courtney Lee's contract.
In his Melo + Lee + 2 protected firsts deal the Cavs weren't even compensated for Kyrie. Those picks would be compensation for taking those players on terrible contracts. Not that the Cavs are in to renting cap space. Quite the opposite.
Some people don't understand it's a business and the players are company property. Two businesses might both own floor scrubbers. But one company's scrubber is paid off and is generating income, while the other company has two older machines, both are at least partially broken and they are still making payments on them.
Guess which company is the Cavs and which one is the Knicks? Guess which company isn't making a trade?