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Re: Zion Williamson 

Post#181 » by KobesScarf » Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:42 am

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KobesScarf wrote:IMO he shouldn't be playing on the perimeter at all right now. His handle is limited as well. So is his passing(clearly not a natural). You work on these things but they should not be a focus and more importantly its very very very easy to get lazy on the perimeter. The best way to deploy his natural talent(primarily strength hands leaping) is crashing the boards and catching lobs and any time he spends on the perimeter is not giving him an opportunity to do that.


Crashing the boards and catching lobs is something any player can do today. You don't need to learn how to do it, you just do it (if you can). There is literally no upside to "practicing" these things.

If he's as unskilled as you think he is handling, shooting, and passing the ball, you have basically described the career path of Tristan Thompson or Kenneth Faried. If he's going to be more than that, he clearly does need to work on all those aspects of his game.

I wouldn't draft the player you are describing in the top 10, let alone top 3.


#1 The player I'm describing is Kenny Faried + Ben Wallace's strength, Russell Westbrook's explosiveness, and Blake Griffin's hands and timing.

#2 You absolutely can work on crashing the boards and catching lobs

#3 You misunderstood my post crashing the boards and catching lobs is the best way to deploy his natural talent and the things that he should be working should compliment his natural talent. So he should be focused on moving without the ball, finishing with his right, finishing over length(should be playing center for his AAU squad), and he needs a reliable catch and shoot mid range

#4 Anything is better than playing on the perimeter because it makes you lazy and he'll start to get dreams of being Vince Carter instead of the elite MVP calibur player he could become
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Re: Zion Williamson 

Post#182 » by sam_I_am » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:16 pm

He looks like Guershon Yabousele with an extra 6 inches vertical leap
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Re: Zion Williamson 

Post#183 » by Hoopz Afrik » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:32 pm

crazy_me_87 wrote:
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EvanZ wrote:I'm not understanding the Barkley comparison. He's closer to Blake Griffin than Barkley from what I can tell.


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True.. but also very lazy on most peoples part.. Charles was actually chubby.. not in a "fat" kinda way but we was nor exactly ripped.. wich made his sucsess so baffling.

Zion if you look at him closely or Shirtless you see he is Shredded.. almost no fat. He has thick muscles.

They are both "thick" thats about where the simillarities end. Zion is so insane at 17 because he looks like 2012-2013 Lebron in terms of Thick but Ripped.

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Look at his Arms.. thats not Fat..


I agree with that being a lazy comparison if that's the sole reason (and for a few folks I've talked to that seems to be the case). For me, I do see a lot of 76ers Barkley in him. Makes a lot of plays off the bounce and getting down hill toward the basket. Still does a fair share of work on the block and seems to love taking folks to the woodshed. Not the level of creator off for others or rebounder that Barkley was but then again he's only 17. Seems like a hardworker. Hopefully he continues on this upward trajectory.
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Re: Zion Williamson 

Post#184 » by doordoor123 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:58 pm

I think he's getting slightly underrated. He might not be the best defender in the NBA, but he has such physical ability. In the NBA he's going to get up and down the floor really quick. I get the Charles Barkley comparison, but I also think Barkley is much more suited for today's game than yesteryear's because of his speed, athleticism and strength. I see Zion as a guy with a super high ceiling, and with the way that he finishes, I think he can be an impact player in the NBA if he came over right now.
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Re: Zion Williamson 

Post#185 » by jonjames » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:52 pm

He hasnt looked nearly as explosive in his most recent aau footage hopefully he can regain back to his old form and solidify himself as the #1 prospect in class of 18.
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Post#186 » by Brauer » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:52 pm

I also think Zion reminds me of Griffin. I think people are underrating the ball skills and dribbling ability of Blake Griffin since he has changed his game recently to more of a finesse, pick and pop player.
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Re: Zion Williamson 

Post#187 » by EvanZ » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:12 pm

KobesScarf wrote:#4 Anything is better than playing on the perimeter because it makes you lazy and he'll start to get dreams of being Vince Carter instead of the elite MVP calibur player he could become


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Re: Zion Williamson 

Post#188 » by EvanZ » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:22 pm

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EvanZ wrote:
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Zion has faaaar better ballskills but is even more undersized than Blake Griffin.


This is wrong on pretty much every level lol. :lol:

FWIW, Barkley was like 6'4" 260. Zion is 6'7" barefoot, 230. He's much closer to Blake Griffin's measurements than Chuck.


Barkley was listed at 6'6. Zion is also a kid. The differences in build and athleticism are clear. He plays like a slashing wing, and I don't see any similarities to Griffin.

You shouldn't be so rude and dismissive of other peoples opinions.


Barkley being listed at 6'6" means he's 6'4.5" barefoot. So what's your point? Zion has at least 2.5" on him barefoot.

Are you suggesting that Zion is closer to Chuck because Chuck was a "slashing wing"? Really?
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Re: Zion Williamson 

Post#189 » by GimmeDat » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:58 am

EvanZ wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
This is wrong on pretty much every level lol. :lol:

FWIW, Barkley was like 6'4" 260. Zion is 6'7" barefoot, 230. He's much closer to Blake Griffin's measurements than Chuck.


Barkley was listed at 6'6. Zion is also a kid. The differences in build and athleticism are clear. He plays like a slashing wing, and I don't see any similarities to Griffin.

You shouldn't be so rude and dismissive of other peoples opinions.


Barkley being listed at 6'6" means he's 6'4.5" barefoot. So what's your point? Zion has at least 2.5" on him barefoot.

Are you suggesting that Zion is closer to Chuck because Chuck was a "slashing wing"? Really?


To ask that is to be disingenuous, I said he was closer to Chuck than to Blake, because he is nothing like Blake.
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Re: Zion Williamson 

Post#190 » by jonjames » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:10 am

EvanZ wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
This is wrong on pretty much every level lol. :lol:

FWIW, Barkley was like 6'4" 260. Zion is 6'7" barefoot, 230. He's much closer to Blake Griffin's measurements than Chuck.


Barkley was listed at 6'6. Zion is also a kid. The differences in build and athleticism are clear. He plays like a slashing wing, and I don't see any similarities to Griffin.

You shouldn't be so rude and dismissive of other peoples opinions.


Barkley being listed at 6'6" means he's 6'4.5" barefoot. So what's your point? Zion has at least 2.5" on him barefoot.

Are you suggesting that Zion is closer to Chuck because Chuck was a "slashing wing"? Really?


Zion is not 6'8 in shoes. Hes 6'6 in shoes. Barkley was a legit 6'6 in shoes idk why hes always mentioned with his barefoot height.
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Re: Zion Williamson 

Post#191 » by KobesScarf » Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:32 pm

LeBron_da_Don wrote:
crazy_me_87 wrote:
LeBron_da_Don wrote:
Stature


True.. but also very lazy on most peoples part.. Charles was actually chubby.. not in a "fat" kinda way but we was nor exactly ripped.. wich made his sucsess so baffling.

Zion if you look at him closely or Shirtless you see he is Shredded.. almost no fat. He has thick muscles.

They are both "thick" thats about where the simillarities end. Zion is so insane at 17 because he looks like 2012-2013 Lebron in terms of Thick but Ripped.

Image

Look at his Arms.. thats not Fat..


I agree with that being a lazy comparison if that's the sole reason (and for a few folks I've talked to that seems to be the case). For me, I do see a lot of 76ers Barkley in him. Makes a lot of plays off the bounce and getting down hill toward the basket. Still does a fair share of work on the block and seems to love taking folks to the woodshed. Not the level of creator off for others or rebounder that Barkley was but then again he's only 17. Seems like a hardworker. Hopefully he continues on this upward trajectory.


Physique wise his goal should be Ben Wallace. I also don't think he needs to be the super elite 1 on 1 half court scorer Barkley was. Because the supporting players and coaches just aren't there for it. I think he should be even more focused than Barkley was on offensive boards and even more dominant in transition than Barkley was.
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Re: Zion Williamson 

Post#192 » by Justwar » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:10 pm

What is funny is zion might not even be the best player at his position. True he has great physical skills but a lot of smart folks have Cameron reddish overtaking him
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Re: Zion Williamson 

Post#193 » by EvanZ » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:35 pm

jonjames wrote:
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GimmeDat wrote:
Barkley was listed at 6'6. Zion is also a kid. The differences in build and athleticism are clear. He plays like a slashing wing, and I don't see any similarities to Griffin.

You shouldn't be so rude and dismissive of other peoples opinions.


Barkley being listed at 6'6" means he's 6'4.5" barefoot. So what's your point? Zion has at least 2.5" on him barefoot.

Are you suggesting that Zion is closer to Chuck because Chuck was a "slashing wing"? Really?


Zion is not 6'8 in shoes. Hes 6'6 in shoes. Barkley was a legit 6'6 in shoes idk why hes always mentioned with his barefoot height.


Because we need to compare apples to apples. Pretty standard stuff.
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Post#194 » by KobesScarf » Wed Aug 9, 2017 9:05 am

Justwar wrote:What is funny is zion might not even be the best player at his position. True he has great physical skills but a lot of smart folks have Cameron reddish overtaking him


:lol: not after Adidas Nations

If you watch the plays that start at:
3:09
3:52
4:01
5:12
5:25
5:57
6:21

and still think Zion should be fooling around on the perimeter then I don't know what to tell you. When he decides to hit the offensive glass he's INSANELY dominant and its clearly the best way to deploy his natural gifts


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Re: Zion Williamson 

Post#195 » by DASMACKDOWN » Wed Aug 9, 2017 3:41 pm

I think people have to stop for a second and remember the kid is 16 years old. He is probably in the 1 percentile in the world, that has his size and athleticism at that age. Dude has the size of an 10 year NBA vet.

There is a reason why he looks like he is playing little kids out there. That's what typical 16 year olds look like LOL.

Hes got 1 year HS left, and maybe 1 college year. 2019 should be a clear indication to see if he could potentially be the next big thing.
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Post#196 » by reanimator » Wed Aug 9, 2017 4:22 pm

KobesScarf wrote:
Justwar wrote:What is funny is zion might not even be the best player at his position. True he has great physical skills but a lot of smart folks have Cameron reddish overtaking him


:lol: not after Adidas Nations

If you watch the plays that start at:
3:09
3:52
4:01
5:12
5:25
5:57
6:21

and still think Zion should be fooling around on the perimeter then I don't know what to tell you. When he decides to hit the offensive glass he's INSANELY dominant and its clearly the best way to deploy his natural gifts




Zion barely managed an apg, shot 0-2 from 3, and wasn't in the top 5 for rebounding at Nations through 6 games playing against mostly suspect and younger competition. Not to say he didn't have a great camp but I wouldn't point to Nations as some sort of revelation.
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Post#197 » by KobesScarf » Wed Aug 9, 2017 10:12 pm

reanimator wrote:Zion barely managed an apg, shot 0-2 from 3, and wasn't in the top 5 for rebounding at Nations through 6 games playing against mostly suspect and younger competition. Not to say he didn't have a great camp but I wouldn't point to Nations as some sort of revelation.


:roll: :roll: :roll: ummm all he did was completely dominate the event from start to finish and the fact that he only took 2 3s and didn't try to be a playmaker is the reason why.
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Post#198 » by reanimator » Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:36 pm

KobesScarf wrote:
reanimator wrote:Zion barely managed an apg, shot 0-2 from 3, and wasn't in the top 5 for rebounding at Nations through 6 games playing against mostly suspect and younger competition. Not to say he didn't have a great camp but I wouldn't point to Nations as some sort of revelation.


:roll: :roll: :roll: ummm all he did was completely dominate the event from start to finish and the fact that he only took 2 3s and didn't try to be a playmaker is the reason why.


Which works against 16 year olds and meddling international competition but will it translate at the highest level is the question.
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Post#199 » by KobesScarf » Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:14 am

reanimator wrote:
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reanimator wrote:Zion barely managed an apg, shot 0-2 from 3, and wasn't in the top 5 for rebounding at Nations through 6 games playing against mostly suspect and younger competition. Not to say he didn't have a great camp but I wouldn't point to Nations as some sort of revelation.


:roll: :roll: :roll: ummm all he did was completely dominate the event from start to finish and the fact that he only took 2 3s and didn't try to be a playmaker is the reason why.


Which works against 16 year olds and meddling international competition but will it translate at the highest level is the question.


If he has peaked physically at 16 then no it won't translate but that goes for anyone. But I think Zion's eventual physique is Ben Wallace.
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Re: Zion Williamson 

Post#200 » by Hoopz Afrik » Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:59 pm

If even Zion has peaked physically he'd still be (at worst) in the 90th percentile of athletes in the NBA. That kind of power, strength, coordination, and explosiveness doesn't just come around all too often.
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