lilfishi22 wrote:SlovenianDragon wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:I don't understand why people think having Irving on this team would suddenly make the team implode in on itself.
If we agree that the fair value would be Bledsoe, Warren and a Miami pick then what are we REALLY giving up for a multiple time all-star (in the East) and NBA champion? Warren, to me, is one of the most underrated young players in the league hampered by a mystery injury and a style and personality which doesn't muster much media attention. He's the one asset that has the most value to us long term. Bledsoe is a solid two way player who doesn't fit out core nor is he likely going to be with the team long term anyway.
So Warren and the pick (throw in Chriss there if you like) are really who we're giving up for Irving because Bledsoe, let's be honest, is not part of our #timeline. Is that really that much to give up?
From my view giving up Bledsoe and warren for irving we would get worse.And Usually when you make a trade you want to get better.
Would we really?
I feel like on a longer term basis, we're a better team. Look at all the downstream impacts this could have. Irving is an exciting player, is proven in big moments, an NBA champion and having this kind of player on the team could very well attract other stars down the line.
Again, Warren is the only player you're really giving up because he's younger, fits our timeline and I really do like him as a complementary player. Will he have an impact in the same way Irving does from an on-court or marketing standpoint? I can confidently say he won't, not because I can see the future but because very very few players ever become a top 15-20 player in the league at 25 (who is only 1.5yrs older than TJ).
Warren is also due for a new deal after this season, so do you pay him $12-18m a year on top of paying Bledsoe his $14m a year? Or do you turn that into Kyrie who gets paid $20m a year?
The only risk to this is Kyrie leaving but I think that risk is factored into the value in what we give up.
Irving will attract stars? Doubtful. First of all, being in the west and not making the playoffs, he is likely to leave in 2 years anyway. Secondly, he's exactly the type of player people
do not like to play with. As stated by Zach Lowe yesterday,
The Cavs have been terrible whenever Irving plays without LeBron. Irving's scoring in those minutes has soared anyway, in part because he never stops shooting. Over the past two seasons, Irving has jacked about 26 shots for every 36 minutes he plays without James, per NBA.com. Only six players have ever topped 25 field-goal attempts per 36 minutes in any season, and only one of them -- Wilt Chamberlain -- did it twice. Even Kobe Bryant never pulled it!
Meanwhile, Irving's assist numbers in those minutes barely ticked up.
That sample obviously captures Extreme Kyrie. But if that is the sort of player he hungers to be, he will never win big. Nobody wants to play with that guy, especially when that guy gives you very little on defense.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20144300/zach-lowe-kyrie-irving-cleveland-cavaliers-potential-trades-nbaI don't think Warren gets it done anyway, as he's not a blue chip young prospect or they type of player LeBron needs around him for now. No reason to include him for either team. Not sure why everyone throws here throws him in when he hasn't been mentioned in any packages any analysts or reporters have mentioned. A lot of people are not fans of Warren' here so they want to throw him in, but that doesn't mean it moves the need for the Cavs at all. They just signed a young SF (Cedi Osman) and have LeBron, Korver and Jefferson for now. They are well into the tax and Warren will need a new deal next year.
