bwgood77 wrote:Qwigglez wrote:Irving has a better TOV% than Steph Curry and a better assist to turnover ratio. Would you guys argue that you wouldn't want a 25 year old Steph Curry because he shoots too much?
No, but Curry still moves the ball more and shoots it less. He also doesn't dribble the ball and play iso ball nearly as much. When you are playing team ball in the flow of the offense, and the team is moving the ball and everyone is still involved, it's fine. And as efficient as Irving is, Curry is FAR more efficient and is truly elite. On top of that he is a MUCH better defender.
Anyway, the main point of the thread was not trading the premier assets for a guy that has a list that doesn't include us. If it was for less, like Bledsoe (who I don't think we should pay an insane amount of money in a couple of years anyway) and the 18 Heat pick, sure, but that's not realistic, even if you add Warren or Chriss or whatever, which I pointed out in the OP, since this thread is talking about more realistic type offers. The thread isn't as accurate with Jackson off the table, but I wouldn't include our own picks with little or no protection either in that type of deal in what I view as a probable two year rental that doesn't get us into the playoffs, and takes the ball out of our young developing players' hands.
Okay but you continuously say everyone trades but your own are unrealistic. What makes your trades more realistic? Because they are balanced, because you post on the trade board and everyone agrees on the trade? How many trades for stars actually get good value in return? Again, was the Boogie trade for the Kings, the George trade for Pacers, and the Butler trade for the Bulls all fair? Obviously you look back and say the Kings got someone they really valued with Hield, but if I recall correctly, before the trade went down and the rumor was out, everyone was saying that the Pelicans would have to offer more significant value. I guarantee before any of those trades went down, if anyone posted those trades on the trade board they would all get shot down, which proves my point.
Maybe the Bulls got the best value but they did just trade for a player that relies solely on his athleticism to get his points in Lavine. Sure he added a good 3 point shot, but he has a lot of air in his jumpers. Dunn was a 23 year old rookie that did not live up to his No 5 draft slot. Lauri could be good, but they did also trade their 16th pick to move up to 7th.
I can't see them thinking "We'll be fine post Kyrie/LeBron" with Bledsoe and Warren as our key pieces to build around...oh, and a pick in the late teens. Cleveland fans (and especially their front office) would probably laugh at that offer far more than people here would laugh at a Jackson one.
You don't think maybe adding the Miami picks would put the trade over the top? How many teams are going to offer up an unprotected pick. We could add our own 2020 pick unprotected if that doesn't do it, this should. Or is this unrealistic and everyone would laugh at our proposal again?
And again, I think you are trying to make a bigger point of the Suns not being on the list for Irving's destinations and it's not a big deal.
I actually believe the reports the Suns were close to making a deal on draft night for Irving but waited for a reason. After news came out Irving demanding a trade, and more bad news hitting the media only drops Kyrie's value. With James Jones in the mix now, we are likely trying to give them a package that doesn't include so many premier assets. I'm sure Jones has called Kyrie and asked if he would be okay with playing for Phoenix and Kyrie wouldn't mind. If he really didn't want to come over then I would think all trade talks with the Suns are dead.
