Kyrie asked to be traded (UPDATED)

[zimpy27]

So do you guys have an eye to rebuild or go for one last championship?

Championship. Dont care about rebuild one tiny bit.

Well you could exchange Kyrie, TT, Shumpert to get Bledsoe, Melo, O'Quinn. Salaries match, Phoenix give sweeteners to Knicks.

Bledsoe - Rose
JR - Korver
LeBron - Green
Melo - Frye
Love - O'Quinn

That's the best lineup I think you guys will get.

[Dupp]

So do you guys have an eye to rebuild or go for one last championship?

Championship. Dont care about rebuild one tiny bit.

Well you could exchange Kyrie, TT, Shumpert to get Bledsoe, Melo, O'Quinn. Salaries match, Phoenix give sweeteners to Knicks.

Bledsoe - Rose
JR - Korver
LeBron - Green
Melo - Frye
Love - O'Quinn

That's the best lineup I think you guys will get.

I'd probably do that if we could keep TT.

Also I think melo wants to go to the rockets. Unless Lebron reaches out to melo

[zimpy27]

Championship. Dont care about rebuild one tiny bit.

Well you could exchange Kyrie, TT, Shumpert to get Bledsoe, Melo, O'Quinn. Salaries match, Phoenix give sweeteners to Knicks.

Bledsoe - Rose
JR - Korver
LeBron - Green
Melo - Frye
Love - O'Quinn

That's the best lineup I think you guys will get.

I'd probably do that if we could keep TT.

Also I think melo wants to go to the rockets. Unless Lebron reaches out to melo

Need to lose TT to get salaries matching. Unless you rather part with Love? O'Quinn is quite underrated and offers shot blocking, though won't stay in front of guards like TT. O'Quinns advanced metrics are better than TT all around if you care to check them out.

Yeah LeBron could convince him I think. Means Bron would probably stay the last two years since the whole team will only have two years left besides JR.

[mcscotty]

While it would be ideal to have the roster in place by training camp, it's a really bad time to be moving Kyrie. This is a decision that shouldn't be rushed. The FO needs to be patient and hold off till mid-season. Better opportunities will present themselves.

[JMac1]

If it means they'll include Chris instead, I'm good.

I could maybe live with Chriss who is pretty raw, but does have a lot of upside and is a great athlete instead of Jackson,but I would at the least demand their 2018 pick from Miami that is already top 7 protected maybe let them make it top 10 protected so they have a 3 pick chance of retaining it.

I'd probably ask for, at least, the Suns pick unprotected this year. If they're keeping Jackson, the pick consideration should go up. Let them think Kyrie will take that team to the playoffs in the West.

Let them think Kyrie will take us to the playoffs!?! Come on man, we know he won't. If our board isn't that dumb, why would you think our GM is? That's a little arrogant on your part.

If the deal isn't right for us, we will pass. Not going to try to rip you off, however, that damn sure goes both ways especially when it's YOUR guy is the one who wants to be traded.

There is a little caveat that effects his value...well two..well three. He can leave in two years, he is a one-way player, and he seems like a "me" guy. That's bad news for a guy who is 25 years old and paring him with a guy who is doing all the right things in Phoenix and he is only 20.

No strong-arming. Sorry.

[JMac1]

While it would be ideal to have the roster in place by training camp, it's a really bad time to be moving Kyrie. This is a decision that shouldn't be rushed. The FO needs to be patient and hold off till mid-season. Better opportunities will present themselves.

I would love to see if the rumors are true about Lebron wanting to get in his ass.... please keep him until Mid-season.

[jbk1234]

I could maybe live with Chriss who is pretty raw, but does have a lot of upside and is a great athlete instead of Jackson,but I would at the least demand their 2018 pick from Miami that is already top 7 protected maybe let them make it top 10 protected so they have a 3 pick chance of retaining it.

I'd probably ask for, at least, the Suns pick unprotected this year. If they're keeping Jackson, the pick consideration should go up. Let them think Kyrie will take that team to the playoffs in the West.

Let them think Kyrie will take us to the playoffs!?! Come on man, we know he won't. If our board isn't that dumb, why would you think our GM is? That's a little arrogant on your part.

If the deal isn't right for us, we will pass. Not going to try to rip you off, however, that damn sure goes both ways especially when it's YOUR guy is the one who wants to be traded.

There is a little caveat that effects his value...well two..well three. He can leave in two years, he is a one-way player, and he seems like a "me" guy. That's bad news for a guy who is 25 years old and paring him with a guy who is doing all the right things in Phoenix and he is only 20.

No strong-arming. Sorry.

This has nothing to do with strong-arming. You're not obligated to trade for him. The market sets the price. You want to pay it, or not. But I suspect that Dener & the Wolves, who are each one star away from having three stars, are highly motivated.

[Chello1]

I'd probably ask for, at least, the Suns pick unprotected this year. If they're keeping Jackson, the pick consideration should go up. Let them think Kyrie will take that team to the playoffs in the West.

Let them think Kyrie will take us to the playoffs!?! Come on man, we know he won't. If our board isn't that dumb, why would you think our GM is? That's a little arrogant on your part.

If the deal isn't right for us, we will pass. Not going to try to rip you off, however, that damn sure goes both ways especially when it's YOUR guy is the one who wants to be traded.

There is a little caveat that effects his value...well two..well three. He can leave in two years, he is a one-way player, and he seems like a "me" guy. That's bad news for a guy who is 25 years old and paring him with a guy who is doing all the right things in Phoenix and he is only 20.

No strong-arming. Sorry.

This has nothing to do with strong-arming. You're not obligated to trade for him. The market sets the price. You want to pay it, or not. But I suspect that Dener & the Wolves, who are each one star away from having three stars, are highly motivated.

If the wolves are dumb enough to offer Wiggins and Dieng you really have a great offer. Take Wiggins and run! He gives the chance at a real superstar; period. No one else can offer a player with the upside of this young man!!!!! Dieng is a very good player and will net you a positive if you want to trade him for other pieces.

[Chello1]

Let them think Kyrie will take us to the playoffs!?! Come on man, we know he won't. If our board isn't that dumb, why would you think our GM is? That's a little arrogant on your part.

If the deal isn't right for us, we will pass. Not going to try to rip you off, however, that damn sure goes both ways especially when it's YOUR guy is the one who wants to be traded.

There is a little caveat that effects his value...well two..well three. He can leave in two years, he is a one-way player, and he seems like a "me" guy. That's bad news for a guy who is 25 years old and paring him with a guy who is doing all the right things in Phoenix and he is only 20.

No strong-arming. Sorry.

This has nothing to do with strong-arming. You're not obligated to trade for him. The market sets the price. You want to pay it, or not. But I suspect that Dener & the Wolves, who are each one star away from having three stars, are highly motivated.

If the wolves are dumb enough to offer Wiggins and Dieng you really have a great offer. Take Wiggins and run! He gives the chance at a real superstar; period. No one else can offer a player with the upside of this young man!!!!! Dieng is a very good player and will net you a positive if you want to trade him for other pieces. If you put Wiggins around Lebron for a year I think the sky is the limit. I also think that way with Wiggins around Jimmy Butler in Minnesota. I hope we keep Wiggins but it seems like we may not!

[jbk1234]

Let them think Kyrie will take us to the playoffs!?! Come on man, we know he won't. If our board isn't that dumb, why would you think our GM is? That's a little arrogant on your part.

If the deal isn't right for us, we will pass. Not going to try to rip you off, however, that damn sure goes both ways especially when it's YOUR guy is the one who wants to be traded.

There is a little caveat that effects his value...well two..well three. He can leave in two years, he is a one-way player, and he seems like a "me" guy. That's bad news for a guy who is 25 years old and paring him with a guy who is doing all the right things in Phoenix and he is only 20.

No strong-arming. Sorry.

This has nothing to do with strong-arming. You're not obligated to trade for him. The market sets the price. You want to pay it, or not. But I suspect that Dener & the Wolves, who are each one star away from having three stars, are highly motivated.

If the wolves are dumb enough to offer Wiggins and Dieng you really have a great offer. Take Wiggins and run! He gives the chance at a real superstar; period. No one else can offer a player with the upside of this young man!!!!! Dieng is a very good player and will net you a positive if you want to trade him for other pieces.

I'd even be willing to ship Dieng to a third team for two pieces and let the Wolves get a backup wing.

[JMac1]

This has nothing to do with strong-arming. You're not obligated to trade for him. The market sets the price. You want to pay it, or not. But I suspect that Dener & the Wolves, who are each one star away from having three stars, are highly motivated.

If the wolves are dumb enough to offer Wiggins and Dieng you really have a great offer. Take Wiggins and run! He gives the chance at a real superstar; period. No one else can offer a player with the upside of this young man!!!!! Dieng is a very good player and will net you a positive if you want to trade him for other pieces.

I'd even be willing to ship Dieng to a third team for two pieces and let the Wolves get a backup wing.

I'm willing to do a Sig bet on that. Kyrie doesn't fit better than Wiggins with KAT and Butler. All they need is a decent defense playing PG with those guys, not a score first guy. Butler and KAT and Wiggins can all get their own shots.....

The Minny talk is BS IMO. id take it and run too....should be done already.

[jbk1234]

If the wolves are dumb enough to offer Wiggins and Dieng you really have a great offer. Take Wiggins and run! He gives the chance at a real superstar; period. No one else can offer a player with the upside of this young man!!!!! Dieng is a very good player and will net you a positive if you want to trade him for other pieces.

I'd even be willing to ship Dieng to a third team for two pieces and let the Wolves get a backup wing.

I'm willing to do a Sig bet on that. Kyrie doesn't fit better than Wiggins with KAT and Butler. All they need is a decent defense playing PG with those guys, not a score first guy. Butler and KAT and Wiggins can all get their own shots.....

The Minny talk is BS IMO. id take it and run too....should be done already.

So any report that has another team offering more than you want to pay is bogus? Got it.

[JMac1]

I'd even be willing to ship Dieng to a third team for two pieces and let the Wolves get a backup wing.

I'm willing to do a Sig bet on that. Kyrie doesn't fit better than Wiggins with KAT and Butler. All they need is a decent defense playing PG with those guys, not a score first guy. Butler and KAT and Wiggins can all get their own shots.....

The Minny talk is BS IMO. id take it and run too....should be done already.

So any report that has another team offering more than you want to pay is bogus? Got it.

Come on man....you are better than that. I shouldn't have to be so abstract and detailed to get you to understand a simple point. but just to entertain your statement. If it walks, talks, and act like a duck.......

[jbk1234]

I'm willing to do a Sig bet on that. Kyrie doesn't fit better than Wiggins with KAT and Butler. All they need is a decent defense playing PG with those guys, not a score first guy. Butler and KAT and Wiggins can all get their own shots.....

The Minny talk is BS IMO. id take it and run too....should be done already.

So any report that has another team offering more than you want to pay is bogus? Got it.

Come on man....you are better than that. I shouldn't have to be so abstract and detailed to get you to understand a simple point. but just to entertain your statement. If it walks, talks, and act like a duck.......

I find the notion that all these teams that are highly motivated to get Kyrie, but yet are all going to low ball the Cavs, to be contradictory. Add in the fact that both the Wolves & the Nuggets have guys in the last years of their rookie deals, and I suspect the Cavs net at least one really good young player out of the deal.

[JMac1]

So any report that has another team offering more than you want to pay is bogus? Got it.

Come on man....you are better than that. I shouldn't have to be so abstract and detailed to get you to understand a simple point. but just to entertain your statement. If it walks, talks, and act like a duck.......

I find the notion that all these teams that are highly motivated to get Kyrie, but yet are all going to low ball the Cavs, to be contradictory. Add in the fact that both the Wolves & the Nuggets have guys in the last years of their rookie deals, and I suspect the Cavs net at least one really good young player out of the deal.

They should get a really good young player, and they will. You have to give ass to get ass as the old saying goes.

Teams are motivated for the right price, which is totally subjective. The Butler, Cousins, and George trades (although different) will weigh heavy in discussions.

[jbk1234]

Come on man....you are better than that. I shouldn't have to be so abstract and detailed to get you to understand a simple point. but just to entertain your statement. If it walks, talks, and act like a duck.......

I find the notion that all these teams that are highly motivated to get Kyrie, but yet are all going to low ball the Cavs, to be contradictory. Add in the fact that both the Wolves & the Nuggets have guys in the last years of their rookie deals, and I suspect the Cavs net at least one really good young player out of the deal.

They should get a really good young player, and they will. You have to give ass to get ass as the old saying goes.

Teams are motivated for the right price, which is totally subjective. The Butler, Cousins, and George trades (although different) will weigh heavy in discussions.

People would be wise never to bring up the PG trade with the Cavs F.O. seeing as how we had a much better return lined up with the Pacers & they reneged to send him out West. Phoenix offered Bledsoe & No. 4 for Kyrie before the draft. They're going to have a hard time walking back from that.

[Stillwater]

^^^ Yep, the timber wolves fan base is justified in their concerns about moving Wiggins , when it is because they like his game better than Irving on that roster, but to make excuses that Irving is not worth Wiggins is irrational. Irving is a multiple time all star. Wiggins is not.
No matter how depreciated any players value may become as a whole due to trade "requests" , it doesn't lessen the value of the player so much that the owner of that players contract is going to resort to a losing deal just to make for a stable locker room.

They are all grown men, well some of them are not, but the fact is, we gave alot to get Love : Wiggins along with another #1 overall pick (who was not a complete bust at that point) ,Thadeus Young via Philly & a TPE for Kevin Love ,Mbah A Moute & Alex Shved. Moute and Shved went to Philly along with a future 1st from Miami that the Cavs had the rights to.
The Wolves turned around and traded Young to the Nets for Garnett before the deadline.

To think , as so many T-wolves fans are, that Irving won't get us a player of Wiggins status and more could only be described as the view from a rose colored lens.

[JMac1]

I find the notion that all these teams that are highly motivated to get Kyrie, but yet are all going to low ball the Cavs, to be contradictory. Add in the fact that both the Wolves & the Nuggets have guys in the last years of their rookie deals, and I suspect the Cavs net at least one really good young player out of the deal.

They should get a really good young player, and they will. You have to give ass to get ass as the old saying goes.

Teams are motivated for the right price, which is totally subjective. The Butler, Cousins, and George trades (although different) will weigh heavy in discussions.

People would be wise never to bring up the PG trade with the Cavs F.O. seeing as how we had a much better return lined up with the Pacers & they reneged to send him out West. Phoenix offered Bledsoe & No. 4 for Kyrie before the draft. They're going to have a hard time walking back from that.

I would have traded Bledsoe and the number four for Irving no doubt, but once number four became an actually player and attachedment occurred that changes things, also I, as I believe the Suns FO wanted JJ for a long time and didn't think he would "fall" but thanks to the Celts, he did and I am sold, and from the sounds of things or FO is too. That doesn't mean Kyrie isn't worth it, it just means we have our preference, and as ridiculous or idiotic as some may believe we just don't want (I hope it's true) to give him up.

[jbk1234]

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[MHZ]

Gotta respect the hustle of Kyler. The sheer volume he puts out without ever really saying anything of value is phenomenal.