VOTE: Would you trade Wiggins + filler for Kyrie?

[mplsfonz23]

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[mplsfonz23]

With Gilbert continuing to talk about the weak return for PG, I'm thinking that the Cavs aren't looking for adequate compensation, they are looking for a clear overpayment.

That's what you expect him to say. I don't know how much it necessarily means.

The Cavs situation is kind of different than in most star trades though, [b]so I think they could keep Irving if they wanted to[b]

Would you?
I don't think it's that easy. If a star wants out, and you force him to stay with teammates that knows he wants out, how do you think he will fit? Pretty sure it's hard to give 100% when you don't want to be there.

I don't think they will get a better player than Wiggins in any deal, so why give him up? I personally think there is so much more to it than him being tired of LBJ, and that gives me pause. Thibs better do some heavy research before pulling the trigger. Plus, GS will still be the best team for two years, by then we should be ready with a more mature Wiggins, Towns and Butler signed to a fresh contract, we could be a destination for FA's for a little while.

[Worm Guts]

With Gilbert continuing to talk about the weak return for PG, I'm thinking that the Cavs aren't looking for adequate compensation, they are looking for a clear overpayment.

That's what you expect him to say. I don't know how much it necessarily means.

The Cavs situation is kind of different than in most star trades though, so I think they could keep Irving if they wanted to.

Would you?
I don't think it's that easy. If a star wants out, and you force him to stay with teammates that knows he wants out, how do you think he will fit? Pretty sure it's hard to give 100% when you don't want to be there.

It depends on the return, I just know they are in their championship window and in their situation I would be pretty hesitant to make any trades that would make the team worse. I figure Irving and Lebron have an entire season to sort things out and most likely their competitive natures will take over and they will eventually focus on winning.

[mplsfonz23]

That's what you expect him to say. I don't know how much it necessarily means.

The Cavs situation is kind of different than in most star trades though, so I think they could keep Irving if they wanted to.

Would you?
I don't think it's that easy. If a star wants out, and you force him to stay with teammates that knows he wants out, how do you think he will fit? Pretty sure it's hard to give 100% when you don't want to be there.

It depends on the return, I just know they are in their championship window and in their situation I would be pretty hesitant to make any trades that would make the team worse. I figure Irving and Lebron have an entire season to sort things out and most likely their competitive natures will take over and they will eventually focus on winning.

But what if there is a rift between those two so bad that it won't work? Plus Wiggins does not give them a better chance. He in fact does make them a worse team now if the main scorer is gone. I don't think Rose is going to fill those shoes. And speaking of Rose, how does he fit with Irving? (He's already in James secret gym.) Does he come off the bench? Will he accept that role? I think Irving doesn't set foot in camp, and without a surprise team willing to part with what Cavs want, they will settle for pennies. IMHO.

[AirP.]

It depends on the return, I just know they are in their championship window and in their situation I would be pretty hesitant to make any trades that would make the team worse. I figure Irving and Lebron have an entire season to sort things out and most likely their competitive natures will take over and they will eventually focus on winning.

If Cleveland doesn't trade Irving now, he's a 1 year rental next year which really will hurt Cleveland's return which might tack 1-2 years onto their rebuild. This is the headache you deal with when LeBron is doing his short term deals, it's not always great for the players or FO.

On player's playing together with rifts... you can play together and do well, you just won't play as well as you could if there wasn't a rift. Less extra game planning together and not as much give and take. Maybe they're 90%-95% of what they could be without a rift, but they won't be 100%.

[KGdaBom]

It depends on the return, I just know they are in their championship window and in their situation I would be pretty hesitant to make any trades that would make the team worse. I figure Irving and Lebron have an entire season to sort things out and most likely their competitive natures will take over and they will eventually focus on winning.

If Cleveland doesn't trade Irving now, he's a 1 year rental next year which really will hurt Cleveland's return which might tack 1-2 years onto their rebuild. This is the headache you deal with when LeBron is doing his short term deals, it's not always great for the players or FO.

On player's playing together with rifts... you can play together and do well, you just won't play as well as you could if there wasn't a rift. Less extra game planning together and not as much give and take. Maybe they're 90%-95% of what they could be without a rift, but they won't be 100%.

I would take LeBron on a one year deal if the price is right LOL.

[AirP.]

It depends on the return, I just know they are in their championship window and in their situation I would be pretty hesitant to make any trades that would make the team worse. I figure Irving and Lebron have an entire season to sort things out and most likely their competitive natures will take over and they will eventually focus on winning.

If Cleveland doesn't trade Irving now, he's a 1 year rental next year which really will hurt Cleveland's return which might tack 1-2 years onto their rebuild. This is the headache you deal with when LeBron is doing his short term deals, it's not always great for the players or FO.

On player's playing together with rifts... you can play together and do well, you just won't play as well as you could if there wasn't a rift. Less extra game planning together and not as much give and take. Maybe they're 90%-95% of what they could be without a rift, but they won't be 100%.

I would take LeBron on a one year deal if the price is right LOL.

You understand you're also going to have to basically do what he wants to have the highest chance at winning? Like possibly move Towns for M.Gasol to give him a better chance at winning? Towns has no idea how the playoffs work. Keep this in mind there is more then just adding L.James to your roster.

[Oriole8159]

It depends on the return, I just know they are in their championship window and in their situation I would be pretty hesitant to make any trades that would make the team worse. I figure Irving and Lebron have an entire season to sort things out and most likely their competitive natures will take over and they will eventually focus on winning.

If Cleveland doesn't trade Irving now, he's a 1 year rental next year which really will hurt Cleveland's return which might tack 1-2 years onto their rebuild. This is the headache you deal with when LeBron is doing his short term deals, it's not always great for the players or FO.

On player's playing together with rifts... you can play together and do well, you just won't play as well as you could if there wasn't a rift. Less extra game planning together and not as much give and take. Maybe they're 90%-95% of what they could be without a rift, but they won't be 100%.

I personally don't think Cle cares about the rebuild.
I think Gilbert knows that the organization is **** and that they got lucky that the greatest player on the planet wanted to do them a favor and play for them, and he needs to milk it for all it's worth before they go back to being the same **** organization they were before Lebron.

I don't think 1-2 years extra on the rebuild is worth sacrificing one more title run. They may not get back to the finals for another 20 years.

[AirP.]

I personally don't think Cle cares about the rebuild.
I think Gilbert knows that the organization is **** and that they got lucky that the greatest player on the planet wanted to do them a favor and play for them, and he needs to milk it for all it's worth before they go back to being the same **** organization they were before Lebron.

I don't think 1-2 years extra on the rebuild is worth sacrificing one more title run. They may not get back to the finals for another 20 years.

Had you not said Cleveland or Gilbert I would have thought you may have been talking about Chicago. It sucks for teams with owners who don't prioritize winning.

I don't think Cleveland has what it'll take to beat Golden State without a a big break, I'd be preparing for the future.

[KGdaBom]

If Cleveland doesn't trade Irving now, he's a 1 year rental next year which really will hurt Cleveland's return which might tack 1-2 years onto their rebuild. This is the headache you deal with when LeBron is doing his short term deals, it's not always great for the players or FO.

On player's playing together with rifts... you can play together and do well, you just won't play as well as you could if there wasn't a rift. Less extra game planning together and not as much give and take. Maybe they're 90%-95% of what they could be without a rift, but they won't be 100%.

I would take LeBron on a one year deal if the price is right LOL.

You understand you're also going to have to basically do what he wants to have the highest chance at winning? Like possibly move Towns for M.Gasol to give him a better chance at winning? Towns has no idea how the playoffs work. Keep this in mind there is more then just adding L.James to your roster.

Never Happen. Wiggins for Love is as far as he carried that thinking.

[Oriole8159]

I personally don't think Cle cares about the rebuild.
I think Gilbert knows that the organization is **** and that they got lucky that the greatest player on the planet wanted to do them a favor and play for them, and he needs to milk it for all it's worth before they go back to being the same **** organization they were before Lebron.

I don't think 1-2 years extra on the rebuild is worth sacrificing one more title run. They may not get back to the finals for another 20 years.

Are you talking about Cleveland or Chicago? It sucks for teams with owners who don't prioritize winning.

I don't think Cleveland has what it'll take to beat Golden State without a a big break, I'd be preparing for the future.

Cleveland.
And I'm not even meaning to imply that they don't prioritize winning, just that they'll go back to being an irrelevant team starting from scratch again that doesn't have a built in draw from FAs that will help expedite the process. At least teams like the Lakers, Knicks, Mavs or Heat have secondary draws for FA outside of just the current core of players (i.e. big city market exposure, warm weather, no taxes, great ownership) but Cle doesn't offer any of that.

They'll have to start over from scratch anyway and hope they get multiple years of great drafts before they'll be on the radar again...so why not swing for the fence one more time now and hope they can get lucky?

[Crazy-Canuck]

I personally don't think Cle cares about the rebuild.
I think Gilbert knows that the organization is **** and that they got lucky that the greatest player on the planet wanted to do them a favor and play for them, and he needs to milk it for all it's worth before they go back to being the same **** organization they were before Lebron.

I don't think 1-2 years extra on the rebuild is worth sacrificing one more title run. They may not get back to the finals for another 20 years.

Had you not said Cleveland or Gilbert I would have thought you may have been talking about Chicago. It sucks for teams with owners who don't prioritize winning.

I don't think Cleveland has what it'll take to beat Golden State without a a big break, I'd be preparing for the future.

Yeah, but with the east as bad as it is, it's a clear path for the Cavs to the finals. People say winning cures all. I think the bron-irving dreams is going to test it.

[AirP.]

I would take LeBron on a one year deal if the price is right LOL.

You understand you're also going to have to basically do what he wants to have the highest chance at winning? Like possibly move Towns for M.Gasol to give him a better chance at winning? Towns has no idea how the playoffs work. Keep this in mind there is more then just adding L.James to your roster.

Never Happen. Wiggins for Love is as far as he carried that thinking.

If it's for 1 year, I wouldn't put it past him. You'd have to admit for next year M.Gasol would be the better of the 2 to try to win a championship.

[KGdaBom]

You understand you're also going to have to basically do what he wants to have the highest chance at winning? Like possibly move Towns for M.Gasol to give him a better chance at winning? Towns has no idea how the playoffs work. Keep this in mind there is more then just adding L.James to your roster.

Never Happen. Wiggins for Love is as far as he carried that thinking.

If it's for 1 year, I wouldn't put it past him. You'd have to admit for next year M.Gasol would be the better of the 2 to try to win a championship.

I don't admit that at all. As a matter of fact I think Towns is the better player to win a championship this year.

[AirP.]

Never Happen. Wiggins for Love is as far as he carried that thinking.

If it's for 1 year, I wouldn't put it past him. You'd have to admit for next year M.Gasol would be the better of the 2 to try to win a championship.

I don't admit that at all. As a matter of fact I think Towns is the better player to win a championship this year.

So how is Towns going to deal with winning in a 7 game series when the other team is making adjustments. What about defense? How about knowing how the game is a little different in the playoffs vs the regular season and the ability to use that to their advantage?

[bake51]

If Cleveland doesn't trade Irving now, he's a 1 year rental next year which really will hurt Cleveland's return which might tack 1-2 years onto their rebuild. This is the headache you deal with when LeBron is doing his short term deals, it's not always great for the players or FO.

On player's playing together with rifts... you can play together and do well, you just won't play as well as you could if there wasn't a rift. Less extra game planning together and not as much give and take. Maybe they're 90%-95% of what they could be without a rift, but they won't be 100%.

I would take LeBron on a one year deal if the price is right LOL.

You understand you're also going to have to basically do what he wants to have the highest chance at winning? Like possibly move Towns for M.Gasol to give him a better chance at winning? Towns has no idea how the playoffs work. Keep this in mind there is more then just adding L.James to your roster.

I really doubt Lebron would want to trade KAT for anybody other than a top 5 player.

[Baseline81]

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[AirP.]

I would take LeBron on a one year deal if the price is right LOL.

You understand you're also going to have to basically do what he wants to have the highest chance at winning? Like possibly move Towns for M.Gasol to give him a better chance at winning? Towns has no idea how the playoffs work. Keep this in mind there is more then just adding L.James to your roster.

I really doubt Lebron would want to trade KAT for anybody other than a top 5 player.

Say right now... LeBron is joining Minnesota for 1 year as he's waiting to go to LA next year. He doesn't care about next year in Minnesota, all he cares about is having the best team he could for that one year. If he believes that just next year Gasol or whatever other vet center is better next year then Towns he wouldn't want to up his chances that ONE YEAR he's there?

I get if he'd be there multiple years, he'd probably go with Towns, but for 1 year, expecting a player who never played a single game in the playoffs to be better then Gasol would be seems a stretch.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Apparently, irving really wants to go the knicks now.

[Avihs7]

Apparently, irving really wants to go the knicks now.

I certainly hope so, want no part of him in Mn if it involves moving Wiggens
Keep him in the east