VOTE: Would you trade Wiggins + filler for Kyrie?

GopherIt! · Post #121 » by **GopherIt!** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:14 pm

Not trading Wiggs. He is in an ideal situation to break out. with improved 3pt shooting, rebounding & defense, he is gold.

Neeva · Post #122 » by **Neeva** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:38 pm

Wiggins will just disappoint and frustrate us Wolves fans, he will never live up to his hype, he's lazy.

Avihs7 · Post #123 » by **Avihs7** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:40 pm

Neeva wrote:Wiggins will just disappoint and frustrate us Wolves fans, he will never live up to his hype, he's lazy.

Are u even a Timberwolves fan with that type of comment

casteral · Post #124 » by **casteral** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:40 pm

And on top of that he has the perfect mentor in Butler, and a second year under Thibbs, no way I trade Wiggins for Kyrie.

Fwiw, if it was Lowry, might be a different story tbh, but I'd still roll with Wiggins and the current team and see how it plays out.

KGdaBom · Post #125 » by **KGdaBom** » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:54 pm

Going to rehash the PGs that in my opinion and a number of web sites opinion are better than Kyrie.
Curry
Westbrook
Wall
Paul
Lowry
Isaiah Thomas
Lillard
Conley

I have all of those as better.

Next tier
Walker
Irving
Dragic
Bledsoe

Next Tier
Teague
Rubio

What is all the furor over a PG who is arguably not even in the top ten in the league When we have one who is in the top 15 already?

shrink · Post #126 » by **shrink** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:05 am

KGdaBom wrote:Going to rehash the PGs that in my opinion and a number of web sites opinion are better than Kyrie.
Curry
Westbrook
Wall
Paul
Lowry
Isaiah Thomas
Lillard
Conley

I have all of those as better.

Next tier
Walker
Irving
Dragic
Bledsoe

Next Tier
Teague
Rubio

What is all the furor over a PG who is arguably not even in the top ten in the league When we have one who is in the top 15 already?

Agreed. I would put Jrue in the second tier, and George Hill in tier 3 too. Lonzo Ball and Fultz are more valuable, and Fox and DSJ are similarly valued. And this isn't even mentioning that PG spots are diminished because of the ball handling roles of Harden, Greek, and Ben Simmons.

Neeva · Post #127 » by **Neeva** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:22 am

KGdaBom wrote:Going to rehash the PGs that in my opinion and a number of web sites opinion are better than Kyrie.
Curry
Westbrook
Wall
Paul
Lowry
Isaiah Thomas
Lillard
Conley

I have all of those as better.

Next tier
Walker
Irving
Dragic
Bledsoe

Next Tier
Teague
Rubio

What is all the furor over a PG who is arguably not even in the top ten in the league When we have one who is in the top 15 already?

You're very alone in your opinions, especially when you factor perfomance in playoffs Kyrie blows away Lowry LOL

Avihs7 · Post #128 » by **Avihs7** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:24 am

Neeva wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:Going to rehash the PGs that in my opinion and a number of web sites opinion are better than Kyrie.
Curry
Westbrook
Wall
Paul
Lowry
Isaiah Thomas
Lillard
Conley

I have all of those as better.

Next tier
Walker
Irving
Dragic
Bledsoe

Next Tier
Teague
Rubio

What is all the furor over a PG who is arguably not even in the top ten in the league When we have one who is in the top 15 already?

You're very alone in your opinions, especially when you factor perfomance in playoffs Kyrie blows away Lowry LOL

No he is not, your the one that's very alone Neeva

Neeva · Post #129 » by **Neeva** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:28 am

You all can keep wishing Wiggins somehow stops being lazy on defense and actually cares about hustling, but I will believe it when I see it. He turns 23 later this season, you know the same age when Kyrie was averaging 24 pts and 6 asssists a game in the finals against the warriors...

Post #130 » by **Worm Guts** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:44 am

Neeva wrote:You all can keep wishing Wiggins somehow stops being lazy on defense and actually cares about hustling, but I will believe it when I see it. He turns 23 later this season, you know the same age when Kyrie was averaging 24 pts and 6 asssists a game in the finals against the warriors...

Actually when kyrie played the warriors in the finals at 23, he got hurt after one game. And anyway it's not like Wiggins hasn't scored 24+ against the Warriors multiple times, he just hasn't had Lebron to carry him to the playoffs.

Ethomasp31 · Post #131 » by **Ethomasp31** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:45 am

Neeva wrote:You all can keep wishing Wiggins somehow stops being lazy on defense and actually cares about hustling, but I will believe it when I see it. He turns 23 later this season, you know the same age when Kyrie was averaging 24 pts and 6 asssists a game in the finals against the warriors...

To be fair....they would have been in he lottery if James hadn't come back to Cleveland

KGdaBom · Post #132 » by **KGdaBom** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:00 am

Neeva wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:Going to rehash the PGs that in my opinion and a number of web sites opinion are better than Kyrie.
Curry
Westbrook
Wall
Paul
Lowry
Isaiah Thomas
Lillard
Conley

I have all of those as better.

Next tier
Walker
Irving
Dragic
Bledsoe

Next Tier
Teague
Rubio

What is all the furor over a PG who is arguably not even in the top ten in the league When we have one who is in the top 15 already?

You're very alone in your opinions, especially when you factor perfomance in playoffs Kyrie blows away Lowry LOL

I looked at many top PGs in the NBA lists and the majority of them have Lowry over Irving.

KGdaBom · Post #133 » by **KGdaBom** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:04 am

shrink wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:Going to rehash the PGs that in my opinion and a number of web sites opinion are better than Kyrie.
Curry
Westbrook
Wall
Paul
Lowry
Isaiah Thomas
Lillard
Conley

I have all of those as better.

Next tier
Walker
Irving
Dragic
Bledsoe

Next Tier
Teague
Rubio

What is all the furor over a PG who is arguably not even in the top ten in the league When we have one who is in the top 15 already?

Agreed. I would put Jrue in the second tier, and George Hill in tier 3 too. Lonzo Ball and Fultz are more valuable, and Fox and DSJ are similarly valued. And this isn't even mentioning that PG spots are diminished because of the ball handling roles of Harden, Greek, and Ben Simmons.

I missed Jrue but I think he belongs in the tier with Teague/Rubio/Hill/Jrue. I have no problem though if you want to rate him higher.

Ethomasp31 · Post #134 » by **Ethomasp31** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:08 am

KGdaBom wrote:
Neeva wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:Going to rehash the PGs that in my opinion and a number of web sites opinion are better than Kyrie.
Curry
Westbrook
Wall
Paul
Lowry
Isaiah Thomas
Lillard
Conley

I have all of those as better.

Next tier
Walker
Irving
Dragic
Bledsoe

Next Tier
Teague
Rubio

What is all the furor over a PG who is arguably not even in the top ten in the league When we have one who is in the top 15 already?

You're very alone in your opinions, especially when you factor perfomance in playoffs Kyrie blows away Lowry LOL

I looked at many top PGs in the NBA lists and the majority of them have Lowry over Irving.

Irving is way younger.....and also on a much better contract. I would rather have Irving that Lowry and it isn't close.

KGdaBom · Post #135 » by **KGdaBom** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:09 am

Ethomasp31 wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
Neeva wrote:
You're very alone in your opinions, especially when you factor perfomance in playoffs Kyrie blows away Lowry LOL

I looked at many top PGs in the NBA lists and the majority of them have Lowry over Irving.

Irving is way younger.....and also on a much better contract. I would rather have Irving that Lowry and it isn't close.

I'm talking about which players are best now. Not contracts or age. Lowry last year played circles around Irving.

bake51 · Post #136 » by **bake51** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:00 am

KGdaBom wrote:Going to rehash the PGs that in my opinion and a number of web sites opinion are better than Kyrie.
Curry
Westbrook
Wall
Paul
Lowry
Isaiah Thomas
Lillard
Conley

I have all of those as better.

Next tier
Walker
Irving
Dragic
Bledsoe

Next Tier
Teague
Rubio

What is all the furor over a PG who is arguably not even in the top ten in the league When we have one who is in the top 15 already?

While I am on the fence about giving up Wiggins in a Kyrie trade, and he does have his limitations, he is better than this. I would rank Kyrie over Kemba, Conley, Lillard, Paul (Not a Paul fan especially at this stage in his career), and probably Thomas. He is definitely tier one if Conley and Lillard are considered tier one.

KGdaBom · Post #137 » by **KGdaBom** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:04 am

bake51 wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:Going to rehash the PGs that in my opinion and a number of web sites opinion are better than Kyrie.
Curry
Westbrook
Wall
Paul
Lowry
Isaiah Thomas
Lillard
Conley

I have all of those as better.

Next tier
Walker
Irving
Dragic
Bledsoe

Next Tier
Teague
Rubio

What is all the furor over a PG who is arguably not even in the top ten in the league When we have one who is in the top 15 already?

While I am on the fence about giving up Wiggins in a Kyrie trade, and he does have his limitations, he is better than this. I would rank Kyrie over Kemba, Conley, Lillard, Paul (Not a Paul fan especially at this stage in his career), and probably Thomas. He is definitely tier one if Conley and Lillard are considered tier one.

The first nine players were ones I felt confident in saying were better than Kyrie. Probably two or three tiers there. As far as Paul goes he has a lot of mileage on those bone on bone knees, but he was still sensational last year. I'm not expecting him to fall off a cliff this year.

bake51 · Post #138 » by **bake51** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:09 am

KGdaBom wrote:
bake51 wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:Going to rehash the PGs that in my opinion and a number of web sites opinion are better than Kyrie.
Curry
Westbrook
Wall
Paul
Lowry
Isaiah Thomas
Lillard
Conley

I have all of those as better.

Next tier
Walker
Irving
Dragic
Bledsoe

Next Tier
Teague
Rubio

What is all the furor over a PG who is arguably not even in the top ten in the league When we have one who is in the top 15 already?

While I am on the fence about giving up Wiggins in a Kyrie trade, and he does have his limitations, he is better than this. I would rank Kyrie over Kemba, Conley, Lillard, Paul (Not a Paul fan especially at this stage in his career), and probably Thomas. He is definitely tier one if Conley and Lillard are considered tier one.

The first nine players were ones I felt confident in saying were better than Kyrie. Probably two or three tiers there. As far as Paul goes he has a lot of mileage on those bone on bone knees, but he was still sensational last year. I'm not expecting him to fall off a cliff this year.

I agree Paul has good stats but he just never seems to go deep in the playoffs and that has always stuck with me. After awhile I just start putting a lot of blame on him.

SBM · Post #139 » by **SBM** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:04 am

Why is Rubio in a tier with guys that have made the playoffs and he never has. You guys overrate Rubio for some reason.

moss_is_1 · Post #140 » by **moss_is_1** » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:16 am

I'd put Kyrie in that 4-7 tier. Westbrook, Curry, Cp3 are comfortably better right now. After that he's bunched with Wall, Lillard, Lowry for me.

He's better than Thomas or Conley, IMO. Basically a bigger and better version of IT, and while Conley is a much better defender, he's a worse scorer by far and not much of a different playmaker.