Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion

[bigfoot]

I was thinking of this last night about how to get Irving without giving up Jackson who the front office said we wouldn't or tj warren as he is vastly underrated. I have no clue how this looks and would want feedback.

PHX trades: Bledsoe, Dudley, Len (sign and trade), Miami 1st, PHX 2021 1st
CLE trades: Irving, Shumphert or Frye

Cleveland does not need a bad center like Len. They already have one in Thompson. Also this trade has too much dollars going to Cleveland and they would be paying even more luxury taxes.

Really Cleveland should want to dump some salary from a bad contract onto us. Thompson's contract at $16M, $17M, and $18M is a really bad contract for position-less basketball. Thompson is not a shooter or elite defender.

Bledsoe and two picks for Irving and Thompson would be a tough one to swallow for us as it kills our ability to go after free agents. We would have nearly two untradeable contracts in Thompson and Knight wrapping up $30M in salary. I'm not sure Irving is worth it.

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[RunDogGun]

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This is what I expect Knight to be doing the whole year. He is a smart guy, so hopefully he starts to set up a possible coaching position for the distant future. A player can always get better even if they can't get on the floor.

Good for James, lead by example.

[BobbieL]

I was thinking of this last night about how to get Irving without giving up Jackson who the front office said we wouldn't or tj warren as he is vastly underrated. I have no clue how this looks and would want feedback.

PHX trades: Bledsoe, Dudley, Len (sign and trade), Miami 1st, PHX 2021 1st
CLE trades: Irving, Shumphert or Frye

Bledsoe, Dudley, Chriss Miami 2018 1st and Phoenix 2021 1st, Toronto 2018 2nd

Kyrie Shumpert, Frye.

This deal saves the Cavs about 8m of salary but as a repeat luxury, would save them 40m bucks . Cavs get a young player in Chriss, two picks, Dudley helps this year

Shumpert I do believe helps the Suns as they need defense with Kyrie, Booker and Ulis plus he expires in 2019 so fits the Clean in 2019 program They keep Warren, Bender and their 2018 pick,

If the Cavs need a center, they can take Chandler instead of Dudley or sign Bogut - but taking on Chandler means the Suns would take on Jefferson .

If the Cavs would to be competitive, young player, draft picks and cap savings - the Suns are a match. Not sure how many teams can give them four things: veteran, young player, draft pick and cap savings while the Suns still keep the core of Booker, Jackson, Bender Warren (or Chriss) - I prefer Warren. If Kyrie really bombs and leaves - well you basically still have a lot of draft picks, a young core and the same clean cap as if Bledsoe, Dudley and chandler left and you lost Chriss and the Heat pick - for me, that's a trade worth making for the Suns.

The Cavs - I say, go find better.

[RunDogGun]

I was thinking of this last night about how to get Irving without giving up Jackson who the front office said we wouldn't or tj warren as he is vastly underrated. I have no clue how this looks and would want feedback.

PHX trades: Bledsoe, Dudley, Len (sign and trade), Miami 1st, PHX 2021 1st
CLE trades: Irving, Shumphert or Frye

Bledsoe, Dudley, Chriss Miami 2018 1st and Phoenix 2021 1st, Toronto 2018 2nd

Kyrie Shumpert, Frye.

This deal saves the Cavs about 8m of salary but as a repeat luxury, would save them 40m bucks . Cavs get a young player in Chriss, two picks, Dudley helps this year

Shumpert I do believe helps the Suns as they need defense with Kyrie, Booker and Ulis. They keep Warren, Bender and their 2018 pick,

If the Cavs need a center, they can take Chandler instead of Dudley or sign Bogut - but taking on Chandler means the Suns would take on Jefferson .

If the Cavs would to be competitive, young player, draft picks and cap savings - the Suns are a match.

I don't see the point of getting Irving and giving up multiple picks to help it happen. We don't need a point guard who barely passes the ball. We need a point guard who can make our young guys better. Now if Irving was a better passer and more of a two way player, I could see the push to get him. Lastly, I just don't think he would come over happy, going from East to West, from finals team to worst in the West.

[BobbieL]

I was thinking of this last night about how to get Irving without giving up Jackson who the front office said we wouldn't or tj warren as he is vastly underrated. I have no clue how this looks and would want feedback.

PHX trades: Bledsoe, Dudley, Len (sign and trade), Miami 1st, PHX 2021 1st
CLE trades: Irving, Shumphert or Frye

Bledsoe, Dudley, Chriss Miami 2018 1st and Phoenix 2021 1st, Toronto 2018 2nd

Kyrie Shumpert, Frye.

This deal saves the Cavs about 8m of salary but as a repeat luxury, would save them 40m bucks . Cavs get a young player in Chriss, two picks, Dudley helps this year

Shumpert I do believe helps the Suns as they need defense with Kyrie, Booker and Ulis. They keep Warren, Bender and their 2018 pick,

If the Cavs need a center, they can take Chandler instead of Dudley or sign Bogut - but taking on Chandler means the Suns would take on Jefferson .

If the Cavs would to be competitive, young player, draft picks and cap savings - the Suns are a match.

I don't see the point of getting Irving and giving up multiple picks to help it happen. We don't need a point guard who barely passes the ball. We need a point guard who can make our young guys better. Now if Irving was a better passer and more of a two way player, I could see the push to get him. Lastly, I just don't think he would come over happy, going from East to West, from finals team to worst in the West.

He would be the Star with Booker - that's one thing

Maybe in a different offense that is not LeBron centric, he might pass the ball more

I think Irving is better than Bledsoe - so you have to give to get. I am just not giving Josh Jackson, Bender or preferable WArren. I am giving Chriss. The Heat pick. If the Cavs want to be competitive, taking Chandler or Dudley helps them in 2017/2018

[jredsaz]

Not sure if this one was posted but Wolfson reporting that LeBron doesn't want Bledsoe in CLE in case he bolts next season. Seems thin.

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Looks like a classic rumor floated to help another team in the negotiations, like the
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[Fo-Real]

So, do we sign someone since Knight went down. Does Barbosa get the wait, we overreacted phone call? What about Bojan? Ian Clark?

[bwgood77]

Not sure if this one was posted but Wolfson reporting that LeBron doesn't want Bledsoe in CLE in case he bolts next season. Seems thin.

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Looks like a classic rumor floated to help another team in the negotiations, like the
Twolves.

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Why would a rumor floated by a Minnesota guy help another team? Is the Cleveland GM going to see that and say "Oh, I guess we don't want Bledsoe" if he DOES in fact want Bledsoe?

[Gorilla Warfare]

So, do we sign someone since Knight went down. Does Barbosa get the wait, we overreacted phone call? What about Bojan? Ian Clark?

Pretty sure we're ok losing Knight. We still have Bledsoe, Booker, James, Ulis, Jones Jr., Reed, and Millsap as guards on the team.

[SkinnyOMiller]

So, do we sign someone since Knight went down. Does Barbosa get the wait, we overreacted phone call? What about Bojan? Ian Clark?

I would just bring Barbosa back.

[jredsaz]

Not sure if this one was posted but Wolfson reporting that LeBron doesn't want Bledsoe in CLE in case he bolts next season. Seems thin.

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Looks like a classic rumor floated to help another team in the negotiations, like the
Twolves.

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Why would a rumor floated by a Minnesota guy help another team? Is the Cleveland GM going to see that and say "Oh, I guess we don't want Bledsoe" if he DOES in fact want Bledsoe?

It's not referencing the GM. It's referencing LeBron. Windbag has reported that James is detached from the team building process at this point and the relationship between he and the organization is strained. If they aren't communicating well, something that wouldn't surprise me given James passive aggressive behavior in the past, it could influence the Cavs to move in a different direction.

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[JMac1]

I really have no desire for Kyrie.... the more this drags on, the more I could care less about Kyrie. Pretty soon I would not want to give up Dudley and a 2nd rounder.

Let those other teams deal with that "me" garbage. Don't bring negativity to the desert.

This is Booker's and JJ's team. I don't want tinhave to worry about players leaving 24-7. Curry is GS and he ain't leaving. Neither is Durant or Dray or Klay.

[Sreister]

I really have no desire for Kyrie.... the more this drags on, the more I could care less about Kyrie. Pretty soon I would not want to give up Dudley and a 2nd rounder.

Let those other teams deal with that "me" garbage. Don't bring negativity to the desert.

This is Booker's and JJ's team. I don't want tinhave to worry about players leaving 24-7. Curry is GS and he ain't leaving. Neither is Durant or Dray or Klay.

I'm starting to feel the same way. If he had Kobe's ability, along with the "it's my team" mentality, then maybe. But he's an ISO player that wants his own team to showcase that ability. What an awful combination. If he was awesome at iso, but also was team first and was a distributor out of his iso then yes please, sign me up. But he's not, and I'm not interested.

[sunskerr]

Either way I think we'll be fine. If we get Kyrie for a fair package then that's cool. If not then we've still got our guys who have great potential and the plan stays the same.

He's had experience winning trades and experience with making mistakes. McDonough can handle this no problem.

[Waylay13]

I really have no desire for Kyrie.... the more this drags on, the more I could care less about Kyrie. Pretty soon I would not want to give up Dudley and a 2nd rounder.

Let those other teams deal with that "me" garbage. Don't bring negativity to the desert.

This is Booker's and JJ's team. I don't want tinhave to worry about players leaving 24-7. Curry is GS and he ain't leaving. Neither is Durant or Dray or Klay.

I agree with you on Kyrie as I dont believe he is a much of an upgrade over Bledsoe. He doesnt pass the ball, rebound or play defense. The most I would ever offer for Kyrie is Bledsoe and maybe a late 1st rounder and I sure wouldnt offer a unprotected lottery pick for him.

[NTB]

I really have no desire for Kyrie.... the more this drags on, the more I could care less about Kyrie. Pretty soon I would not want to give up Dudley and a 2nd rounder.

Let those other teams deal with that "me" garbage. Don't bring negativity to the desert.

This is Booker's and JJ's team. I don't want tinhave to worry about players leaving 24-7. Curry is GS and he ain't leaving. Neither is Durant or Dray or Klay.

If he was awesome at iso, but also was team first and was a distributor out of his iso then yes please, sign me up.

[rcc8884]

I was thinking of this last night about how to get Irving without giving up Jackson who the front office said we wouldn't or tj warren as he is vastly underrated. I have no clue how this looks and would want feedback.

PHX trades: Bledsoe, Dudley, Len (sign and trade), Miami 1st, PHX 2021 1st
CLE trades: Irving, Shumphert or Frye

Cleveland does not need a bad center like Len. They already have one in Thompson. Also this trade has too much dollars going to Cleveland and they would be paying even more luxury taxes.

Really Cleveland should want to dump some salary from a bad contract onto us. Thompson's contract at $16M, $17M, and $18M is a really bad contract for position-less basketball. Thompson is not a shooter or elite defender.

Bledsoe and two picks for Irving and Thompson would be a tough one to swallow for us as it kills our ability to go after free agents. We would have nearly two untradeable contracts in Thompson and Knight wrapping up $30M in salary. I'm not sure Irving is worth it.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6925233

No way Lebron lets TT leave as Lebron is the one that made Cleveland pay so much for him. The Suns would like to get Frye back and he would be a fan favorite again most likely. What about if we got Irving, Frye, and Shumpert for Bledsoe, Dudley (good against GSW), Chandler, and the Miami pick? Or is that just more unlikely?

[bwgood77]

Not sure if this one was posted but Wolfson reporting that LeBron doesn't want Bledsoe in CLE in case he bolts next season. Seems thin.

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Looks like a classic rumor floated to help another team in the negotiations, like the
Twolves.

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Why would a rumor floated by a Minnesota guy help another team? Is the Cleveland GM going to see that and say "Oh, I guess we don't want Bledsoe" if he DOES in fact want Bledsoe?

It's not referencing the GM. It's referencing LeBron. Windbag has reported that James is detached from the team building process at this point and the relationship between he and the organization is strained. If they aren't communicating well, something that wouldn't surprise me given James passive aggressive behavior in the past, it could influence the Cavs to move in a different direction.

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I'm sure Cleveland's more aware of what LeBron might want for this year than Wolfson. But I could easily see Bledsoe telling his agent "just like Kyrie, I would rather not go to Cleveland if LeBron is bolting in a year. I like where I am." And of course LeBron's agent is the same as Bledsoe's.

[JJ13]

I'd don't buy Bled not going to CLE because Bron is leaving in a year. Bledsoe only has 2 years left on his contract. If Lebron leaves, Bled is a nice expiring contract for Cleveland to potentially ship to a contender OR he can just play out the one year without Bron and sign a big deal with whoever he wants. He'll only be 28/29 years old.