Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion

[Kerrsed]

......or @TheHoopCentral is just taking Windbags proposal from the Lowe Podcast and running with it as him meaning thats what we are offering instead of thats what we should be offering (In his eyes).

[8on]

......or @TheHoopCentral is just taking Windbags proposal from the Lowe Podcast and running with it as him meaning thats what we are offering instead of thats what we should be offering (In his eyes).

I think that's exactly what's going on

[Kerrsed]

Yeah, all this "Suns Would consider..." stuff is BS.

I have read it on like 5 different websites, where they state, "According to ESPN" and "According to Windhorst", yet when i go to ESPN, i find nothing....except a video of Windhorst saying:

"Talking to some executives today, they think the team that could make the Cleveland Cavs the best offer for Kyrie Irving is the Phoenix Suns," Windhorst said. "They have a package they could offer with Eric Bledsoe and possibly this guy they just drafted, Josh Jackson. Would they be willing to include that prized young player in a package for Kyrie Irving? It's unclear at this point."

Exactly.

Fatty McDoublechins floated his idea out there on the Lowe podcast, then later on in the day reports that Executives think we could make an offer with Bledsoe/Jackson/1st, and somehow it makes its rounds to others as "We HAVE" made that offer.

I ask anyone....ANYONE to find anything saying we actually have offered Jackson that isnt linked back to this above quote. Truth is, you cant.

[Revived]

I wouldn't trade Booker, Jackson or any of our own 1st rd picks for Kyrie. Everything else should be on the table (not all of it but let them choose a few from everything else).

[lilfishi22]

Max I would give up is Bledsoe, Warren and the worst of our first round picks (with protection)

[Boxy99]

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There wouldn't be a suns fan that would do this deal. So why would the suns front office do this deal

[BobbieL]

Max I would give up is Bledsoe, Warren and the worst of our first round picks (with protection)

First - I agree that the rumor mill took what Windhorst said to Lowe - and even Kerrsed wrote that Zach said he was getting greedy - and made that like the suns were offering it. When really it was what Executives around the league thought the Cavs would take

For me, Book and Jack are off the table.

Bledsoe
Chriss or Warren are on the able
possibly the Heat pick in 2018 with some protection (lottery protection)
finally - the Cavs have to take Knight and the Suns can take Shumpert

If the Suns need to take a salary other than Frye & Jefferson, that being Shumpert and the Cavs do not take Knight - well take back that 1st round pick

Why is Kyrie going to get more than Paul George?

I truly do not want to see Book or Jackson in a Kyrie trade as he can opt out in two years - that's just too much of a gamble. Also, I don't think Kyrie and Booker as has been stated make a good backcourt. But if its just Bled/Chriss or BledWarren - I would be okay.

I still prefer the trade that Zach lowe thought was not enough for the Suns - Frank N, (Frye) and a protected pick. And on 12/15, the Cavs send over Jose Calderon to the Suns . Kyrie to the Knicks; Bledsoe to the Cavs with maybe Chriss or the Heat pick and whatever the Knicks can fork over.

[JDLAW]

First, I doubt that offer was made. If it was, the Cavs would have done the deal and not looked back. Windhorst is just trying to stir up interest for his buddy's team.

I have been reading with great interest all of the opinions being thrown out about a possible Kyrie Irving trade to the Suns. Many great comments. In fact it rivals the rumor mill when Orlando was moving T-Mac. All these players were supposedly offered and yet Orlando ended with Steve Francis and Cuttino Mobley not anything close to the rumors.

I just do not think a Suns - Cavs trade will happen unless Cleveland lowers its demands. The notion that the Suns would unload a substantial amount of its assets for 2 years of Kyrie Irving is abhorrent. I believe the Suns had an agreement in principle to trade the 4th pick and Bledsoe for Irving or Bledsoe and another veteran player in a 3-way deal for a young player and a pick as primary return. You can pick choose any of the pre-draft rumors – they were probably all discussed to some extent.

But several things happened – none of them were good for Cleveland. Griffin, who probably knew about Irving’s desire to move on, worked like crazy to get a deal put together that in the end would satisfy his boss (Gilbert), and was probably doing so without Gilbert’s full knowledge. Gilbert caught wind of it and let Griffin go for a variety of reasons, this being one of the main ones. That ended up killing the deal.

The Suns were willing to trade the 4th pick before the draft, in large part because they thought they were not going to get the player they wanted. That changed on draft night when Jackson fell to them. Such a scenario is fairly common, think about Golden State 7th pick (Curry) with the Suns (Stoudemire). It is likely that the deal was in place, but when Curry fell to the Warriors, the deal collapsed. I suspect they are not willing to trade Jackson whereas they were willing to trade the #4 as they see Jackson a two-way player that is similar to players like Leonard, Butler, George who blossomed into stars.

I think Irving and Booker could get along in the Suns backcourt because Irving like most of the NBA players (except Crowder), has a lot of respect for Booker and Booker is mentally tough. I have a lot more concern about how Irving will fit with the Suns other young developing players. I tend to think their development suffers with Irving as a point guard.

Finally, you have to question Irving’s motives because his actions come off as self-centered. What I see is a player who had the best season of his career and played in the most games he has ever played in, be left off of all the All-NBA teams – he wasn’t close while watching players like Thomas and Derozen emerge and other guards like Curry, Harden and Westbrook be widely recognized as their teams leaders, cornerstones and best players. He also saw Harden and Westbrook escape the shadows of famous teammates and have unprecedented seasons. He has got to be thinking to himself, “That should be me if just get out or LeBron’s shadow.” If this is true and I suspect it is, I would expect to be a very motivated (the good), but very self-centered player (the bad). Might pull off a few more wins (good), but at the cost of development of your youngsters (the bad)?

I just don’t think I’d take the chance – especially if the price is what LeBron’s fat bootlick, Windhorst, is reporting.

[jredsaz]

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There wouldn't be a suns fan that would do this deal. So why would the suns front office do this deal

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[ATTL]

Personally, I think JJ can be better than booker by 2020. I wouldn't entertain any trades with JJ involved. The more I hear the screams from national media saying what the suns should trade the more i want to walk away from the table. Let those shitheads keep talking.

[JDLAW]

Also I don't buy in to the narrative that Kyrie is selfish and wants to be the star. I think he just disagrees with the direction and vibe of the Cavs (and LeBron). I get that.

I disagree he is quoted as saying he wanted to go to a place where he is the top-dog. I interpret that as meaning he wants to be the star much like Westbrook and Harden did last year.

[PackSuns]

I would give up a lot to get Kyrie. Stars attract stars.

[blee732]

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I might be a little nervous about this if McD didn't get his contract extended. Glad we got that out of the way.

[nymets1]

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The Cavaliers should accept that deal immediately. They won't get a better off than that. If I were you guys I would not give up Booker or Jackson but anything else is on the table. There's word about Kyrie's lack of defense and he's not a #1 option on a team, he's meant as a sidekick/ #2 option.

If it was Chris Paul or Westbrook or Wall on the trade block than I include Jackson

[JDLAW]

I agree. I don't really want to give up much for him. He's almost certain to walk when he doesn't make the playoffs and especially if he happens to be sharing the limelight at all with Booker. Kyrie might end up being the more popular player and maybe Booker is fine with that but maybe he won't like it after being the fan favorite for a year or two. I don't imagine the team would enjoy watching him dribble the whole clock and take 25 shots either.

I just have a bad feeling about how things would end up working out if we trade much for him.

Isn't that what they watch Booker do?

Yeah but now they'd have to watch two guys and Booker would have to watch him too. I already didn't like watching Bledsoe and Booker take turns doing that but this would be worse. And the more one did it the more the other would and everyone else would not be involved. I'm SO accustomed to unselfish teams through the KJ/Kidd/Nash eras that it's just exactly the type of guy that I am not a big fan of even though he has and elite talent at iso scoring.

I agree that Booker and Bledsoe took the majority of shots, but actually watch the games, there was only 2 1/2 reliable offensive players on this team and none of them, except occasionally Knight and Ulis, were able to create offense for themselves or others. I'd love to see the W's scheme here, but the young players are just not that developmentally advanced.

[lilfishi22]

I would give up a lot to get Kyrie. Stars attract stars.

But if we get Kyrie, that would destroy our plan to sign Lebron next season

[jredsaz]

Also I don't buy in to the narrative that Kyrie is selfish and wants to be the star. I think he just disagrees with the direction and vibe of the Cavs (and LeBron). I get that.

I disagree he is quoted as saying he wanted to go to a place where he is the top-dog. I interpret that as meaning he wants to be the star much like Westbrook and Harden did last year.

First, I think he is already a star. He sells merch like crazy. What I think he ment there is that he wants to be the guy the franchise builds around. Ever since LeBron arrived the team was tailored to his preferences and skill set. Kyrie wants to be that guy for a franchise.

Part of me is concerned with it. How can he walk away from that kind of success? Is he good enough to actually be the #1? I heard he is doing a movie next summer. Is his head in the right place?

On the other hand, LeBron ran that team. People made jokes about how he was the real GM. A bunch of decisions that hampered the teams ability to improve were made to appease LeBron and his associates. The Thompson, Smith, and Varejao contracts were awful decisions that tied up cap space. Mozgov was something LeBron wanted. Cost them two firsts.

It the end I get what a guy would get sick of playing for an organization like that.



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[bwgood77]

Isn't that what they watch Booker do?

Yeah but now they'd have to watch two guys and Booker would have to watch him too. I already didn't like watching Bledsoe and Booker take turns doing that but this would be worse. And the more one did it the more the other would and everyone else would not be involved. I'm SO accustomed to unselfish teams through the KJ/Kidd/Nash eras that it's just exactly the type of guy that I am not a big fan of even though he has and elite talent at iso scoring.

I agree that Booker and Bledsoe took the majority of shots, but actually watch the games, there was only 2 1/2 reliable offensive players on this team and none of them, except occasionally Knight and Ulis, were able to create offense for themselves or others. I'd love to see the W's scheme here, but the young players are just not that developmentally advanced.

True, but does Kyrie help them become more developmentally advanced? And would he leave after two years? Very likely because we won't be winning enough to get close to the playoffs, and he will have a hard time making the all star team in the WC. Good to see you posting again.

[TeamTragic]

I would give up a lot to get Kyrie. Stars attract stars.

Then why are we talking about Kyrie?

[bwgood77]

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There wouldn't be a suns fan that would do this deal. So why would the suns front office do this deal

That tweet is BS...it is based on a podcast and Windhorst never said that...he said he thought that is what it would take, and Zach Lowe thought that was a bit much.