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OKC (gets Melo) | NYK | ATL 

Post#1 » by _s_t_u_r_t_ » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:44 pm

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OKC: Bets on Melo addition to Westbrook and George to go on a championship run

NYK: Receives a guaranteed lottery pick, a well-regarded shooter, and though Bazemore's contract is a negative, he is generally considered a better asset on a smaller bad contract than the other trade options most routinely floated (Anderson or Kanter), plus there is some additional cap room

ATL: Essentially trades off Bazemore contract for Kanter, but converts the Plumlee (3 yrs) contract into two smaller (2 yrs and 1 yr) commitments, while shaving off some additional cap room
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Re: OKC (gets Melo) | NYK | ATL 

Post#2 » by Andre Roberstan » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:51 pm

If this were to be something that happened, the Hawks are definitely an obvious third team. Good idea.

The main issue here is that the Thunder can't eat $14million of extra salary. Carmelo's value aside, the Knicks would have 3 shooting guards that should get minutes after this (if you're counting Bazemore as a SF, which...maybe?). Having the Thunder eat Plumlee helps balance out value, but it also makes the trade illegal.

In addition OKC can't trade a first-rounder till at least 2022, because of the Stepien rule and their current pick commitments. And you can't trade trade exceptions—they can only be used by the team that has them originally.

I like the idea of bringing the Hawks in, but this has too much wrong with it via CBA rules.
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Re: OKC (gets Melo) | NYK | ATL 

Post#3 » by dakomish23 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:57 pm

I thought the next pick OKC could trade was 2024 because it could possibly convey up to 2022?

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Re: OKC (gets Melo) | NYK | ATL 

Post#4 » by dakomish23 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:02 pm

Here's my OKC NYK deal

OKC gets Melo
NYK gets Kanter Singler Ferguson CHI 2nd

I wanted to include Lee but there wasn't enough available salary to make to work on the trade machine because Ferguson isn't signed (without including Abrines). But if it could work, anyone think OKC would do this?

Kanter
Singler
MCD
Grant
Huestis
Semaji
Ferguson
CHI 2nd

For Melo Lee?
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Re: OKC (gets Melo) | NYK | ATL 

Post#5 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:10 pm

dakomish23 wrote:Here's my OKC NYK deal

OKC gets Melo
NYK gets Kanter Singler Ferguson CHI 2nd

I wanted to include Lee but there wasn't enough available salary to make to work on the trade machine because Ferguson isn't signed (without including Abrines). But if it could work, anyone think OKC would do this?

Kanter
Singler
MCD
Grant
Huestis
Semaji
Ferguson
CHI 2nd

For Melo Lee?


It's too complicated to get Lee in there unfortunately but I like your first idea. Fergusons salary counts I believe.
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Re: OKC (gets Melo) | NYK | ATL 

Post#6 » by dakomish23 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:24 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:Here's my OKC NYK deal

OKC gets Melo
NYK gets Kanter Singler Ferguson CHI 2nd

I wanted to include Lee but there wasn't enough available salary to make to work on the trade machine because Ferguson isn't signed (without including Abrines). But if it could work, anyone think OKC would do this?

Kanter
Singler
MCD
Grant
Huestis
Semaji
Ferguson
CHI 2nd

For Melo Lee?


It's too complicated to get Lee in there unfortunately but I like your first idea. Fergusons salary counts I believe.


I like the haul for both teams.

The Westbrook PG Roberson Melo Adams lineup could be potent. Also they clear more space for 2019 (assuming Melo opts out and Kanter would not).

The Knicks get a prospect and a good 2nd to help the rebuild.
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Re: OKC (gets Melo) | NYK | ATL 

Post#7 » by _s_t_u_r_t_ » Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:50 pm

Andre Roberstan wrote:If this were to be something that happened, the Hawks are definitely an obvious third team. Good idea.

The main issue here is that the Thunder can't eat $14million of extra salary (1). Carmelo's value aside, the Knicks would have 3 shooting guards that should get minutes after this (if you're counting Bazemore as a SF, which...maybe?). (2)Having the Thunder eat Plumlee helps balance out value, but it also makes the trade illegal. (3)

In addition OKC can't trade a first-rounder till at least 2022, because of the Stepien rule and their current pick commitments. (4) And you can't trade trade exceptions—they can only be used by the team that has them originally. (5)

I like the idea of bringing the Hawks in, but this has too much wrong with it via CBA rules.


1. Got a little ahead of myself, and screwed up some of the initial numbers... those have been corrected, and everything now fits--actually it comes down within about $4,000 of the allowed take-back (125% + 100,000) for OKC.

It assumes that Melo will waive his kicker, but while many have assumed he would, it's not a given.

2. True, Bazemore has gotten some minutes at SF at times for ATL, and one would suspect he could do so for NYK.

3. As for Plumlee, he's legal in a trade package as-of two months following the trade that took him to ATL... which will be in August. This obviously would be one of those trades, then, that wouldn't be officially announced until that point.

4. As for draft picks, OKC has some flexibility with the #1-#14 and #1-#20 as designated by our good friends here at RealGM...

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5. Then, I'm sorry to have not communicated very well regarding the trade exceptions... those would be exceptions that ATL and NYK presumably would gain from having made the trade, since they're dealing out more than they're taking back.

Hope that helps.
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Re: OKC (gets Melo) | NYK | ATL 

Post#8 » by _s_t_u_r_t_ » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:43 am

dakomish23 wrote:Here's my OKC NYK deal

OKC gets Melo
NYK gets Kanter Singler Ferguson CHI 2nd



Not telling you anything you don't already know, I'm sure, but NYK is widely thought to be resistant to defense-adverse bad contracts... eg, Anderson, eg Kanter. Can't know how true that is, of course.
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Post#9 » by NoZoLakers » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:08 am

dakomish23 wrote:Here's my OKC NYK deal

OKC gets Melo
NYK gets Kanter Singler Ferguson CHI 2nd

I wanted to include Lee but there wasn't enough available salary to make to work on the trade machine because Ferguson isn't signed (without including Abrines). But if it could work, anyone think OKC would do this?

Kanter
Singler
MCD
Grant
Huestis
Semaji
Ferguson
CHI 2nd

For Melo Lee?

Not even a melo fan but thats a bad return for melo. Take on as much salary as melo but the upside is a late pick in ferguson? Highly doubtful ferguson could even get okc out of kanters contract
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Post#10 » by atlantabbq99 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:23 am

No thanks for the Hawks. Easy pass
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Post#11 » by _s_t_u_r_t_ » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:26 am

atlantabbq99 wrote:No thanks for the Hawks. Easy pass


Welcome to your opinion, of course. Obviously, I disagree. And in a big way. But to each his own.
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Post#12 » by dakomish23 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:46 am

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dakomish23 wrote:Here's my OKC NYK deal

OKC gets Melo
NYK gets Kanter Singler Ferguson CHI 2nd



Not telling you anything you don't already know, I'm sure, but NYK is widely thought to be resistant to defense-adverse bad contracts... eg, Anderson, eg Kanter. Can't know how true that is, of course.


Kanter has no future in NY. But Ferguson and that early 2nd might. Plus they both can get off the books in 2019, around the time the Knicks should go shopping.
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Re: OKC (gets Melo) | NYK | ATL 

Post#13 » by dakomish23 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:51 am

BallnIngram wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:Here's my OKC NYK deal

OKC gets Melo
NYK gets Kanter Singler Ferguson CHI 2nd

I wanted to include Lee but there wasn't enough available salary to make to work on the trade machine because Ferguson isn't signed (without including Abrines). But if it could work, anyone think OKC would do this?

Kanter
Singler
MCD
Grant
Huestis
Semaji
Ferguson
CHI 2nd

For Melo Lee?

Not even a melo fan but thats a bad return for melo. Take on as much salary as melo but the upside is a late pick in ferguson? Highly doubtful ferguson could even get okc out of kanters contract


Maybe I'm higher on Ferguson than most, but this kid is a late lottery pick most years IMO. He's a good prospect. The early 2nd should come in handy as well. Maybe we could squeeze out another 2nd or 2 for 2018.

At this point, I'm loooking for a prospect, late picks and no salary beyond 2019 (unless getting paid to take on a longer deal).

Knicks already messed up their cap flexibility in 18 & 19 with the THJ signing. Can't pile on.

What if I swapped out Singler with MCD & Huestis?
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Post#14 » by Pillendreher » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:50 am

dakomish23 wrote:
BallnIngram wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:Here's my OKC NYK deal

OKC gets Melo
NYK gets Kanter Singler Ferguson CHI 2nd

I wanted to include Lee but there wasn't enough available salary to make to work on the trade machine because Ferguson isn't signed (without including Abrines). But if it could work, anyone think OKC would do this?

Kanter
Singler
MCD
Grant
Huestis
Semaji
Ferguson
CHI 2nd

For Melo Lee?

Not even a melo fan but thats a bad return for melo. Take on as much salary as melo but the upside is a late pick in ferguson? Highly doubtful ferguson could even get okc out of kanters contract


Maybe I'm higher on Ferguson than most, but this kid is a late lottery pick most years IMO. He's a good prospect. The early 2nd should come in handy as well. Maybe we could squeeze out another 2nd or 2 for 2018.

At this point, I'm loooking for a prospect, late picks and no salary beyond 2019 (unless getting paid to take on a longer deal).

Knicks already messed up their cap flexibility in 18 & 19 with the THJ signing. Can't pile on.

What if I swapped out Singler with MCD & Huestis?


What would that deal look like?
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Post#15 » by Balkman32 » Wed Aug 9, 2017 4:58 am

I don't see the Knicks getting a better asset than Kanter. I think him and the unicorn would fit really well next to each other.


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