Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion

[mademan]

He didn't want them to trade guys he was friends with, which leaked after James left, and prevented them from improving the team for the long-run in an effort to win in the short run. They also ran all signings by him to get his approval.

In fact, when the team was out trying to recruit guys during his 3 year contract (he could have taken 5, but chose 3 to put management on the clock, which everyone knew), he refused to recruit for them or comment on if he would stay when reached out by good young FAs, and they lost players because of that (for instance, Trevor Ariza).

Then, upon signing with Miami, in about 3 hours he did more recruiting of players than he had done in 3 years with Cleveland. Cleveland was unable to add FAs because he refused to help despite putting them on the clock, watched them get super old in an effort to win now to appease him (hello Shaq, etc.) while then after the fact lamenting their move to get older players (again, a move he forced by signing that 3 year deal and not helping in FA), and then left Cleveland unable to trade guys who he was friends with.

Really, in what ways was he not controlling that team?

A) name guys he didnt want them to trade. Links/comments/Tweets...anything. I dont remember this at all.

B) Not recruiting and NOT involving yourself in management trying to sign players is somehow managing the team? Youre talking in circles

The reason Lebron left and formed a team with Wade/Bosh was because he wanted more say, more input and more power. His move back to Cleveland was for the same reason. He didnt involve himself much with management his first 7 years and they left him with Mo will as his 2nd best player. I dont blame him for taking his career into his own hands; it's turned out pretty well for him the last 6 years.

A) Google is your friend

B) As a star player who signs a 3 year contract with a team, when you do stuff like they you are managing the team by choosing to do nothing to an unusual extent.

C) EVERY DECISION THE CAVS MADE FOR 3 YEARS WAS RUN BY LEBRON. All of them.

A) I'm calling you out on your claim. I literally cant remember Lebron ever involving himself/

B) Ya. Youre still talking in circles

C) These last 3 years? Mostly, yes.

[8on]

Another idea:

Suns trade Bledsoe, Warren and Chandler to Detroit for Drummond and Ish Smith

[NTB]

Another idea:

Suns trade Bledsoe, Warren and Chandler to Detroit for Drummond and Ish Smith

Oh come on...

[GeraldsGreenery]

Another idea:

Suns trade Bledsoe, Warren and Chandler to Detroit for Drummond and Ish Smith

Boo

[8on]

Another idea:

Suns trade Bledsoe, Warren and Chandler to Detroit for Drummond and Ish Smith

Oh come on...

What? Drummond's one of the five best centers in the league. Bledsoe's older and his knees stink.

[NTB]

Another idea:

Suns trade Bledsoe, Warren and Chandler to Detroit for Drummond and Ish Smith

Oh come on...

What? Drummond's one of the five best centers in the league.

?? Who told you that? He is total garbage except rebounding. No defense, terrible FT shooter (worst in NBA history?), no offense outside of putbacks, no passing, low BBIQ...

[Moochthemonkey]

Another idea:

Suns trade Bledsoe, Warren and Chandler to Detroit for Drummond and Ish Smith

Oh come on...

What? Drummond's one of the five best centers in the league. Bledsoe's older and his knees stink.

maybe if the year was < 2010

otherwise Bledsoe is 8 million less, and his contract runs out 2 seasons earlier

[NBA Fiend]

Well, Lebron usually gets what he wants. I wonder if McD buckles. The deal before the draft was Bledsoe/4 for Kyrie. The pick to Indy and Bledsoe and George to Cavs. Griffin knew Irving wanted out and I guess Gilbert nixed the trade which enraged Griffin and he quit.

https://clutchpoints.com/kyrie-irving-almost-traded-suns-potential-paul-george-cavs-trade/

McD should call up the Cavs and tell them he has reconsidered but he's going to need unprotected first rounders in 2019, 2021, 2023 and 2025

I did a little reading on the Stepien rule. I forgot he traded the pick the Lakers got during their 80s run that turned into Worthy. Off topic but interesting.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Stepien

Even further off topic but a couple things in regards to why the Bulls finally settled on Jordan.

http://ballislife.com/bull-draft-jordan/

[DirtyDez]

Cavs don't care what Lebron thinks anymore. Everyone knows he's gone.

[phrazbit]

Wondering what you guys think of this one:

Suns out: Bledsoe
Suns in: Rubio

Heat out: Dragic
Heat in: Irving

Jazz out: Favors, Hood, Johnson, Rubio
Jazz in: Dragic, Love

Cavs in: Bledsoe, Favors, Hood, Johnson
Cavs out: Irving, Love

I think Rubio/Booker would work well together. (Go ahead with your scathing reviews).

Rubio stinks. If we're giving up Bledsoe we better get more than the worst shooting guard in the NBA.

[8on]

Wondering what you guys think of this one:

Suns out: Bledsoe
Suns in: Rubio

Heat out: Dragic
Heat in: Irving

Jazz out: Favors, Hood, Johnson, Rubio
Jazz in: Dragic, Love

Cavs in: Bledsoe, Favors, Hood, Johnson
Cavs out: Irving, Love

I think Rubio/Booker would work well together. (Go ahead with your scathing reviews).

Rubio stinks. If we're giving up Bledsoe we better get more than the worst shooting guard in the NBA.

Definitely a point guard

[phrazbit]

Wondering what you guys think of this one:

Suns out: Bledsoe
Suns in: Rubio

Heat out: Dragic
Heat in: Irving

Jazz out: Favors, Hood, Johnson, Rubio
Jazz in: Dragic, Love

Cavs in: Bledsoe, Favors, Hood, Johnson
Cavs out: Irving, Love

I think Rubio/Booker would work well together. (Go ahead with your scathing reviews).

Rubio stinks. If we're giving up Bledsoe we better get more than the worst shooting guard in the NBA.

Definitely a point guard

I can see how the sentence structure there is misleading. He is the worst guard at shooting in the NBA.

[Kerrsed]

Saw an idea i liked:

MIA gets: Irving
CLE gets: Bledsoe/Dragic
PHX gets: Shumpert/Winslow/Bam

Cleveland doubles up at the PG spot, while also allowing Dragic to play the starting SG. They also dump Shumpert. I consider this a win now move.

Miami gets Irving to pair with Whiteside.

We grab yet another wing with potential in Winslow, but the big catch is getting Bam. We get saddled with Shumpert for 2 years (which im fine with) all for the low low price of just Bledsoe!

Once again, wasnt my idea, but saw on the trade board and liked.

[BobbieL]

First - wno cares if LeBron wants Josh Jackson. I am sure Ryan McDonough wants Karl Anthony Towns - not going to get him. So the idea that just because LeBron wants Josh, the Suns are going to cave is stupid.

Second, listening to Gambo - he thinks the Suns are the only team in the league that have to give their best offer - Bledsoe/Jackson and that no other negotiating will take place. Now, Gambo was 'definitive' that without including Jackson, the deal is dead. Kind of annoying really. Of course, he didn't bring up other teams that might have better offers. He just said it wasn't happening. And even when Burns tried to be like "you know, there is negotiating, they start high, we start low and work toward common ground" - nope Gambo was totally set that Kyrie is not coming here if Josh wasn't in the deal.

The Suns can offer the Cavs a lot: they can take Shumpert/Frye/Jefferson salaries; they can add the Heat pick, and a 2nd rounder, Torontos's or their own; they can add Bledsoe and they also can include a veteran like Dudley or Chandler. Finally, they can include a young guy, probably Chriss or Warren. Maybe it doesn't have the sizzle of TEague and Wiggins and if that deal is there, I wait for it by the Cavs. But who knows if that deal is there

Denver: are they offering Murray or are they offering Mudiay, Nelson and either Wilson Chandler or Darrell Arther (Faried with Thompson makes zero sense) - they can choose to take on about 5m more in salary but that probably means luxury tax.

Orlando: they can do Fournier, Payton , but do they have an extra first to offer now and they cannot take back salary if spotrac is correct (and by the way, Hennigan stunk, the money he gave out, horrible to be at the cap)

Miami: Dragic, Justice, we know they don't have a first to give - so probably not, getting older at PG, not wise

Knicks - needs to be a three teamer probably

So, without going through any more teams - the Suns do check a lot of boxes. Now, is that enough for the Cavs. It may not be - and thats fine. But to say this deal is Jackson or nothing - unless Denver is offering Murray, every trade is being negotiated.

Finally, the Pablo Torre report - if Melo is not going to Cleveland, the deal will look something like this as the Knicks need to move salary to take back 18m:

New York: Chandler, Kyrie

Cleveland: Bledsoe, Dudley, Chriss Millsap - maybe a pick from the Knicks

Suns: Frank N, Kuzminkas, Richard Jefferson, Hermangomez, Noah Frye -three of those deals are expiring, Suns could not take Frye, but take on Shumpert - but thats more cash . Granted Shumpert actually helps with defense. And this deal is already saving the Suns cap space - so probably would take Shumpert

But for the Suns, they are taking on Noah, trading Bledsoe, Chriss and Dudley - that doesn't seem like a fit to me unless you pull back Chriss but for the Cavs - Bledsoe, Dudley plus picks from Knick and maybe the Heat pick enough

For me, unless Melo is going to the Cavs - the best way to get Kyrie is straight with Cleveland

[Waylay13]

Rubio stinks. If we're giving up Bledsoe we better get more than the worst shooting guard in the NBA.

Definitely a point guard

I can see how the sentence structure there is misleading. He is the worst guard at shooting in the NBA.

Well at least that is better then being the worst passing point guard in the NBA.

[8on]

Saw an idea i liked:

MIA gets: Irving
CLE gets: Bledsoe/Dragic
PHX gets: Shumpert/Winslow/Bam

Cleveland doubles up at the PG spot, while also allowing Dragic to play the starting SG. They also dump Shumpert. I consider this a win now move.

Miami gets Irving to pair with Whiteside.

We grab yet another wing with potential in Winslow, but the big catch is getting Bam. We get saddled with Shumpert for 2 years (which im fine with) all for the low low price of just Bledsoe!

Once again, wasnt my idea, but saw on the trade board and liked.

Miami fans tell me they won't overpay for Irving. It makes sense; if Miami were willing, the deal would probably be done by now.

That aside, Winslow had a bad year. He didn't have a great rookie year, either. I guess he can play defense, but that's about all he's proven.

Overall, not with it

[Phystic]

Bledsoe, Lavine, Hield, Jackson, Markkanen
Fox, Dunn, Oladipo, Sabonis

= Irving, Butler, George, Cousins

I think our roster and assets are pretty similar to the above and if we had chosen to flip them for a big 3-4 we could have gotten them.

You keep saying this but it's just not possible.

Last package I heard we offered for Cousins was Warren, Len and our #4 + potentially more per reports.
Butler I remember hearing rumors of potentially Bledsoe, Chriss, Ulis and/or a pick.
There was never a confirmed rumor offer for George but I remember reading thoughts or "rumors" of something like Dudley, Bender, our #4 pick and 2018 Miami pick. Clearly he went for significantly less than that in the end.

That would leave us with Booker, DJJ, Knight, Chandler, 2021 Heat pick for an Irving trade? And these are the offers that weren't accepted mind you. And also does not take into account salary restrictions in any of these trades. Would also put us at $74m for these 4 players alone and would need us to resign Cousins and George after this season. And doesn't take into account the actual fit of these 4 players.

Considering we were unable to get the first 3 alone, it's pretty clear that no we could not have gotten all 4 of them.

[BobbieL]

Saw an idea i liked:

MIA gets: Irving
CLE gets: Bledsoe/Dragic
PHX gets: Shumpert/Winslow/Bam

Cleveland doubles up at the PG spot, while also allowing Dragic to play the starting SG. They also dump Shumpert. I consider this a win now move.

Miami gets Irving to pair with Whiteside.

We grab yet another wing with potential in Winslow, but the big catch is getting Bam. We get saddled with Shumpert for 2 years (which im fine with) all for the low low price of just Bledsoe!

Once again, wasnt my idea, but saw on the trade board and liked.

Miami fans tell me they won't overpay for Irving. It makes sense; if Miami were willing, the deal would probably be done by now.

That aside, Winslow had a bad year. He didn't have a great rookie year, either. I guess he can play defense, but that's about all he's proven.

Overall, not with it

I just don't think the Cavs would take on those guys because there are no young players involved. Dragic is 31, Bledsoe is 27. I don't hate it for the Suns. Shumpert is Shumpert -

[thamadkant]

The deal SHOULD be dead if Jackson is included.

There is a reason why he is wanted. He has shown ability to pass, dribble, rebound, play defense and slash... add shooting there and he will be a star in both ends.

No deal. Rather keep Bledsoe and march for Ayton 2018 draft.

[Puff]

If the suns get kyrie they will be one star away from a title. Pretty exciting!!

Bledsoe, Warren, something else

Kyrie - all star
Booker- will be all star
Jackson- ?
Chriss ?
Bender ?

We would have 2 all stars 25 and younger, which would mean we would need 1/3 of the other guys to be an all star or top player.

Then sign one big time free agent.

So really if we get kyrie we are 1 all star FA away from being a title contender

Kyrie won't be an all-star in the west.

Pure genius.

Steve Nash probably would not make the all star team in the West in today's NBA.

What decade and how will we acquire a player of Kyrie's skill level? I could care less if he is an All Star. I just want this team to get better. I can understand some of the concerns, but we and the Cavaliers are in charge of what happens to him for the next 2 years. We have proven we cannot attract any legit free agents so why not at least try to get him with reasonable resources. If he sucks as bad as a lot or you think, it helps the tank and really does nothing to hurt our future. That is unless you are in love with Bledsoe and want to max him out in two years.

We still do not have a clue who our bigs are going to be going forward. We hope Bender and Chriss pan out, but who really knows. If we stick with Bledsoe, it is either him or the use of another high draft pick to replace him. Next year is suppose to be a big man's draft. It would be a shame to pass on a legit big to bring in another PG.

What this comes down to is who would your rather have going forward: Bledsoe or Kyrie

That is the decision and it has nothing to do with the All Star game.