Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion

[phrazbit]

If the suns get kyrie they will be one star away from a title. Pretty exciting!!

Bledsoe, Warren, something else

Kyrie - all star
Booker- will be all star
Jackson- ?
Chriss ?
Bender ?

We would have 2 all stars 25 and younger, which would mean we would need 1/3 of the other guys to be an all star or top player.

Then sign one big time free agent.

So really if we get kyrie we are 1 all star FA away from being a title contender

Kyrie won't be an all-star in the west.

[thamadkant]

How many Suns fans would trade Booker for Irving? Or Jackson?

I wouldn't trade Booker for anyone but LeoBron, Curry, Westbrook, or Durant.

Anthony Davis is worth more than most of those players.

And Kawhi Leonard

[AtheJ415]

Tough call. Lebron who is a champion vs. Sarver who pretty much destroyed this franchise

MJ, Isiah Thomas, etc.. Tons of NBA champions have been worse than Sarver in exec roles. Lebron has run the Cavs damn near his entire career, and their only saving grace was that the NBA gifted them a bunch of 1st overall picks after he left and then that he signed there after. Otherwise, his "GMing" gets them nowhere near a title. He traded Wiggins for Love, then overpaid a ton of role players to put his team in such an unwinnable long-term scenario that he is all but guaranteed to leave next season because they have no prayer and will have to embark on a rebuild much like what we are going through (except with 0 cap space and tons of luxury tax issues), all 2 years after a title because he KILLED their felixibility by demanding they re-sign these mediocre role players to huge deals.

Sorry, I'm taking Sarver.

Uhh lebrons only ran them for 3 years. Dude didn't do any management chit his first 7. And if not for injuries and kd forming quite likely the greatest team of all time, they very well could be sitting on a 3peat in 3 years.

Simply not true. Out of fear he was leaving they allowed him to run the team the first time.

As for the rest, the Cavs are not the 2nd best team in the league currently, and the reason they are good at all is because of Kyrie, Lebron, and Love--not because of JR Smith and Tristan Thompson. The contracts Bron forced them to give limit their ability to do anything (like add the superstars who have been moved left and right).

[AtheJ415]

How many Suns fans would trade Booker for Irving? Or Jackson?

I wouldn't trade Booker for anyone but LeoBron, Curry, Westbrook, or Durant.

Anthony Davis is worth more than most of those players.

And Kawhi Leonard

Yup. Age matters. I would argue most teams would take Davis, Kawhi, Giannis, KP in some order over Lebron and Westbrook at the least. Lebron is super old and so you have 3 years at best to win a title before he starts to fall off.

Curry and Durant maybe because they aren't that old and they play a style where they will likely be great for longer than most. Westbrook is very reliant on freakish athleticism, so I could see him falling off quicker than others.

[8on]

I've been thinking that LaMarcus Aldridge has wanted out of San Antonio for close to a year.

This Kyrie drama might last a while. I'm thinking he could still be there by the time camp starts, if not later than that.

[mademan]

MJ, Isiah Thomas, etc.. Tons of NBA champions have been worse than Sarver in exec roles. Lebron has run the Cavs damn near his entire career, and their only saving grace was that the NBA gifted them a bunch of 1st overall picks after he left and then that he signed there after. Otherwise, his "GMing" gets them nowhere near a title. He traded Wiggins for Love, then overpaid a ton of role players to put his team in such an unwinnable long-term scenario that he is all but guaranteed to leave next season because they have no prayer and will have to embark on a rebuild much like what we are going through (except with 0 cap space and tons of luxury tax issues), all 2 years after a title because he KILLED their felixibility by demanding they re-sign these mediocre role players to huge deals.

Sorry, I'm taking Sarver.

Uhh lebrons only ran them for 3 years. Dude didn't do any management chit his first 7. And if not for injuries and kd forming quite likely the greatest team of all time, they very well could be sitting on a 3peat in 3 years.

Simply not true. Out of fear he was leaving they allowed him to run the team the first time.

As for the rest, the Cavs are not the 2nd best team in the league currently, and the reason they are good at all is because of Kyrie, Lebron, and Love--not because of JR Smith and Tristan Thompson. The contracts Bron forced them to give limit their ability to do anything (like add the superstars who have been moved left and right).

Ok. What move did they make for Lebron? Name 1. How did they let him run it? Lebron was ridiculously hands off in his first go around; i dont blame him for not taking the same approach, even if he did phuck up

[Gorilla Warfare]

I wouldn't trade Booker for anyone but LeoBron, Curry, Westbrook, or Durant.

Anthony Davis is worth more than most of those players.

And Kawhi Leonard

Yup. Age matters. I would argue most teams would take Davis, Kawhi, Giannis, KP in some order over Lebron and Westbrook at the least. Lebron is super old and so you have 3 years at best to win a title before he starts to fall off.

Curry and Durant maybe because they aren't that old and they play a style where they will likely be great for longer than most. Westbrook is very reliant on freakish athleticism, so I could see him falling off quicker than others.

I would take the best player on the planet for 3 years and build around him immediately over someone who could play and then bolt in 3 years.

[King4Day]

Saw someone posted this in the FB group.

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I don't think there's a chance Kyrie is with the C's to start the season. The Cavs' brass knows they have one more crack at a title and they can't afford to trade him mid season and hope they can build up chemistry in time for the playoffs.

[AtheJ415]

Uhh lebrons only ran them for 3 years. Dude didn't do any management chit his first 7. And if not for injuries and kd forming quite likely the greatest team of all time, they very well could be sitting on a 3peat in 3 years.

Simply not true. Out of fear he was leaving they allowed him to run the team the first time.

As for the rest, the Cavs are not the 2nd best team in the league currently, and the reason they are good at all is because of Kyrie, Lebron, and Love--not because of JR Smith and Tristan Thompson. The contracts Bron forced them to give limit their ability to do anything (like add the superstars who have been moved left and right).

Ok. What move did they make for Lebron? Name 1. How did they let him run it? Lebron was ridiculously hands off in his first go around; i dont blame him for not taking the same approach, even if he did phuck up

He didn't want them to trade guys he was friends with, which leaked after James left, and prevented them from improving the team for the long-run in an effort to win in the short run. They also ran all signings by him to get his approval.

In fact, when the team was out trying to recruit guys during his 3 year contract (he could have taken 5, but chose 3 to put management on the clock, which everyone knew), he refused to recruit for them or comment on if he would stay when reached out by good young FAs, and they lost players because of that (for instance, Trevor Ariza).

Then, upon signing with Miami, in about 3 hours he did more recruiting of players than he had done in 3 years with Cleveland. Cleveland was unable to add FAs because he refused to help despite putting them on the clock, watched them get super old in an effort to win now to appease him (hello Shaq, etc.) while then after the fact lamenting their move to get older players (again, a move he forced by signing that 3 year deal and not helping in FA), and then left Cleveland unable to trade guys who he was friends with.

Really, in what ways was he not controlling that team?

[AtheJ415]

Anthony Davis is worth more than most of those players.

And Kawhi Leonard

Yup. Age matters. I would argue most teams would take Davis, Kawhi, Giannis, KP in some order over Lebron and Westbrook at the least. Lebron is super old and so you have 3 years at best to win a title before he starts to fall off.

Curry and Durant maybe because they aren't that old and they play a style where they will likely be great for longer than most. Westbrook is very reliant on freakish athleticism, so I could see him falling off quicker than others.

I would take the best player on the planet for 3 years and build around him immediately over someone who could play and then bolt in 3 years.

Congrats. You would get crushed by GSW and then be left with nothing. Essentially, you are the Clippers with Chris Paul.

Also, most of those guys are RFAs, so they wouldn't be bolting in 3 years. Booker, for instance, is likely to be under our control for the next 7 years.

[mademan]

Simply not true. Out of fear he was leaving they allowed him to run the team the first time.

As for the rest, the Cavs are not the 2nd best team in the league currently, and the reason they are good at all is because of Kyrie, Lebron, and Love--not because of JR Smith and Tristan Thompson. The contracts Bron forced them to give limit their ability to do anything (like add the superstars who have been moved left and right).

Ok. What move did they make for Lebron? Name 1. How did they let him run it? Lebron was ridiculously hands off in his first go around; i dont blame him for not taking the same approach, even if he did phuck up

He didn't want them to trade guys he was friends with, which leaked after James left, and prevented them from improving the team for the long-run in an effort to win in the short run. They also ran all signings by him to get his approval.

In fact, when the team was out trying to recruit guys during his 3 year contract (he could have taken 5, but chose 3 to put management on the clock, which everyone knew), he refused to recruit for them or comment on if he would stay when reached out by good young FAs, and they lost players because of that (for instance, Trevor Ariza).

Then, upon signing with Miami, in about 3 hours he did more recruiting of players than he had done in 3 years with Cleveland. Cleveland was unable to add FAs because he refused to help despite putting them on the clock, watched them get super old in an effort to win now to appease him (hello Shaq, etc.) while then after the fact lamenting their move to get older players (again, a move he forced by signing that 3 year deal and not helping in FA), and then left Cleveland unable to trade guys who he was friends with.

Really, in what ways was he not controlling that team?

A) name guys he didnt want them to trade. Links/comments/Tweets...anything. I dont remember this at all.

B) Not recruiting and NOT involving yourself in management trying to sign players is somehow managing the team? Youre talking in circles

The reason Lebron left and formed a team with Wade/Bosh was because he wanted more say, more input and more power. His move back to Cleveland was for the same reason. He didnt involve himself much with management his first 7 years and they left him with Mo will as his 2nd best player. I dont blame him for taking his career into his own hands; it's turned out pretty well for him the last 6 years.

[NTB]

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[AtheJ415]

Ok. What move did they make for Lebron? Name 1. How did they let him run it? Lebron was ridiculously hands off in his first go around; i dont blame him for not taking the same approach, even if he did phuck up

He didn't want them to trade guys he was friends with, which leaked after James left, and prevented them from improving the team for the long-run in an effort to win in the short run. They also ran all signings by him to get his approval.

In fact, when the team was out trying to recruit guys during his 3 year contract (he could have taken 5, but chose 3 to put management on the clock, which everyone knew), he refused to recruit for them or comment on if he would stay when reached out by good young FAs, and they lost players because of that (for instance, Trevor Ariza).

Then, upon signing with Miami, in about 3 hours he did more recruiting of players than he had done in 3 years with Cleveland. Cleveland was unable to add FAs because he refused to help despite putting them on the clock, watched them get super old in an effort to win now to appease him (hello Shaq, etc.) while then after the fact lamenting their move to get older players (again, a move he forced by signing that 3 year deal and not helping in FA), and then left Cleveland unable to trade guys who he was friends with.

Really, in what ways was he not controlling that team?

A) name guys he didnt want them to trade. Links/comments/Tweets...anything. I dont remember this at all.

B) Not recruiting and NOT involving yourself in management trying to sign players is somehow managing the team? Youre talking in circles

The reason Lebron left and formed a team with Wade/Bosh was because he wanted more say, more input and more power. His move back to Cleveland was for the same reason. He didnt involve himself much with management his first 7 years and they left him with Mo will as his 2nd best player. I dont blame him for taking his career into his own hands; it's turned out pretty well for him the last 6 years.

A) Google is your friend

B) As a star player who signs a 3 year contract with a team, when you do stuff like they you are managing the team by choosing to do nothing to an unusual extent.

C) EVERY DECISION THE CAVS MADE FOR 3 YEARS WAS RUN BY LEBRON. All of them.

[suns91fan]

He didn't want them to trade guys he was friends with, which leaked after James left, and prevented them from improving the team for the long-run in an effort to win in the short run. They also ran all signings by him to get his approval.

In fact, when the team was out trying to recruit guys during his 3 year contract (he could have taken 5, but chose 3 to put management on the clock, which everyone knew), he refused to recruit for them or comment on if he would stay when reached out by good young FAs, and they lost players because of that (for instance, Trevor Ariza).

Then, upon signing with Miami, in about 3 hours he did more recruiting of players than he had done in 3 years with Cleveland. Cleveland was unable to add FAs because he refused to help despite putting them on the clock, watched them get super old in an effort to win now to appease him (hello Shaq, etc.) while then after the fact lamenting their move to get older players (again, a move he forced by signing that 3 year deal and not helping in FA), and then left Cleveland unable to trade guys who he was friends with.

Really, in what ways was he not controlling that team?

A) name guys he didnt want them to trade. Links/comments/Tweets...anything. I dont remember this at all.

B) Not recruiting and NOT involving yourself in management trying to sign players is somehow managing the team? Youre talking in circles

The reason Lebron left and formed a team with Wade/Bosh was because he wanted more say, more input and more power. His move back to Cleveland was for the same reason. He didnt involve himself much with management his first 7 years and they left him with Mo will as his 2nd best player. I dont blame him for taking his career into his own hands; it's turned out pretty well for him the last 6 years.

A) Google is your friend

B) As a star player who signs a 3 year contract with a team, when you do stuff like they you are managing the team by choosing to do nothing to an unusual extent.

C) EVERY DECISION THE CAVS MADE FOR 3 YEARS WAS RUN BY LEBRON. All of them.

And three consecutive seasons they reached the NBA Finals, and got one (the first) championship out of it. Isn't that mission accomplished? Since you seem to prefer "championship or bust mentality", isn't this exactly what you would prefer? Yes, after Lebron leaves, it will all fall apart, but isn't that exactly the same thing as being bad for a long time and then contending, just in reverse? At least Cavs fans got their championship upfront, and can sleep tight while "bottom dwelling" for the next few years.

This is not my view at all, but i don't know why you don't exactly agree with it, since you are advocating teams should not try to compete while Warriors are still out there.

[NBA Fiend]

Get your damn hands of my Jackson

https://www.fearthesword.com/2017/7/27/16051628/lebron-gauging-josh-jackson-kyrie-irving-trade

[Kerrsed]

So we have reports that Lebron isnt involving himself whatsoever in the Cleveland offseason moves, and a new one that is stating the Lebron has put his GM hat back on and is taking control of the situation. Which one is it?

[TOO]

So we have reports that Lebron isnt involving himself whatsoever in the Cleveland offseason moves, and a new one that is stating the Lebron has put his GM hat back on and is taking control of the situation. Which one is it?

The obvious answer here is yes.

[8on]

Wondering what you guys think of this one:

Suns out: Bledsoe
Suns in: Rubio

Heat out: Dragic
Heat in: Irving

Jazz out: Favors, Hood, Johnson, Rubio
Jazz in: Dragic, Love

Cavs in: Bledsoe, Favors, Hood, Johnson
Cavs out: Irving, Love

I think Rubio/Booker would work well together. (Go ahead with your scathing reviews).

[TOO]

Wondering what you guys think of this one:

Suns out: Bledsoe
Suns in: Rubio

Heat out: Dragic
Heat in: Irving

Jazz out: Favors, Hood, Johnson, Rubio
Jazz in: Dragic, Love

Cavs in: Bledsoe, Favors, Hood, Johnson
Cavs out: Irving, Love

I think Rubio/Booker would work well together. (Go ahead with your scathing reviews).

Nope. Rubio is butts.

[Moochthemonkey]

Wondering what you guys think of this one:

Suns out: Bledsoe
Suns in: Rubio

Heat out: Dragic
Heat in: Irving

Jazz out: Favors, Hood, Johnson, Rubio
Jazz in: Dragic, Love

Cavs in: Bledsoe, Favors, Hood, Johnson
Cavs out: Irving, Love

I think Rubio/Booker would work well together. (Go ahead with your scathing reviews).

Rubio/Booker may work well together, the offense might be a little more fluid, but it seems more like a "just because" move for the Suns that you would do only if Bledsoe is disgruntled with the situation and there's no other trades out there. Rubio is basically a rich man's Kendall Marshall...and unlike Bledsoe he isn't an offensive threat (career .375 FG% shooter...wtf!) I think the Suns could get better value out of Bledsoe than just a straight PG swap.

Heat: possibly a lateral move, although I wouldn't doubt for a minute that Riley would pull the trigger on that one...Kyrie on Lebron's old team. that would certainly generate a lot of hype.

Jazz: meh, looks like great value if it's 2014 Love, otherwise they are trading in good depth there. Hood is one of the more underrated players in the NBA.

Cavs: definite winners of the trade, though having Favors and Thompson on the same team is a bit redundant in today's NBA. The Jazz might as well keep Favors & Hood and the Cavs keep Love, if the deal is still financially possible.