Kyrie Trade Discussion Continued

[clyde21]

Cavs would ask for Nurkic as well.

Not sure why Portland would make that deal though, they need to unload their bad contracts not ditch their stars.

Nurk's too valuable for the Blazers on that 3mil contract. This trade works, though:

Blazers get: Kevin Love
Knicks get: Kyrie Irving, Iman Shumpert
Cavs get: Carmelo Anthony, C.J. McCollum

Might be able to maneuver Aminu in there somewhere if that's not good for the Cavs, but I don't know if the Blazers pull the trigger on that.

Why would the Cavs do that? You don't trade your 2nd and 3rd best player for two worse players on two worse contracts. Shumpert isn't that bad...

Anyways, it's completely unlikely that the Cavs trade both Irving and Love in the same deal. At this point it's going to be Irving out the door and there's no reason to trade Love at this point unless you get a great offer from someone else, aka another All-Star, and either an unprotected pick or another starting level guy.

Agreed that Love isn't going anywhere at this point, but the Blazers can throw in a sweetner. Zach Collins+ a first and it still works.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Brogdon and Middleton for Irving

Irving/Dellavedova
Snell/Vaughn
Giannis/Beasley
Parker/Wilson
Maker/Henson

Rose/Brogdon
Middleton/Smith
James/Shumpert
Love/Korver
Thompson/Frye

[kobe_vs_jordan]

I'm not trying to trash Melo but not trading him for Kyrie is about the present as much as the future: Melo's a 33 year-old volume jump shooter who isn't efficient or especially productive. He's still useful and can get buckets but he's definitely worse than Kyrie now, and any trade involving the two would need major additional pieces to have any legs at all.

Care to explain? I don't see how that would make a huge difference, since everyone of those players went to teams that are at least as good as the teams that they left, and since no huge blue chip younger dudes were traded in any of the three deals.

There is a big difference in timing, trade market is dry now. You could of traded Irving and likely got one of Paul, George or Butler.

Paul, possibly. George and Butler, doubt it. Both their teams took worse deals to get them out of their conference, seem to be the prevailing thought.

Took Worse deals according to Danny Ainge...


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[RCM88x]

I really feel the Suns would offer Bledsoe + JJ + Pick. And I'm 50/50 on whether or not the Cavs would accept that

I'd hope the Cavs would try to squeeze Shumpert in there and ask for Chandler in return. Maybe give them a top 3 protection on the pick or something close to that if it's necessary.

Bledsoe and Chandler had good chemistry last year and it would allow TT to come of the bench where IMO he's much more effective.

[clyde21]

Brogdon and Middleton for Irving

Irving/Dellavedova
Snell/Vaughn
Giannis/Beasley
Parker/Wilson
Maker/Henson

Rose/Brogdon
Middleton/Smith
James/Shumpert
Love/Korver
Thompson/Frye

Lowe and Windhorst were suggesting this trade on their podcast and it's the one that I think fits the best (other than maybe the Suns trade). Works for both teams, though the Cavs might ask for a draft pick, too.

[Braggins]

I really feel the Suns would offer Bledsoe + JJ + Pick. And I'm 50/50 on whether or not the Cavs would accept that

I'd hope the Cavs would try to squeeze Shumpert in there and ask for Chandler in return. Maybe give them a top 3 protection on the pick or something close to that if it's necessary.

Bledsoe and Chandler had good chemistry last year and it would allow TT to come of the bench where IMO he's much more effective.

I would do the trade even without a pick. Just straight up Bledsoe + JJ for Irving, or Bledsoe + JJ + Chandler for Irving + Shumpert. If they got Chandler they could consider trading TT for one of the plethora of decent but overpriced wings that are out there to use in the 2nd unit small ball lineups with Lebron at PF.

I also really like the Milwaukee deal for Middleton and Brogdon.

[mudsak]

I think the real reason he wants out is because he knows Lebron is going to leave next season, and Kyrie is going to end up stuck in a sh*t situation in Cleveland... I think he's trying to simply control his own destiny while he can. He knows for a fact that this season is really a throw-away. Who cares if you make it back to the finals... for what?... to get swept again? That's what's waiting for them. There is literally nothing the Cavs current roster can do to beat GS. If I'm in Kyrie's shoes... I might try to push for a move as well.

[RCM88x]

I really feel the Suns would offer Bledsoe + JJ + Pick. And I'm 50/50 on whether or not the Cavs would accept that

I'd hope the Cavs would try to squeeze Shumpert in there and ask for Chandler in return. Maybe give them a top 3 protection on the pick or something close to that if it's necessary.

Bledsoe and Chandler had good chemistry last year and it would allow TT to come of the bench where IMO he's much more effective.

I would do the trade even without a pick. Just straight up Bledsoe + JJ for Irving, or Bledsoe + JJ + Chandler for Irving + Shumpert. If they got Chandler they could consider trading TT for one of the plethora of decent but overpriced wings that are out there to use in the 2nd unit small ball lineups with Lebron at PF.

I also really like the Milwaukee deal for Middleton and Brogdon.

Problem with the Milwaukee deal is that you need a volume scorer in return for Kyrie. I also am not really a fan of trading for 2nd year players based on their rookie year. Too much risk in that, especially for a suprising player like Brogdon.

The defensive improvement might be good but it's only perimeter defense which is inherently less valuable.

I'd rather just have Bledsoe and JJ even if Shumpert also gets shipped out and there's no pick included.

[Braggins]

I'd hope the Cavs would try to squeeze Shumpert in there and ask for Chandler in return. Maybe give them a top 3 protection on the pick or something close to that if it's necessary.

Bledsoe and Chandler had good chemistry last year and it would allow TT to come of the bench where IMO he's much more effective.

I would do the trade even without a pick. Just straight up Bledsoe + JJ for Irving, or Bledsoe + JJ + Chandler for Irving + Shumpert. If they got Chandler they could consider trading TT for one of the plethora of decent but overpriced wings that are out there to use in the 2nd unit small ball lineups with Lebron at PF.

I also really like the Milwaukee deal for Middleton and Brogdon.

Problem with the Milwaukee deal is that you need a volume scorer in return for Kyrie.

Fair enough. I actually have a lot of faith in Love and think he would be a better 2nd option than Kyrie.

I also am not really a fan of trading for 2nd year players based on their rookie year. Too much risk in that, especially for a suprising player like Brogdon.

True, but I do like the idea of a Lebron/Love + two 3&D wings + center, formula. If Love stepped up and Brogdon didn't disappoint, that would be a very nicely balanced starting unit.

I'd rather just have Bledsoe and JJ even if Shumpert also gets shipped out and there's no pick included.

Same, although for me Middleton is the single most desired player in either trade scenario, which would make the Milwaukee deal still very tempting.

[Mulhollanddrive]

If the best win now trade makes Cleveland worse, they may as well blow it up and get back to the finals in 5 years.

They can get 3 elite prospects for Love, LeBron, Irving and 3 more in the draft by 2020.

[RCM88x]

I think the real reason he wants out is because he knows Lebron is going to leave next season, and Kyrie is going to end up stuck in a sh*t situation in Cleveland... I think he's trying to simply control his own destiny while he can. He knows for a fact that this season is really a throw-away. Who cares if you make it back to the finals... for what?... to get swept again? That's what's waiting for them. There is literally nothing the Cavs current roster can do to beat GS. If I'm in Kyrie's shoes... I might try to push for a move as well.

Swept again? When did they get swept before?

The situation is much less "worse" next year when you remove the nearly 53 million in salary that expires next summer, possibly up to 64 million if you can dump Shump.

That would give you nearly 20 mill in cap space at least to fill the roster around Kyrie, Love and TT. Which is could be quite attractive in an Eastern conference without LeBron...

If Kyrie wants his own team that's probably better than almost any situation where he'd be considered the "best player".

[jbk1234]

I think the real reason he wants out is because he knows Lebron is going to leave next season, and Kyrie is going to end up stuck in a sh*t situation in Cleveland... I think he's trying to simply control his own destiny while he can. He knows for a fact that this season is really a throw-away. Who cares if you make it back to the finals... for what?... to get swept again? That's what's waiting for them. There is literally nothing the Cavs current roster can do to beat GS. If I'm in Kyrie's shoes... I might try to push for a move as well.

Based on the reaction from LBJ's camp, I think the real reason he wants out is that he really doesn't want to play with LBJ anymore. Today, on ESPN they said he almost asked for trade last year, after the Cavs won a championship, when LBJ re-signed.

[Dupp]

Brogdon and Middleton for Irving

Irving/Dellavedova
Snell/Vaughn
Giannis/Beasley
Parker/Wilson
Maker/Henson

Rose/Brogdon
Middleton/Smith
James/Shumpert
Love/Korver
Thompson/Frye

Lowe and Windhorst were suggesting this trade on their podcast and it's the one that I think fits the best (other than maybe the Suns trade). Works for both teams, though the Cavs might ask for a draft pick, too.

Yeah i think we could do a lot worse than this. Id be ok with it.

[mudsak]

I think the real reason he wants out is because he knows Lebron is going to leave next season, and Kyrie is going to end up stuck in a sh*t situation in Cleveland... I think he's trying to simply control his own destiny while he can. He knows for a fact that this season is really a throw-away. Who cares if you make it back to the finals... for what?... to get swept again? That's what's waiting for them. There is literally nothing the Cavs current roster can do to beat GS. If I'm in Kyrie's shoes... I might try to push for a move as well.

Swept again? When did they get swept before?

The situation is much less "worse" next year when you remove the nearly 53 million in salary that expires next summer, possibly up to 64 million if you can dump Shump.

That would give you nearly 20 mill in cap space at least to fill the roster around Kyrie, Love and TT. Which is could be quite attractive in an Eastern conference without LeBron...

If Kyrie wants his own team that's probably better than almost any situation where he'd be considered the "best player".

My bad... you're right... they didn't get swept, but they never had a chance. It took a freakish game of record breaking promotions just to steal that 1 win. I'm not trying to sh*t on your team. I was rooting for you guys to somehow take down the Goliath. That aside...Lebron has come into Clevland and has garnered complete control of the franchise for the time being. He's dictated who comes, who's traded, and for who. Their roster salary is through the roof right now. If Lebron leaves it's going to put the Cavs in a really tough situation. The Cavs aren't stocked with assets right now. He came in, spent all their money, went all in... and it worked... you guys got at least that one Chip... and it was a pretty amazing Chip at that. Had it not been for the Durant domino you might have got a 2nd, but it didn't shake out that way. Tough road to a ring for the rest of Lebron's career.

[clyde21]

Brogdon and Middleton for Irving

Irving/Dellavedova
Snell/Vaughn
Giannis/Beasley
Parker/Wilson
Maker/Henson

Rose/Brogdon
Middleton/Smith
James/Shumpert
Love/Korver
Thompson/Frye

Lowe and Windhorst were suggesting this trade on their podcast and it's the one that I think fits the best (other than maybe the Suns trade). Works for both teams, though the Cavs might ask for a draft pick, too.

Yeah i think we could do a lot worse than this. Id be ok with it.

Small ball lineup:

J.R. Smith
Kyle Korver
Khris Middleton
LeBron James
Kevin Love

the spacing/shooting.

[Fantastik_Goat]

this works

Clev out: Irving, Love JR, Shump, 19' 1st
Clev. In: Cousins, Wade, Eric Gordon, Cam Payne, Bobby Portis

N.O. Out Cousins, Etwan Moore, Asik, 18' 1st
N.O. In: Irving, Robin Lopez, Ariza

Hou out: Eric Gorden, Ryan Anderson, Ariza, 20' 1st
Hou. In: Love, Etwan Moore, Asik

Chi out: Wade, Portis, Payne, Lopez
Chi. In: Ryan Anderson, JR smith, Shump, NO 18 1st, clev 19 1st, Hou 20 1st (all unprotected)

[RCM88x]

this works

Clev out: Irving, Love JR, Shump, 19' 1st
Clev. In: Cousins, Wade, Eric Gordon, Cam Payne, Bobby Portis

N.O. Out Cousins, Etwan Moore, Asik, 18' 1st
N.O. In: Irving, Robin Lopez, Ariza

Hou out: Eric Gorden, Ryan Anderson, Ariza, 20' 1st
Hou. In: Love, Etwan Moore, Asik

Chi out: Wade, Portis, Payne, Lopez
Chi. In: Ryan Anderson, JR smith, Shump, NO 18 1st, clev 19 1st, Hou 20 1st (all unprotected)

+1 just for the effort bro

[Azsports77]

Really how dumb do you think the Suns front office why on earth would they trade both Bledsoe and josh Jackson for Kyrie Irving whose doesn't play a lick of defense . Besides when has a team trading a all star ever gotten back what their worth? Especially when Cleveland has very little leverage. Sure they can ask all they want but they will end up getting less than what fans of the Cavaliers expect to get for him. What I know is that if Cleveland wants Bledsoe and Jj then they can keep Irving because they can't guarantee he stays more than 2 seasons and he's not worth that.

[robdog_5]

Nuggets, Bucks, and Knicks seem to make the most sense. I don't see how they get fair value. However, All those teams can offer multiple GOOD players but no elite players. Lebron maybe more interested in Carmelo but IMO the Cavs should take offers of some young packages from Nuggets or Bucks

[Profound23]

Middleton/Brogdon/pick should get it done for both teams.

Had the Bucks hired Griffin like they should've...this deal is probably already complete.