Miami HEAT Offseason/Trades/FA Thread: Sardine Central 4.0 Team Byke Ollinky Added

[dean456]

just woke up, what's the latest guys?

We've offered Dragic and Winslow package according to Woj. But it's not enough.

Then Tim Reynolds said we made no offer.

[MettaWorldPanda]

just woke up, what's the latest guys?

More Kyrie slurp and how the Cavs are going to circle back to our poor offer and like it.

[Shewasfly]

People really saying Kyrie is a slightly better Mo Williams? LeBron really is a guard reputation killer. Horrible teammate.

On topic, Kyrie is miles better than Dragic. Dragic has been vastly overrated for awhile on here. It hasn't been worth calling out since for a bad to mediocre team that we were last year, who cares. But if you're talking about trades, you're definitely get rid of Dragic for Kyrie. Its one of the easiest decisions ever actually. Who you don't get rid of is Whiteside.

There is a highlight tape from the finals game 5 above supposed to showcase Kyrie's skills. I suggest everybody go watch Kyrie at his best, and learn about the player you are all over valuing.

You will notice that almost all Kyrie's buckets come in completely isolated sets where his teammates cram to the other side of the court to give him room. He isn't creating anything for anybody, he isn't elevating anybody, he's a great ISO scorer that nerfs the rest of your offense.

This worked 10-20 years ago in the NBA, it does not work now. Just look at our big 3, we took 3 of the best ISO players in the world and put them together. They struggled until they learned to play together, and even then they were rarely the juggernaut they were supposed to be. The NBA is a more team oriented game now, you need complete players on the floor, Kyrie isn't one.

Why nobody is alarmed by Kyrie's health situation really goes over my head. He has a kneecap held together with pins. He's 25 already jogging around with a partial limp. This is not your franchise player

The isolation style of play for Cleveland was more for the benefit of LeBron than anyone else. Its been proven time and time again if he doesn't have the ball in his hands he is useless at worst and with extremely reduced effectiveness at best. So teams with LeBron always have some form of dependence on isolation play. Even ours was like that, and though it got better, it was still drive and kick based to suit LeBron. We had to move Wade to the post to keep him involved, and Bosh to the 3 point line.

I don't think someone who shoots as well as Kyrie would have a problem fitting into a motion offense if thats what was required of him. I don't think you can punish Kyrie for excelling at one on one play or say that's all he can do, because the system was more needed by the person he plays with, not him particularly.

I do think that Kyrie isn't good at playmaking for others though. That and his durability are his biggest flaw. But if he can break down the defense and make the simple pass, which I think he can with practice, that's enough to make him better than Dragic in that area too already.

[HIF]

just woke up, what's the latest guys?

More Kyrie slurp and how the Cavs are going to circle back to our poor offer and like it.

And others saying how our current team are worldbeaters and they don't want a bona-fide star who may actually attract a whale.

[IggieCC]

just woke up, what's the latest guys?

[twix2500]

just woke up, what's the latest guys?

Nothing new, Woj repeated what I said a few days ago except that Woj said Heat are willing to offer Dragic and Winslow. Then Reynolds is told that the Heat didnt make an offer. The Cavs do not want to trade with the Heat at all and the Heat did reach out to cavs, thats what I heard. IMO Cavs dont want to send Irving the East at all, unless its a big offer they cant refuse. They want to over charge for Irving to play in the east. New York and Miami are gonna have to throw the kitchen sick for Irving in order for the Cavs to listen. Unless it gets so bad they a momentary throw their hands up move like Indy did with PG.

[MettaWorldPanda]

dragic is an interesting piece and has value for sure, would have a better offer if we just did dragic and jrich, or dragic and tj.

a lot of teams like phx and minny have nice young players more attractive than winslow. time to focus on our squad and get ready for training camp, read our boys are already working

Dragon and tj would make the cavs better. Of we throw in bam and as pick they take it. Wouldn't be too much of a loss for us either.

Check this out with TJ. He's going to be making close to 19 million next year and Dragic another 18. Dragic's salary gets washed out with Irving that's fine. But now you expect a team that's in salary cap luxury tax hell to take on a balloon salary on top of that Dan Gilbert is going to have to file for bankruptcy. With that being said, no TJ to the Cavs is not happening. Rest assured somebody is going to beat anything we can offer. Now if we were stock piled with picks I can possibly see the Cavs listening.

[MettaWorldPanda]

That Winslow-Dragic offer that was leaked is probably a Cavs management troll job tbh. I still can't believe some people actually think the Cavs management is actually going to make a deal with the Miami Heat. So funny how the Miami deal was the only one leaked and also followed up how that's not going to be enough. I believe Reynolds when it comes to the Miami Heat over washed up Woj any day of the week. Windy probably threw him that bone as it not to look so obvious it came from Cavs management.

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[Jaxon]

Steph isn't good at playmaking for others either and he was still the best player on a championship team. Kyrie would thrive on this squad. As long as you put him in a situation where you have others who can handle the responsibilities of facilitating the ball along with him (which we have in Waiters and Johnson), surround him with spacers, and a high speed full court offense he will be very effective averaging 28-30ppg and 6 assists.

However, realistically, we'd have to wait at least two years to be legitimate contenders. That's when Jimmy Butler comes on the market. That's our best case scenario for getting back into legit contention. Lebron will likely be out of the East and the only competition will be a Celtics squad with a 32 year old IT, a still wet behind the ears Jayson Tatum, and Gordon Hayward. Kyrie could help lure Butler and they can both re-up here in '19. Maybe Kyrie could also help land us Boogie next season. Yes, I know, cap. But if we did a sign and trade with the pelicans where we send Whiteside and some other players for Boogie it could potentially work. Kyrie or Butler would have to take a paycut the next year though.

[Dr_Heat]

just woke up, what's the latest guys?

Waking up this late , this guy I tell you

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So who's phucking lying then ?

Fake news everywhere I tell you

[islandHEAT]

CLE leaked our offer to the media in an attempt to create tension between our players and FO. Heat now denying and if there was any chance at a deal it is most likely dead.

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[Shewasfly]

All this talk about Kyrie but yeah I don't think we have a package good enough and I don't think the Cavs would deal with us anyway.
The Spurs have the most to gain by getting Kyrie, but who can they give up to get him while still remaining competitive? I doubt Cleveland wants LMA

[MettaWorldPanda]

CLE leaked our offer to the media in an attempt to create tension between our players and FO. Heat now denying and if there was any chance at a deal it is most likely dead.

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Nailed it! Heat FO In full fire extinguisher mode right now. Can't believe some of you actually fell for the troll job as if Cavs management was going to trade Kyrie to us without it being some absurdly stupid overpay. I was pissed the moment i heard about that stupid leaked list having Miami on it. Maybe Kyrie does like Miami but he's still under contract with the Cavs and they would probably let him play out his two years in turmoil before ever dealing him to Miami.

[twix2500]

dragic is an interesting piece and has value for sure, would have a better offer if we just did dragic and jrich, or dragic and tj.

a lot of teams like phx and minny have nice young players more attractive than winslow. time to focus on our squad and get ready for training camp, read our boys are already working

Dragon and tj would make the cavs better. Of we throw in bam and as pick they take it. Wouldn't be too much of a loss for us either.

Check this out with TJ. He's going to be making close to 19 million next year and Dragic another 18. Dragic's salary gets washed out with Irving that's fine. But now you expect a team that's in salary cap luxury tax hell to take on a balloon salary on top of that Dan Gilbert is going to have to file for bankruptcy. With that being said, no TJ to the Cavs is not happening. Rest assured somebody is going to beat anything we can offer. Now if we were stock piled with picks I can possibly see the Cavs listening.

You very undervalue TJ. There are plenty of teams that will take TJ. Out of all the rumors, if MIami willing to give Dragic and Winslow, that is as of right now the BEST offer that the Cavs have. Pheonix has said no to Booker and JJ twice already for Irving. If the Cavs acquire Dragic and TJ, they can easily get value back for Dragic or TJ in a second deal. At the max I would do Dragic, TJ and Ellington for Irving. I think the Knicks would quickly give the Cavs Melo in a deal for TJ. Giving them basically Dragic, Ellington and Melo for Irving.

[Dr_Heat]

[twix2500]

CLE leaked our offer to the media in an attempt to create tension between our players and FO. Heat now denying and if there was any chance at a deal it is most likely dead.

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Nailed it! Heat FO In full fire extinguisher mode right now. Can't believe some of you actually fell for the troll job as if Cavs management was going to trade Kyrie to us without it being some absurdly stupid overpay. I was pissed the moment i heard about that stupid leaked list having Miami on it. Maybe Kyrie does like Miami but he's still under contract with the Cavs and they would probably let him play out his two years in turmoil before ever dealing him to Miami.

Like I said the Cavs do not want to deal with the Heat. No one in here said the Cavs were willing to send Irving to the Heat. You not arguing with anyone.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Dragon and tj would make the cavs better. Of we throw in bam and as pick they take it. Wouldn't be too much of a loss for us either.

Check this out with TJ. He's going to be making close to 19 million next year and Dragic another 18. Dragic's salary gets washed out with Irving that's fine. But now you expect a team that's in salary cap luxury tax hell to take on a balloon salary on top of that Dan Gilbert is going to have to file for bankruptcy. With that being said, no TJ to the Cavs is not happening. Rest assured somebody is going to beat anything we can offer. Now if we were stock piled with picks I can possibly see the Cavs listening.

You very undervalue TJ. There are plenty of teams that will take TJ. Out of all the rumors, if MIami willing to give Dragic and Winslow, that is as of right now the BEST offer that the Cavs have. Pheonix has said no to Booker and JJ twice already for Irving. If the Cavs acquire Dragic and TJ, they can easily get value back for Dragic or TJ in a second deal. At the max I would do Dragic, TJ and Ellington for Irving. I think the Knicks would quickly give the Cavs Melo in a deal for TJ. Giving them basically Dragic, Ellington and Melo for Irving.

ME UNDERVALUE TJ!!!! He's my favorite phucking player on the team. But his contract is a detriment to many teams who do not have salary cap space and even if they did they probably do not view him as a 19 million dollar player worth giving up heavy assets for. Can we get rid of him in a Crabbe style deal sure. Does he make sense for the Cavs at this time? PHUCK NO!

[MettaWorldPanda]

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