What are your five most preferable realistic trade packages for Kyrie based on what you think teams might give up?

[bwgood77]

The title says it all...what do you guys want and think you could get, in order? Personally, I don't think I want the Suns to trade what I am guessing it would take to get him. Many people on the Suns forum think a Bledsoe, Warren, Miami 2018 pick would be enough eventually, but I VERY HIGHLY doubt that...I think if Jackson wasn't included, it would take a couple unprotected picks, and not even sure who else the Cavs might want...if anyone. What do you think?

[Stillwater]

with the Suns I think it would take a lot if Jackson is untouchable. He would have been the key selling point.
If they also are moving KLove in a another trade they might want Bender,with Bledsoe but I don't think that would be enough.
Bledsoe is a better defender than Irving but his offense isn't close to the same level so the Suns would have to acknowledge
what they are actually getting in KI and pony up .
My guess is the Suns won't get Irving without giving up Jackson

[jbk1234]

The title says it all...what do you guys want and think you could get, in order? Personally, I don't think I want the Suns to trade what I am guessing it would take to get him. Many people on the Suns forum think a Bledsoe, Warren, Miami 2018 pick would be enough eventually, but I VERY HIGHLY doubt that...I think if Jackson wasn't included, it would take a couple unprotected picks, and not even sure who else the Cavs might want...if anyone. What do you think?

Warrens is an awful fit on the Cavs and he's about to get paid. If you can find a way to Bradley from the Pistons for him, I'd be interested. I also be surprised.

But I'd need Bledsoe, Chriss, the Suns pick this year, and another pick a couple years out. According to reports, Denver is being really aggressive.

[righterwriter]

My idea was:

CLE Trades: Kyrie, T.Thompson, Shumpert
MEM Trades: Conley and Gasol

The talent might seem lopsided for you guys, but MEM is about to be in that middling area where they are nowhere near good enough to compete and not bad enough to rebuild. Getting Kyrie and Thompson gives them two young pieces to build with and probably get a top-5 pick this coming draft as part of "the process." In the offseason they have tons of cap room to pursue a max SG/SF to pair with these guys and then can draft one of the many talented young bigs in this draft.


You guys obviously get a crazy combo of talent which might be enough to keep Lebron around after they rampage through the East and give GS a run for their money.

[Hoopz Afrik]

Bledsoe, Warren, Chriss, Chandler and a pick for Iman and Kyrie

[Stillwater]

I think the odds are Better the Cavs will get Bledsoe but Pheonix won't get Irving in the process so long as their stance on retaining Jackson remains a deal breaker for Irving.Maybe a 3 team trade would get it done.

[gflem]

Is Kyrie straight up for Cousins realistic?

[Stillwater]

Is Kyrie straight up for Cousins realistic?

emphatic no , not unless Love or Thompson was also traded for a pg. trading Irving for Cousins, despite him being one of the best bigs in the game, puts to much investment in the front court & leaves a lot of holes at the guard spots esp pg.
Maybe if Boogie wasn't on the last year of his contract they would consider it, but given they will be looking to pay Lebron the super max after next season they would have to gut the roster to afford to keep Cousins too.
I look for the cavs to go after vets with at least 2 yrs left on their contracts / someone worth resigning but not next season.
They have been saying they want young blue chip players or player along with rotation level vets so that they continue to pursue another championship & be in decent shape roster wise should Lebron leave, even though the odds are stacked against it.

[RoyceDa59]

Irving for Gobert.

[Stillwater]

^^ Gobert is their new franchise player with Hayward bolting, I highly doubt he would be available even for KI esp since they just got Rubio, the Cavs are looking to dump salary along with Irving to lower the tax bill anyway & straight up for Gobert actually would increase the tax bill.
If Gobert became available , it would be a similar situation where he requested a trade. I don't see him ever playing for any other team.

[gflem]

Is Kyrie straight up for Cousins realistic?

emphatic no , not unless Love or Thompson was also traded for a pg. trading Irving for Cousins, despite him being one of the best bigs in the game, puts to much investment in the front court & leaves a lot of holes at the guard spots esp pg.
Maybe if Boogie wasn't on the last year of his contract they would consider it, but given they will be looking to pay Lebron the super max after next season they would have to gut the roster to afford to keep Cousins too.
I look for the cavs to go after vets with at least 2 yrs left on their contracts / someone worth resigning but not next season.
They have been saying they want young blue chip players or player along with rotation level vets so that they continue to pursue another championship & be in decent shape roster wise should Lebron leave, even though the odds are stacked against it.

Thompson or Love could be moved for a pg. Cousins wouldn't necessarily need to be re-signed, if Lebron goes its rebuild time anyway. The only thing I don't like about this would be that we have no picks in the event that Lebron does leave. The silver lining in the Kyrie fiasco is that the team may be able to restock the cupboard so to speak and still compete for a chip. IF they get the right kind of deal they may even be in a better position to beat the W's as well. We will see.

[Jingles2]

^^ Gobert is their new franchise player with Hayward bolting, I highly doubt he would be available even for KI esp since they just got Rubio, the Cavs are looking to dump salary along with Irving to lower the tax bill anyway & straight up for Gobert actually would increase the tax bill.
If Gobert became available , it would be a similar situation where he requested a trade. I don't see him ever playing for any other team.

I think the Jazz would be more interested in Love than Kyrie at this point. I suspect their untouchables are Gobert, Rubio, and Mitchell. As a Jazz fan I would love to get Love, but depending on what it would take. The only package we could put together that might have a chance would be Favors, Joe Johnson, Hood and a pick for Love.

Then you could do a deal with the Suns. Kyrie and Thompson for Bledsoe, Chandler, Chriss and a pick or picks.

A bonus for you is that Love and Irving both end up in the western conference.

[Stillwater]

Is Kyrie straight up for Cousins realistic?

emphatic no , not unless Love or Thompson was also traded for a pg. trading Irving for Cousins, despite him being one of the best bigs in the game, puts to much investment in the front court & leaves a lot of holes at the guard spots esp pg.
Maybe if Boogie wasn't on the last year of his contract they would consider it, but given they will be looking to pay Lebron the super max after next season they would have to gut the roster to afford to keep Cousins too.
I look for the cavs to go after vets with at least 2 yrs left on their contracts / someone worth resigning but not next season.
They have been saying they want young blue chip players or player along with rotation level vets so that they continue to pursue another championship & be in decent shape roster wise should Lebron leave, even though the odds are stacked against it.

Thompson or Love could be moved for a pg. Cousins wouldn't necessarily need to be re-signed, if Lebron goes its rebuild time anyway. The only thing I don't like about this would be that we have no picks in the event that Lebron does leave. The silver lining in the Kyrie fiasco is that the team may be able to restock the cupboard so to speak and still compete for a chip. IF they get the right kind of deal they may even be in a better position to beat the W's as well. We will see.

that is the goal, to get a key KI replacement to compete now, along with at least 1 blue chip player still on his rookie deal and at minimum future draft picks if no other players are received with little to no protection on them to ensure they have the assets to continue to improve regardless of if Lebron stays or goes, even though the odds are he will stay esp if they manage to get those assets improving the longevity of the org to remain relevant around him.
Cousins won't give us enough assets along with him, the pelicans don't have much to offer besides Cousins.

[jbk1234]

I'm leaning heavy towards NY with the return being tax savings, Frank & two first round picks.

[Stillwater]

I'm leaning heavy towards NY with the return being tax savings, Frank & two first round picks.

But how would we get tax savings taking back Melo and his over payed contract? I assume you mean Irving to NY for Melo and Ntilikina and at minimum 1 unprotected 1st. Unless you are talking future tax relief when Melo leaves.
They would have to send back a lot of players to make the money match if we sent them just KI ,let alone if we were dumping Shumpert & or Fry's contract on them just for Ntilikina and draft picks as the reason for agreeing to a trade with NY without Melo.

I don't like Melo on this roster as a starter at all. Too much focus will be placed on Melo ,too much ball stoppage etc. He stops the ball more than Irving add he is 8 yrs his elder on a worse deal.
It could happen, and it wouldn't be the worst deal, but I would demand at minimum 2 unprotected 1st rounders (which I can't see NY giving up)for getting rid of Melo for them,taking a pg picked by the guy who got fired for doing so etc.
Ntilikina seems very raw and very far from a sure thing, I think we would regret it.

[jbk1234]

I'm leaning heavy towards NY with the return being tax savings, Frank & two first round picks.

But how would we get tax savings taking back Melo and his over payed contract? I assume you mean Irving to NY for Melo and Ntilikina and at minimum 1 unprotected 1st. Unless you are talking future tax relief when Melo leaves.
They would have to send back a lot of players to make the money match if we sent them just KI ,let alone if we were dumping Shumpert & or Fry's contract on them just for Ntilikina and draft picks as the reason for agreeing to a trade with NY without Melo.

I don't like Melo on this roster as a starter at all. Too much focus will be placed on Melo ,too much ball stoppage etc. He stops the ball more than Irving add he is 8 yrs his elder on a worse deal.
It could happen, and it wouldn't be the worst deal, but I would demand at minimum 2 unprotected 1st rounders (which I can't see NY giving up)for getting rid of Melo for them,taking a pg picked by the guy who got fired for doing so etc.
Ntilikina seems very raw and very far from a sure thing, I think we would regret it.

Melo isn't in my trade. NY tells Houston they can have Melo but they can only said back $10 million or so in salary.

[Stillwater]

I'm leaning heavy towards NY with the return being tax savings, Frank & two first round picks.

But how would we get tax savings taking back Melo and his over payed contract? I assume you mean Irving to NY for Melo and Ntilikina and at minimum 1 unprotected 1st. Unless you are talking future tax relief when Melo leaves.
They would have to send back a lot of players to make the money match if we sent them just KI ,let alone if we were dumping Shumpert & or Fry's contract on them just for Ntilikina and draft picks as the reason for agreeing to a trade with NY without Melo.

I don't like Melo on this roster as a starter at all. Too much focus will be placed on Melo ,too much ball stoppage etc. He stops the ball more than Irving add he is 8 yrs his elder on a worse deal.
It could happen, and it wouldn't be the worst deal, but I would demand at minimum 2 unprotected 1st rounders (which I can't see NY giving up)for getting rid of Melo for them,taking a pg picked by the guy who got fired for doing so etc.
Ntilikina seems very raw and very far from a sure thing, I think we would regret it.

Melo isn't in my trade. NY tells Houston they can have Melo but they can only said back $10 million or so in salary.

gotcha, could make sense if nothing better is out there.something tells me we can do better than just save some tax burden https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6928609 that example is one of the few that works without us shipping off anyone else and taking back very limited talent and limited money, where multiple high draft picks would have to be also received . I think we would have to have that 4th team involved to at least get 1 vet that is better than anything we can get back from just houston or NY without taking back significant salary.

[dantheman74]

My 5 guesses are;
-Memphis get Kyrie, Love, and Shumpert to make trade checker work, Cavs get Conley and Gasol and 1 future 1st rd draft pick.
-New York get Kyrie, Shumpert, Cavs get Carmelo and Ntilikna and 1 future 1st rd picks.
-Phoenix get Kyrie, Cavs get Bledsoe, TJ Warren and 2 future 1st rd picks.
-New Orleans get Kyrie and Shumpert, Cavs get Anthony Davis.
-Portland get Kyrie and Love, Cavs get Lillard and McCollum. Players like Shumpert and Meyers Leonard thrown in the mix maybe.

[jbk1234]

My 5 guesses are;
-Memphis get Kyrie, Love, and Shumpert to make trade checker work, Cavs get Conley and Gasol and 1 future 1st rd draft pick.
-New York get Kyrie, Shumpert, Cavs get Carmelo and Ntilikna and 1 future 1st rd picks.
-Phoenix get Kyrie, Cavs get Bledsoe, TJ Warren and 2 future 1st rd picks.
-New Orleans get Kyrie and Shumpert, Cavs get Anthony Davis.
-Portland get Kyrie and Love, Cavs get Lillard and McCollum. Players like Shumpert and Meyers Leonard thrown in the mix maybe.

If AD is on the table, I'll drive Kyrie to the N.O. right now.

[Profound23]

My 5 guesses are;
-Memphis get Kyrie, Love, and Shumpert to make trade checker work, Cavs get Conley and Gasol and 1 future 1st rd draft pick.
-New York get Kyrie, Shumpert, Cavs get Carmelo and Ntilikna and 1 future 1st rd picks.
-Phoenix get Kyrie, Cavs get Bledsoe, TJ Warren and 2 future 1st rd picks.
-New Orleans get Kyrie and Shumpert, Cavs get Anthony Davis.
-Portland get Kyrie and Love, Cavs get Lillard and McCollum. Players like Shumpert and Meyers Leonard thrown in the mix maybe.

If AD is on the table, I'll drive Kyrie to the N.O. right now.

I like to G.S. for Curry and Durant a little more though.

I also love the deals for Conley and Gasol, but Cleveland gets the first round pick and not the other way around.

Are we sure he is a Boston fan?

Anyways, outside of the obvious deals (Wiggins, Bledsoe/Bender, Middleton/Brogdon) I think Cleveland should be contacting Portland about Lilliard or Bobcats about Kemba.