Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion

[DirtyDez]

The deal SHOULD be dead if Jackson is included.

Agreed. Also, don't underestimate Gilbert's stubbornness. He knows a dysunfuctional Cavs team with Kyrie still makes the finals and if a Warrior gets injured than who knows.

[BobbieL]

Good read on ESPN.com about how next year with the cap, some free agents might be squeezed because so many teams have overspent or will be up against the cap. So, for the Suns, taking on a Shumpert AND Frye but moving a Dudley or Chandler makes as it keeps the cap open in summer of 2018 as Frye is expiring so no harm done next summer.

Signing Alan Williams to a one year deal was wise because again - why lock up that 6m of cap space next summer.

Signing Alex Len to a one year deal - hopefully he takes the QB - leaves them with the leverage for 2018 in the summer.

Suns may not have a lot of extra space next summer - $10-12m - but that's more than a lot of teams

[ATTL]

Shannon Sharpe suggested bledsoe and booker for kyrie.
Chris broussard suggested the same.
These are the people that are paid to talk sports. I take random real gm posters opinions over fake news media

[LukasBMW]

I have a feeling that we are serious with running a small lineup with Bender and/or Chriss getting most of the minutes at center.

I think TJ and JJ will indeed playing beside eachother. It will be 2004-2005 all over again: A PG, an iso SG, two small forwards, and a power forward.

[Waylay13]

What this comes down to is who would your rather have going forward: Bledsoe or Kyrie

If it were a question of Bledsoe or Kyrie, I would likely go with Kyrie. However it isnt it is a question of Bledsoe plus and at that point I would likely stay with Bledsoe. heck I would rather take Fultz over Kyrie.

[bigfoot]

I have a feeling that we are serious with running a small lineup with Bender and/or Chriss getting most of the minutes at center.

I think TJ and JJ will indeed playing beside eachother. It will be 2004-2005 all over again: A PG, an iso SG, two small forwards, and a power forward.

I actually don't mind that either

Ulis
Booker
Jackson
Warren
Bender or Chriss

Start that lineup for the next two years and let them learn to play together.

Irving to the Knicks
Melo and Bledsoe to the Cavs
For the Suns, enough salary from Cavs on expiring deals to legitimize the deal in trade checker plus two young assets or picks

Fixed ... put Warren in there

[Mulhollanddrive]

Gambo update:
- Josh Jackson is not being traded, 2018 Pick highly unlikely to be traded.
- Reiterates sources tell him 0% chance Irving gets traded to Phoenix, not even 1%, specifically 0%.

I don't mind the small ball lineup because we need to figure out if it works before we're a contender. The Miami and GSW teams weren't good rebounders so can we get the same benefits to outweight the costs.

[DirtyDez]

Gambo update:
- Josh Jackson is not being traded, 2018 Pick highly unlikely to be traded.
- Reiterates sources tell him 0% chance Irving gets traded to Phoenix, not even 1%, specifically 0%.

I don't mind the small ball lineup because we need to figure out if it works before we're a contender. The Miami and GSW teams weren't good rebounders so can we get the same benefits to outweight the costs.

He's right. At this time there's a 0% chance he gets traded here w/o JJ being included but Cleveland's GM said himself it's a "fluid situation". As time goes on things can change.

TBH, I don't think Gilbert trades him unless a Wiggins-caliber package is coming back.

[BobbieL]

Gambo update:
- Josh Jackson is not being traded, 2018 Pick highly unlikely to be traded.
- Reiterates sources tell him 0% chance Irving gets traded to Phoenix, not even 1%, specifically 0%.

I don't mind the small ball lineup because we need to figure out if it works before we're a contender. The Miami and GSW teams weren't good rebounders so can we get the same benefits to outweight the costs.

He's right. At this time there's a 0% chance he gets traded here w/o JJ being included but Cleveland's GM said himself it's a "fluid situation". As time goes on things can change.

TBH, I don't think Gilbert trades him unless a Wiggins-caliber package is coming back.

I heard Gambo. I think he was a little dramatic. I think there is a chance the Suns get Irving without giving up Jackson. Seems like there is area to negotiate. Suns can make a good offer that other teams can't.

The deal might not go through but I think there is a chance unlike what Gambo said

[BobbieL]

I have a feeling that we are serious with running a small lineup with Bender and/or Chriss getting most of the minutes at center.

I think TJ and JJ will indeed playing beside eachother. It will be 2004-2005 all over again: A PG, an iso SG, two small forwards, and a power forward.

I actually don't mind that either

Ulis
Booker
Jackson
Warren
Bender or Chriss

Start that lineup for the next two years and let them learn to play together.

Irving to the Knicks
Melo and Bledsoe to the Cavs
For the Suns, enough salary from Cavs on expiring deals to legitimize the deal in trade checker plus two young assets or picks

Fixed ... put Warren in there

the closes I can get is the following
Cleveland: Melo, Bled, Chriss, Heat Pick
Knicks: Kyrie and Chandler
Suns: Frank N, Frye Jefferson, O Quinn and Shumpert

Suns trading Bledsoe Chriss, Chandler, heat pick for Frank N, Shumpert , OQuinn and expirings

[Moochthemonkey]

Gambo update:
- Josh Jackson is not being traded, 2018 Pick highly unlikely to be traded.
- Reiterates sources tell him 0% chance Irving gets traded to Phoenix, not even 1%, specifically 0%.

I don't mind the small ball lineup because we need to figure out if it works before we're a contender. The Miami and GSW teams weren't good rebounders so can we get the same benefits to outweight the costs.

He's right. At this time there's a 0% chance he gets traded here w/o JJ being included but Cleveland's GM said himself it's a "fluid situation". As time goes on things can change.

TBH, I don't think Gilbert trades him unless a Wiggins-caliber package is coming back.

I heard Gambo. I think he was a little dramatic. I think there is a chance the Suns get Irving without giving up Jackson. Seems like there is area to negotiate. Suns can make a good offer that other teams can't.

The deal might not go through but I think there is a chance unlike what Gambo said

I think the Suns offerings are trumped IF minnesota is willing to give up Wiggins, and the Heat is willing to send out Winslow, then Cleveland has the coveted blue chip players they are looking for.

I doubt Minnesota would trade Wiggins, but Dragic/Winslow for Kyrie seems like a typical Pat Riley move. Also brings back backcourt '12 (Irving and Waiters).

[ATTL]

I have a feeling that we are serious with running a small lineup with Bender and/or Chriss getting most of the minutes at center.

I think TJ and JJ will indeed playing beside eachother. It will be 2004-2005 all over again: A PG, an iso SG, two small forwards, and a power forward.

I actually don't mind that either

Ulis
Booker
Jackson
Warren
Bender or Chriss

Start that lineup for the next two years and let them learn to play together.

Irving to the Knicks
Melo and Bledsoe to the Cavs
For the Suns, enough salary from Cavs on expiring deals to legitimize the deal in trade checker plus two young assets or picks

Fixed ... put Warren in there

the closes I can get is the following
Cleveland: Melo, Bled, Chriss, Heat Pick
Knicks: Kyrie and Chandler
Suns: Frank N, Frye Jefferson, O Quinn and Shumpert

Suns trading Bledsoe Chriss, Chandler, heat pick for Frank N, Shumpert , OQuinn and expirings

I dont think thats enough back for the suns, bledsoe alone should net that return.

[TeamTragic]

I have a feeling that we are serious with running a small lineup with Bender and/or Chriss getting most of the minutes at center.

I think TJ and JJ will indeed playing beside eachother. It will be 2004-2005 all over again: A PG, an iso SG, two small forwards, and a power forward.

I actually don't mind that either

Ulis
Booker
Jackson
Warren
Bender or Chriss

Start that lineup for the next two years and let them learn to play together.

Irving to the Knicks
Melo and Bledsoe to the Cavs
For the Suns, enough salary from Cavs on expiring deals to legitimize the deal in trade checker plus two young assets or picks

Fixed ... put Warren in there

the closest I can get is the following
Cleveland: Melo, Bled, Chriss, Heat Pick
Knicks: Kyrie and Chandler
Suns: Frank N, Frye Jefferson, O Quinn and Shumpert

Suns trading Bledsoe Chriss, Chandler, heat pick for Frank N, Shumpert , OQuinn and expirings

Closest to what exactly? Making a stupid trade?

[bwgood77]

Saw someone posted this in the FB group.

Watch on YouTube

I don't think there's a chance Kyrie is with the C's to start the season. The Cavs' brass knows they have one more crack at a title and they can't afford to trade him mid season and hope they can build up chemistry in time for the playoffs.

Wow, was that some terrible narration and not an impressive video. I was expecting some great some great reasoning as to why it would be great. But it was like "I guarantee you him and Booker would be great together." For a four minute video of a PG and his highlights, I don't think I saw a pass either.

[thamadkant]

Shannon Sharpe suggested bledsoe and booker for kyrie.
Chris broussard suggested the same.
These are the people that are paid to talk sports. I take random real gm posters opinions over fake news media

I would do Bledsoe and Booker for Anthony Davis or Kawhi Leonard.

I think those 2 are great enough both sides to build a system NOW and surround them with players in the next 2 seasons.

Kyrie is NO WAY near those 2 in regards to impact. And you dont know what players Kyrie needs.


With Davis, you develop Jackson, trade Chriss or Bender for a decent guard and you get another pick next season to dangle for a star player. Same with Kawhi, imagine Jackson learning from Kawhi...


But Booker is the Suns marketing darling, he makes the franchise money so he is worth more overall than what he brings on court.

[bwgood77]

Good read on ESPN.com about how next year with the cap, some free agents might be squeezed because so many teams have overspent or will be up against the cap. So, for the Suns, taking on a Shumpert AND Frye but moving a Dudley or Chandler makes as it keeps the cap open in summer of 2018 as Frye is expiring so no harm done next summer.

Signing Alan Williams to a one year deal was wise because again - why lock up that 6m of cap space next summer.

Signing Alex Len to a one year deal - hopefully he takes the QB - leaves them with the leverage for 2018 in the summer.

Suns may not have a lot of extra space next summer - $10-12m - but that's more than a lot of teams

Yes, that article basically says free agents are hurting this summer because the cap stalled and so many teams overspent last summer, but next summer will be worse and that free agents will likely be hard pressed to get offers and that in the future only stars will get paid. Got me to thinking about how reasonable Warren would likely be next summer. We could probably keep him at a very good price.

The following summer of course would be a big one if we have Kyrie and he doesn't bolt for one of his preferred destinations, because if he will probably command a max and over $30 million a year to start...probably at least a 4 yr/$130 milion or 5/$170 contract (or do people still do 5 year ones?). Then we would also have to sign Booker, and some other team might throw him a max we'd have to match, but who knows? Or we may try and extend him before that to a big deal. So we might get capped out at that point.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20143724/nba-nuclear-winter-forecasted-free-agents-summer-2018

[bwgood77]

Gambo update:
- Josh Jackson is not being traded, 2018 Pick highly unlikely to be traded.
- Reiterates sources tell him 0% chance Irving gets traded to Phoenix, not even 1%, specifically 0%.

I don't mind the small ball lineup because we need to figure out if it works before we're a contender. The Miami and GSW teams weren't good rebounders so can we get the same benefits to outweight the costs.

He's right. At this time there's a 0% chance he gets traded here w/o JJ being included but Cleveland's GM said himself it's a "fluid situation". As time goes on things can change.

TBH, I don't think Gilbert trades him unless a Wiggins-caliber package is coming back.

It is weird...it's hard to find a team that he fits well on. I think Utah and Denver make some sense, but Utah doesn't have anything to trade for him, except probably picks, and Denver would have to part with young assets too and what if he walked in two years?

I think Minnesota makes some sense if they trade wiggins, and Teague, since they would be out Lavine AND Wiggins who were their scorers, and then they'd have a great defensive SG next to him and could maybe plug in some sort of 3 and D guy at SF. The Knicks make sense, since they have a star in KP, and not much else, but Melo has that no trade clause and Houston doesn't have much to trade any more. Kyrie's most effective team to be on...is Cleveland, where someone else gets the other guys going and he can take over when needed..so he's kind of stupid to want to leave..he could have asked earlier and had more options or next summer and have more options.

[bwgood77]

I have a feeling that we are serious with running a small lineup with Bender and/or Chriss getting most of the minutes at center.

I think TJ and JJ will indeed playing beside eachother. It will be 2004-2005 all over again: A PG, an iso SG, two small forwards, and a power forward.

I actually don't mind that either

Ulis
Booker
Jackson
Warren
Bender or Chriss

Start that lineup for the next two years and let them learn to play together.

Irving to the Knicks
Melo and Bledsoe to the Cavs
For the Suns, enough salary from Cavs on expiring deals to legitimize the deal in trade checker plus two young assets or picks

Fixed ... put Warren in there

the closes I can get is the following
Cleveland: Melo, Bled, Chriss, Heat Pick
Knicks: Kyrie and Chandler
Suns: Frank N, Frye Jefferson, O Quinn and Shumpert

Suns trading Bledsoe Chriss, Chandler, heat pick for Frank N, Shumpert , OQuinn and expirings

I don't totally mind Bledsoe for Frank N, but WHY Bled AND Chriss AND taking on a bad contract for Frank? You like him THAT much?

[Mulhollanddrive]

Minnesota could have a championship team.

Wiggins and Dieng for Irving
Teague and 2 Futures for George (deadline deal)

Irving, Butler, George, Towns

[gaspar]

Good read on ESPN.com about how next year with the cap, some free agents might be squeezed because so many teams have overspent or will be up against the cap. So, for the Suns, taking on a Shumpert AND Frye but moving a Dudley or Chandler makes as it keeps the cap open in summer of 2018 as Frye is expiring so no harm done next summer.

Signing Alan Williams to a one year deal was wise because again - why lock up that 6m of cap space next summer.

Signing Alex Len to a one year deal - hopefully he takes the QB - leaves them with the leverage for 2018 in the summer.

Suns may not have a lot of extra space next summer - $10-12m - but that's more than a lot of teams

Yes, that article basically says free agents are hurting this summer because the cap stalled and so many teams overspent last summer, but next summer will be worse and that free agents will likely be hard pressed to get offers and that in the future only stars will get paid. Got me to thinking about how reasonable Warren would likely be next summer. We could probably keep him at a very good price.

The following summer of course would be a big one if we have Kyrie and he doesn't bolt for one of his preferred destinations, because if he will probably command a max and over $30 million a year to start...probably at least a 4 yr/$130 milion or 5/$170 contract (or do people still do 5 year ones?). Then we would also have to sign Booker, and some other team might throw him a max we'd have to match, but who knows? Or we may try and extend him before that to a big deal. So we might get capped out at that point.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20143724/nba-nuclear-winter-forecasted-free-agents-summer-2018

From the video on ESPN: