Moar Melo Thread - Update PG 17 - THE Mike Rice says NY/Por/Hou back on

[newyorker4ever]

I never do these trade scenarios but why not.

Houston gets--Melo, C.Lee

Knicks get--Kyrie, TJ Warren, C.Frye

Cavs get--E.Bledsoe, T.Ariza, KOQ, 2022 1st rounder (Houston)

Phoenix gets---i hate this but Frank Nitty, E.Gordon, 2020 1st rounder (Knicks)


Houston gets their guy in Melo and C.Lee and send out T.Ariza, E.Gordon to make the Melo money work and send out a future 1st.

Knicks get our stud PG in Kyrie, add a nice piece in SF TJ Warren and take on the one year contract of C.Frye while sending out Melo, Frank Nitty (i hate it but it's for Kyrie) KOQ, C.Lee and a 2020 1st rounder.

Cavs get E.Bledsoe to replace Kyrie, T.Ariza who will be a great piece for them to make their eastern conference run, KOQ and a future 1st from Houston while sending out Kyrie and C.Frye.

Phoenix gets their young future PG in Frank Nitty who they supposedly want, E.Gordon and a future 1st from Knicks which maybe we can make a top 5 protected for giving up E.Bledsoe and TJ Warren.

I didn't go look at all these players contracts but think these all work or come very close to working with the money/contracts going out compared to the money/contracts coming back with each team. There could be other smaller pieces that might have to be added somewhere but i'm pretty sure everything is close enough to make things work. I guess i could see the Cavs wanting either another draft pick or young player for giving up Kyrie.

Waaayy too much for us to give up. That's basically gutting the team. Leaves us with no depth.

Also, no giving up Frank!!! I feel like a lot of people are quick to throw him in these trade discussions cause we didn't see him play summer league. What if he had and he put up ... ohh ... DSJ numbers There would be 75% less activity in the Kyrie threads on this board cause everyone would think we have our PG of the future.

We're either rebuilding or we're not

If we are rebuilding, and we are, we don't need kyrie and we can't be sending out picks or 18year old lottery picks that haven't even played for us yet. Kyrie will seek and get a super max

He's not the guy
This isn't the trade

No thank you
I'd rather Bledsoe than kyrie anyway

I would love to get Bledsoe as well but they would need a guy like Frank to trade him i would think. We are rebuilding and can still rebuild with 25 year old Kyrie and a young TJ Warren and would still have our 2018 and 2019 1st rounders to add to the rebuild as well. Maybe we could get away with adding another future 1st rounder to the deal instead of Frank which i would actually prefer since with Kyrie, KP and the rest of the team we won't be picking in the lottery anymore anyway so it would be our 2020 and 2022 1st rounders.

[camillepd]

How about a 3 team trade with Knicks, Cavs and OKC? Cavs get Melo, OKC gets Love, Knicks get Terrance Ferguson, 1st round pick and 2 second rounders.

[Jstarks3]

How about a 3 team trade with Knicks, Cavs and OKC? Cavs get Melo, OKC gets Love, Knicks get Terrance Ferguson, 1st round pick and 2 second rounders.

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[NoLayupRule]

Waaayy too much for us to give up. That's basically gutting the team. Leaves us with no depth.

Also, no giving up Frank!!! I feel like a lot of people are quick to throw him in these trade discussions cause we didn't see him play summer league. What if he had and he put up ... ohh ... DSJ numbers There would be 75% less activity in the Kyrie threads on this board cause everyone would think we have our PG of the future.

We're either rebuilding or we're not

If we are rebuilding, and we are, we don't need kyrie and we can't be sending out picks or 18year old lottery picks that haven't even played for us yet. Kyrie will seek and get a super max

He's not the guy
This isn't the trade

No thank you
I'd rather Bledsoe than kyrie anyway

I basically agree with you except that Kyrie >>> Bledsoe, and I'd be willing to send out a 2021 pick or something for Kyrie.

I agree that we are rebuilding, but if we are still a lottery team by the time 2021 draft rolls around (when Porzingis is beginning his prime) then we have failed anyway. a 2021 pick shouldnt be that valuable to us assuming we are rebuilding properly. a 26 year old Porzingis, a 28/29 year old Kyrie, and a 27 year old WHG, a 23 year old Ntilikina, and any other draft/ free agent acquisitions we can get including stars, is a great place to be

But yea, I am against trading ntilikina or more immediate first round picks for Kyrie. especially next season's first round pick

of course Kyrie is better than bledsoe but the point is cost

we shouldn't be giving up two picks - frank and the 2021 - for him
granted if we are a bad team in 2021 we will have failed but when has the opposite been true? We ned to protect against failure. What if KP gets hurt? we cant give away all our assets

[god shammgod]

How about a 3 team trade with Knicks, Cavs and OKC? Cavs get Melo, OKC gets Love, Knicks get Terrance Ferguson, 1st round pick and 2 second rounders.

you mean melo for love ? hmm....hadn't heard that one.

[NotPhilJackson]

I never do these trade scenarios but why not.

Houston gets--Melo, C.Lee

Knicks get--Kyrie, TJ Warren, C.Frye

Cavs get--E.Bledsoe, T.Ariza, KOQ, 2022 1st rounder (Houston)

Phoenix gets---i hate this but Frank Nitty, E.Gordon, 2020 1st rounder (Knicks)


Houston gets their guy in Melo and C.Lee and send out T.Ariza, E.Gordon to make the Melo money work and send out a future 1st.

Knicks get our stud PG in Kyrie, add a nice piece in SF TJ Warren and take on the one year contract of C.Frye while sending out Melo, Frank Nitty (i hate it but it's for Kyrie) KOQ, C.Lee and a 2020 1st rounder.

Cavs get E.Bledsoe to replace Kyrie, T.Ariza who will be a great piece for them to make their eastern conference run, KOQ and a future 1st from Houston while sending out Kyrie and C.Frye.

Phoenix gets their young future PG in Frank Nitty who they supposedly want, E.Gordon and a future 1st from Knicks which maybe we can make a top 5 protected for giving up E.Bledsoe and TJ Warren.

I didn't go look at all these players contracts but think these all work or come very close to working with the money/contracts going out compared to the money/contracts coming back with each team. There could be other smaller pieces that might have to be added somewhere but i'm pretty sure everything is close enough to make things work. I guess i could see the Cavs wanting either another draft pick or young player for giving up Kyrie.

Waaayy too much for us to give up. That's basically gutting the team. Leaves us with no depth.

Also, no giving up Frank!!! I feel like a lot of people are quick to throw him in these trade discussions cause we didn't see him play summer league. What if he had and he put up ... ohh ... DSJ numbers There would be 75% less activity in the Kyrie threads on this board cause everyone would think we have our PG of the future.

We're sending out 4 players and bringing back 3 players so how is that gutting the team?? I think people on here are over valuing what we're gonna get back for Melo is what the problem is and some might be under valuing what Kyrie should bring in return and just how good this kid is and is still just 25 years old. So you don't think Kyrie Irving and TJ Warren are worth Frank, Future 1st rounder, C.Lee and KOQ?? Kyrie is worth Frank and the 1st by himself and actually i could add KOQ in that worth as well. C.Lee for TJ Warren i'd do all day and C.Frye is just a one year throw away. I'm not even sure i'd do this trade and was just throwing out an idea. I wanna keep Frank as well but it's Kyrie.

Houston ain't sending Gordon, Ariza and a 1st out for Melo

and Melo, Frank, Lee doesn't = Kyrie, TJ Warren - we're getting away with too much here

[F N 11]

We will not be overwhelmed by the return and there will be a new argument that Perry and Mills suck.

[god shammgod]

almost at the next thread.....what new character will emerge from twitter in this one ?

[newyorker4ever]

We're either rebuilding or we're not

If we are rebuilding, and we are, we don't need kyrie and we can't be sending out picks or 18year old lottery picks that haven't even played for us yet. Kyrie will seek and get a super max

He's not the guy
This isn't the trade

No thank you
I'd rather Bledsoe than kyrie anyway

I basically agree with you except that Kyrie >>> Bledsoe, and I'd be willing to send out a 2021 pick or something for Kyrie.

I agree that we are rebuilding, but if we are still a lottery team by the time 2021 draft rolls around (when Porzingis is beginning his prime) then we have failed anyway. a 2021 pick shouldnt be that valuable to us assuming we are rebuilding properly. a 26 year old Porzingis, a 28/29 year old Kyrie, and a 27 year old WHG, a 23 year old Ntilikina, and any other draft/ free agent acquisitions we can get including stars, is a great place to be

But yea, I am against trading ntilikina or more immediate first round picks for Kyrie. especially next season's first round pick

of course Kyrie is better than bledsoe but the point is cost

we shouldn't be giving up two picks - frank and the 2021 - for him
granted if we are a bad team in 2021 we will have failed but when has the opposite been true? We ned to protect against failure. What if KP gets hurt? we cant give away all our assets

If you're talking about my scenario which i think you are then i'm not sure where you came up with two picks, Frank and our 2021 for Kyrie cause i only had one pick (2020) and Frank with KOQ and C.Lee and we'd also be getting TJ Warren in return.

[newyorker4ever]

Waaayy too much for us to give up. That's basically gutting the team. Leaves us with no depth.

Also, no giving up Frank!!! I feel like a lot of people are quick to throw him in these trade discussions cause we didn't see him play summer league. What if he had and he put up ... ohh ... DSJ numbers There would be 75% less activity in the Kyrie threads on this board cause everyone would think we have our PG of the future.

We're sending out 4 players and bringing back 3 players so how is that gutting the team?? I think people on here are over valuing what we're gonna get back for Melo is what the problem is and some might be under valuing what Kyrie should bring in return and just how good this kid is and is still just 25 years old. So you don't think Kyrie Irving and TJ Warren are worth Frank, Future 1st rounder, C.Lee and KOQ?? Kyrie is worth Frank and the 1st by himself and actually i could add KOQ in that worth as well. C.Lee for TJ Warren i'd do all day and C.Frye is just a one year throw away. I'm not even sure i'd do this trade and was just throwing out an idea. I wanna keep Frank as well but it's Kyrie.

Houston ain't sending Gordon, Ariza and a 1st out for Melo

and Melo, Frank, Lee doesn't = Kyrie, TJ Warren - we're getting away with too much here

Well if you paid more attention you would see you have what we're giving up wrong so maybe you should read again and read slower.

[Disgruntled]

As much as I love Kyrie here--a trade at this point seems questionable.

1.Pairing Kyrie and Hardaway in the backcourt will make for the worst defensive backcourt in the entire league. Every single point they put up on the offensive end, they'll give up at the defensive end.

2.We will likely have to use so many assets that we'll be stuck with what we have after the trade...which likely is gonna but a 40 win team.

3.I would be more in favor of a Kyrie trade if we didn't have THJR and Noah on the books as then we could add Kyrie and sell a 2018 FA on Kyrie+Porzingis. But with Noah and THJR eating up more than a max salary slot, I don't see a great end result down the road.

4.Trading a 2020/21 first round pick for Kyrie is insanity. There is no saying where this **** franchise is gonna be 4 years from now.

5.The only rational reason behind trading our 2018 pick is that Kyrie is likely better than any pick outside the top 2 or 3. And given our **** history of tanking properly, it'd make more sense to pick up Kyrie than pick at 8 again.

Overall I love Kyrie's offensive game and watching him in MSG would be magical and spectactular , but I think at this point in time he would just cost too much. It just doesn't seem to make great sense.

[NotPhilJackson]

We're sending out 4 players and bringing back 3 players so how is that gutting the team?? I think people on here are over valuing what we're gonna get back for Melo is what the problem is and some might be under valuing what Kyrie should bring in return and just how good this kid is and is still just 25 years old. So you don't think Kyrie Irving and TJ Warren are worth Frank, Future 1st rounder, C.Lee and KOQ?? Kyrie is worth Frank and the 1st by himself and actually i could add KOQ in that worth as well. C.Lee for TJ Warren i'd do all day and C.Frye is just a one year throw away. I'm not even sure i'd do this trade and was just throwing out an idea. I wanna keep Frank as well but it's Kyrie.

Houston ain't sending Gordon, Ariza and a 1st out for Melo

and Melo, Frank, Lee doesn't = Kyrie, TJ Warren - we're getting away with too much here

Well if you paid more attention you would see you have what we're giving up wrong so maybe you should read again and read slower.

Oh true that, my bad.. Reading through these things fast. Still think HOU says no but we seem to be giving up the right amount. I'd still do this from a Knicks perspective. I fux with Kyrie and TJ, we'd still have our next 2 picks. Really would love to see Kyrie paired with Frank though, wish there was another way but I dont think Willy does it.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

How about a 3 team trade with Knicks, Cavs and OKC? Cavs get Melo, OKC gets Love, Knicks get Terrance Ferguson, 1st round pick and 2 second rounders.

Cavs would say no very easily with just a Melo for Kyrie swap.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

We will not be overwhelmed by the return and there will be a new argument that Perry and Mills suck.

[IAmTheBest]

We're either rebuilding or we're not

If we are rebuilding, and we are, we don't need kyrie and we can't be sending out picks or 18year old lottery picks that haven't even played for us yet. Kyrie will seek and get a super max

He's not the guy
This isn't the trade

No thank you
I'd rather Bledsoe than kyrie anyway

I basically agree with you except that Kyrie >>> Bledsoe, and I'd be willing to send out a 2021 pick or something for Kyrie.

I agree that we are rebuilding, but if we are still a lottery team by the time 2021 draft rolls around (when Porzingis is beginning his prime) then we have failed anyway. a 2021 pick shouldnt be that valuable to us assuming we are rebuilding properly. a 26 year old Porzingis, a 28/29 year old Kyrie, and a 27 year old WHG, a 23 year old Ntilikina, and any other draft/ free agent acquisitions we can get including stars, is a great place to be

But yea, I am against trading ntilikina or more immediate first round picks for Kyrie. especially next season's first round pick

of course Kyrie is better than bledsoe but the point is cost

we shouldn't be giving up two picks - frank and the 2021 - for him
granted if we are a bad team in 2021 we will have failed but when has the opposite been true? We ned to protect against failure. What if KP gets hurt? we cant give away all our assets

Oh I agree to no frank and the 2021. Fuq that ****. I meant only the 2021.

[Triple C]

[thebuzzardman]

almost at the next thread.....what new character will emerge from twitter in this one ?

Cliff Rockhard

[NoLayupRule]

I basically agree with you except that Kyrie >>> Bledsoe, and I'd be willing to send out a 2021 pick or something for Kyrie.

I agree that we are rebuilding, but if we are still a lottery team by the time 2021 draft rolls around (when Porzingis is beginning his prime) then we have failed anyway. a 2021 pick shouldnt be that valuable to us assuming we are rebuilding properly. a 26 year old Porzingis, a 28/29 year old Kyrie, and a 27 year old WHG, a 23 year old Ntilikina, and any other draft/ free agent acquisitions we can get including stars, is a great place to be

But yea, I am against trading ntilikina or more immediate first round picks for Kyrie. especially next season's first round pick

of course Kyrie is better than bledsoe but the point is cost

we shouldn't be giving up two picks - frank and the 2021 - for him
granted if we are a bad team in 2021 we will have failed but when has the opposite been true? We ned to protect against failure. What if KP gets hurt? we cant give away all our assets

If you're talking about my scenario which i think you are then i'm not sure where you came up with two picks, Frank and our 2021 for Kyrie cause i only had one pick (2020) and Frank with KOQ and C.Lee and we'd also be getting TJ Warren in return.

im considering frank and the 2020 pick two picks since frank hasn't even suited up yet
He's a lottery pick

[GONYK]

The best thing about a Melo deal is that it hopefully removes the possibility of a Kyrie deal.

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[F N 11]

Nice to see Tim is back from vacation.