2017 REGULAR SEASON LA Dodgers & international

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game over!

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69-31

[Quake Griffin]

What a hard fought win tonight. It took everything.

Even better, what a response to the 2 Atlanta losses.


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BTW Ryu is the same guy who posted 3.00 ERA in his first season and 3.38 the second. both seasons he was around 1.2 WHIP and actually was better in that department the second time. a guy coming off a serious shoulder injury who is throwing at around the same velocity as his heydays, I think it is very premature to conclude on him. only knock would be he is now 30, but you can consider his shoulder is 2 years spared. he's got one more year at 7.8 million, he is cheap and is in contract year. he is worth keeping around for next season's #5 starter. I have no doubt he will have a huge season. then someone else can blow 100 million signing him. but I want him on my team for 2018.

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I was reading some of the post game articles, and I have to disagree with how the media stated Ryu's control including his breaking balls were right where it needed to be.

it was easy to see Grandal's position and Ryu's final location were not in sync. it was just luck that he was effectively wild, AKA Hideo Nomo. he wasn't wild by 2 feet, but he was missing within a foot constantly. and that walk with two outs in the 4th, he was 6 inches off the plate with most of pitches which costed him the walk. as a lefty, he shouldn't have missed his pitches to the left side of the plate by 6 inches with a half a dozen pitches in a single at bat, but that's what he did, which allows the hitter to get acclimated with the velocity as well as the location, judging from Ryu's release point. the walk came on a cutter. he had thrown his cutter 2 other times already in the same general location. he also threw slider, change up, and a curve in that at bat. the right pitch at that point is not the same goddamn cutter in the same general area, but either a 4 seamer up and in, or 2 seamer down and in. his entire at bat at that moment was outside around mid high. this at bat told me that Ryu has not gained his confidence and was afraid to throw inside to a hitter who was hitting in the cleanup spot. but a confident Ryu 4 years ago, who was fresh to the MLB coming from KBO, had no problem throwing inside and sported 1.2 WHIP and 3.00 ERA. I need him to trust his stuff once again and be arrogant. throw inside, especially when he had thrown 8 or 9 consecutive pitches to the outer half at mid high already.

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so, what is our rotation as of today? Wood-Hill-Ryu-Maeda-Stewart?

would love to get Yu Darvish, but as long as Kershaw comes back 100% come post season, we can handle ourselves with this rotation. we just gotta go 31-31 to get to 100 Ws. no need to overpay for Darvish.

I have been giving this a thought, and if we are say, the royals, and we are in a prime situation to potentially win it all this year but no guarantee thereafter, yes we give up whatever it takes to put us in the best situation to win it all this year, and think about what to do about the future the day after the last game we play in the post season.

but we are not that team. we are building a perennial winner, trying to structure a dynasty. we can't just think about this year and give up a massive potential for the future. as long as Kershaw is healthy by September 25th and get at least one game to warm up with before the post season, I am perfectly content with Kershaw-Wood-Hill-McCarthy post season rotation.

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don't forget, according to fangraphs, he is the best LFer in all baseball.

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Maeda so far, is replicating Ryu's performance from last night. Im confident he will get through the 3rd with no issues and not wasting his pitch count too much.

let's see how he does in the fourth. crossing my fingers.

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.... and I was wrong. Maeda is already in a Jam in the third.

[Neddy]

glad Kenta only gave up 1 run when the bases were loaded before the 3rd inning was over.

[Quake Griffin]

Cody's K% was at 29% not too long ago.

It's at 27.5% now. Not a huge difference but possibly trending down?


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Rosario is swinging a hot bat.

We should pull Maeda here.
Not sure if anyone is up in our pen.


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[Quake Griffin]

Avilan was up.



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[Quake Griffin]

Whew

Maeda in line for the win.


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[Ranma]

so, what is our rotation as of today? Wood-Hill-Ryu-Maeda-Stewart?

would love to get Yu Darvish, but as long as Kershaw comes back 100% come post season, we can handle ourselves with this rotation. we just gotta go 31-31 to get to 100 Ws. no need to overpay for Darvish.

I have been giving this a thought, and if we are say, the royals, and we are in a prime situation to potentially win it all this year but no guarantee thereafter, yes we give up whatever it takes to put us in the best situation to win it all this year, and think about what to do about the future the day after the last game we play in the post season.

but we are not that team. we are building a perennial winner, trying to structure a dynasty. we can't just think about this year and give up a massive potential for the future. as long as Kershaw is healthy by September 25th and get at least one game to warm up with before the post season, I am perfectly content with Kershaw-Wood-Hill-McCarthy post season rotation.

I agree with most of everything you said. I've just changed my stance a bit. I'm still not inclined to grossly overpay, but I think we need another good starter now for the postseason, if for nothing else, to make sure not to put any more undue stress on Kershaw when he comes back from the disabled list.

I don't want us to even consider pitching him on short rest in the postseason at least until we reach the World Series. Likewise,
it's now an increased priority to get that 8th-inning reliever preferably a LHP. Again, still don't want to panic in overpaying by a lot in this case either, but there are plenty of options available on the market right now, so we shouldn't be struggling to make something happen in acquiring bullpen help.

I'm totally with you about maintaining our approach as a perennial powerhouse.

With regards to our current rotation, here are my list of starters for now:

1. Alex Wood
2. Rich Hill
3. Kenta Maeda
4. Brock Stewart
5. Hyun-Jin Ryu / Ross Stripling

With the loss of Julio Urias, this doesn't inspire me with much confidence even with the anticipated return of Clayton Kershaw.

[Neddy]

so, what is our rotation as of today? Wood-Hill-Ryu-Maeda-Stewart?

would love to get Yu Darvish, but as long as Kershaw comes back 100% come post season, we can handle ourselves with this rotation. we just gotta go 31-31 to get to 100 Ws. no need to overpay for Darvish.

I have been giving this a thought, and if we are say, the royals, and we are in a prime situation to potentially win it all this year but no guarantee thereafter, yes we give up whatever it takes to put us in the best situation to win it all this year, and think about what to do about the future the day after the last game we play in the post season.

but we are not that team. we are building a perennial winner, trying to structure a dynasty. we can't just think about this year and give up a massive potential for the future. as long as Kershaw is healthy by September 25th and get at least one game to warm up with before the post season, I am perfectly content with Kershaw-Wood-Hill-McCarthy post season rotation.

I agree with most of everything you said. I've just changed my stance a bit. I'm still not inclined to grossly overpay, but I think we need another good starter now for the postseason, if for nothing else, to make sure not to put any more undue stress on Kershaw when he comes back from the disabled list.

I don't want us to even consider pitching him on short rest in the postseason at least until we reach the World Series. Likewise,
it's now an increased priority to get that 8th-inning reliever preferably a LHP. Again, still don't want to panic in overpaying by a lot in this case either, but there are plenty of options available on the market right now, so we shouldn't be struggling to make something happen in acquiring bullpen help.

I'm totally with you about maintaining our approach as a perennial powerhouse.

With regards to our current rotation, here are my list of starters for now:

1. Alex Wood
2. Rich Hill
3. Kenta Maeda
4. Brock Stewart
5. Hyun-Jin Ryu / Ross Stripling

With the loss of Julio Urias, this doesn't inspire me with much confidence even with the anticipated return of Clayton Kershaw.

you really think both Kenta and brock are ahead of Ryu? may I remind you his first year in MLB he rated 3.00 ERA and 1.20 WHIP and his second year 3.38 ERA and 1.18 WHIP? I know his shoulder injury took him two years to recover, but he could be an ace for a pitch poor team like the Pirates or the Twins.

[Ranma]

you really think both Kenta and brock are ahead of Ryu? may I remind you his first year in MLB he rated 3.00 ERA and 1.20 WHIP and his second year 3.38 ERA and 1.18 WHIP? I know his shoulder injury took him two years to recover, but he could be an ace for a pitch poor team like the Pirates or the Twins.

Brock is certainly not as tested as Ryu, but I'm more inclined to give Stewart more opportunities to show what he can do. I also heard on the telecast that Stewart is dealing with flu-like symptons from what's going around in the clubhouse but he's looking forward to making the start. However, it is questionable whether he'll even go 5 innings.

At this point, I'm more comfortable with going with what I don't know about Stewart than what I do know about Ryu. Ryu is making progress and I read your comments earlier about you preferring to keep him for next season but moving on once he gets a big-money offer from another team as soon as he becomes a free agent.

I still would rather deal him so I'm not opposed to building up his trade value even if such a trade won't come until next season or this winter off-season. Having said that, Maeda Ryu seems to me like Alex Wood last season without the same upside. To me, he seems to have problems with facing the opposing lineup the 3rd time through the order and he's still inconsistent. If and when he figures things out, he'll be a free agent and providing little benefit as an unreliable starting option until then for the Dodgers.

Ryu may be a better option than Stewart but I want to see what Stewart has with some opportunities in order to evaluate before making that determination. I'm more inclined to keep Ryu in the bullpen for now, but with Kershaw out, we need him to step up his starting game. Maeda as been more reliable and I'm still not sure if he's better off as a starter for us or reliever. Lately, Kenta is making a solid case to remain in the starting rotation.

My lack of faith in our current starting options actually has me more inclined to acquire a starter from outside of the organization right now.