Transaction Discussion Part 3 (Trades, Free-Agency, News, Rumors & Ideas)

[TucsonClip]

Hawks fan here:
Bleacher report had this article and trade idea:

Atlanta Hawks Receive: SF Wesley Johnson, PG/SG Lou Williams, PF Kyle Wiltjer
Los Angeles Clippers Receive: SG/SF Kent Bazemore

They need another wing even after adding Danilo Gallinari. J.J. Redick left for the Philadelphia 76ers, they shipped out Jamal Crawford, and the Clippers hard-capped themselves in the Gallinari sign-and-trade, making it more difficult to keep Luc Mbah a Moute.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2721018-impact-moves-teams-should-still-pursue-during-nba-offseason

Thoughts??

We need Lou's firepower as presently constructed. I like Bazemore, but hes overpaid and not exactly the best fit with out squad. I like his defense and passing, but we need shooting as well. Dont see this as anything other than reshuffling the deck.

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[Ranma]

Hawks fan here:
Bleacher report had this article and trade idea:

Atlanta Hawks Receive: SF Wesley Johnson, PG/SG Lou Williams, PF Kyle Wiltjer
Los Angeles Clippers Receive: SG/SF Kent Bazemore

They need another wing even after adding Danilo Gallinari. J.J. Redick left for the Philadelphia 76ers, they shipped out Jamal Crawford, and the Clippers hard-capped themselves in the Gallinari sign-and-trade, making it more difficult to keep Luc Mbah a Moute.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2721018-impact-moves-teams-should-still-pursue-during-nba-offseason

Thoughts??

No thanks. The Clippers have more of a need at SG now who can shoot as well as play defense. While Bazemore's defense and length provide welcomed benefits, his shooting isn't reliable and he's had off-the-court issues. Luc Richard Mbah a Moute would give us similar things but at a much cheaper cost. The Clippers will look to make plays in free agency over the next couple of seasons, so we'd need to have movable contracts. Bazemore's does not qualify.

[clips4ever]

Watch out for Mike Dunleavy Jr, heard somewhere that Clips were interested in him. Would be a good shooting wing for ~15 mins a game.

[Captain Ballmer]

I like Bazemore very much but we are gonna be active buyer at both 2018&2019 FA's for George&Klay respectively, so there is no logic to take contract approximately 19M/year that lasts until 2020 summer.

So instead of Bazemore, i 'd look for some alternatives with cheaper contracts and better fits. One example is Terrence Ross from Orlando Magic. Magic just signed with J.Simmons at the wing while have rookie Isaac, Fournier, Gordon, Hezonja on their roster. They are loaded at the wings more than they need. Also, they might be looking the shed some salary beyond 2018 summer since 2018 will be the contract extension year for both Aaron Gordon and Elfrid Payton. Ross making 10.5M for 2018-2019 while they are already loaded with Vucevic, Biyombo, DJ Augustin, Simmons, Fournier, Isaac, Hezonja nearly 75M. Add that Gordon and Elfrid Extenions and that payroll would up to 115M.

Lou+Wesley for Terrence Ross wouldn't hurt our chances at 2018&2019 FA market while Orlando shed some salary and avoid unnecessary Tax payments. win-win that's the trade i'd go for.

Just imagine Teo+Austin+Ross+Dekker+Harrell bench...

[janmagn]

I like Bazemore very much but we are gonna be active buyer at both 2018&2019 FA's for George&Klay respectively, so there is no logic to take contract approximately 19M/year that lasts until 2020 summer.

So instead of Bazemore, i 'd look for some alternatives with cheaper contracts and better fits. One example is Terrence Ross from Orlando Magic. Magic just signed with J.Simmons at the wing while have rookie Isaac, Fournier, Gordon, Hezonja on their roster. They are loaded at the wings more than they need. Also, they might be looking the shed some salary beyond 2018 summer since 2018 will be the contract extension year for both Aaron Gordon and Elfrid Payton. Ross making 10.5M for 2018-2019 while they are already loaded with Vucevic, Biyombo, DJ Augustin, Simmons, Fournier, Isaac, Hezonja nearly 75M. Add that Gordon and Elfrid Extenions and that payroll would up to 115M.

Lou+Wesley for Terrence Ross wouldn't hurt our chances at 2018&2019 FA market while Orlando shed some salary and avoid unnecessary Tax payments. win-win that's the trade i'd go for.

Just imagine Teo+Austin+Ross+Dekker+Harrell bench...

Yeah, think about how bad of a lineup that really is

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[og15]

I like Bazemore very much but we are gonna be active buyer at both 2018&2019 FA's for George&Klay respectively, so there is no logic to take contract approximately 19M/year that lasts until 2020 summer.

So instead of Bazemore, i 'd look for some alternatives with cheaper contracts and better fits. One example is Terrence Ross from Orlando Magic. Magic just signed with J.Simmons at the wing while have rookie Isaac, Fournier, Gordon, Hezonja on their roster. They are loaded at the wings more than they need. Also, they might be looking the shed some salary beyond 2018 summer since 2018 will be the contract extension year for both Aaron Gordon and Elfrid Payton. Ross making 10.5M for 2018-2019 while they are already loaded with Vucevic, Biyombo, DJ Augustin, Simmons, Fournier, Isaac, Hezonja nearly 75M. Add that Gordon and Elfrid Extenions and that payroll would up to 115M.

Lou+Wesley for Terrence Ross wouldn't hurt our chances at 2018&2019 FA market while Orlando shed some salary and avoid unnecessary Tax payments. win-win that's the trade i'd go for.

Just imagine Teo+Austin+Ross+Dekker+Harrell bench...

Yeah, think about how bad of a lineup that really is

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Well it is a bench lineup, so it would need to be judged relative to other benches, but both Teo and Austin can't be bench players, one has to be starting.

[TucsonClip]

Watch out for Mike Dunleavy Jr, heard somewhere that Clips were interested in him. Would be a good shooting wing for ~15 mins a game.

He's going to be 37 when the season starts.

[Neddy]

Watch out for Mike Dunleavy Jr, heard somewhere that Clips were interested in him. Would be a good shooting wing for ~15 mins a game.

He's going to be 37 when the season starts.

MIke D Jr is gonna be 37? my god I remember him like a little baby when he first came into the league.

goddamn it I am getting too old, too fast.

[clips4ever]

Side note- does anyone see the Lakers fans in the general board literally thinking PG is going to the Lakers because he tweeted "God is good." And they call us delusional..

[QRich3]

I like Bazemore very much but we are gonna be active buyer at both 2018&2019 FA's for George&Klay respectively, so there is no logic to take contract approximately 19M/year that lasts until 2020 summer.

So instead of Bazemore, i 'd look for some alternatives with cheaper contracts and better fits. One example is Terrence Ross from Orlando Magic. Magic just signed with J.Simmons at the wing while have rookie Isaac, Fournier, Gordon, Hezonja on their roster. They are loaded at the wings more than they need. Also, they might be looking the shed some salary beyond 2018 summer since 2018 will be the contract extension year for both Aaron Gordon and Elfrid Payton. Ross making 10.5M for 2018-2019 while they are already loaded with Vucevic, Biyombo, DJ Augustin, Simmons, Fournier, Isaac, Hezonja nearly 75M. Add that Gordon and Elfrid Extenions and that payroll would up to 115M.

Lou+Wesley for Terrence Ross wouldn't hurt our chances at 2018&2019 FA market while Orlando shed some salary and avoid unnecessary Tax payments. win-win that's the trade i'd go for.

Just imagine Teo+Austin+Ross+Dekker+Harrell bench...

Yeah, think about how bad of a lineup that really is

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Well it is a bench lineup, so it would need to be judged relative to other benches, but both Teo and Austin can't be bench players, one has to be starting.

Yeah I wanted Milos to start and Beverley coming from the bench with Lou. But then Austin is still an awkward fit with the starters. Honestly, I like Austin and think we should hold on to any young player like him, but on the other hand I can't help wanting to trade him for any off-ball SG whose calling card is playing defense, so that the team can fit together properly for once in Doc's tenure. Playing Milos and Lou together is a no-no, but playing Austin with any one of them isn't good either.

I know it makes no sense because of age + contract, but the team would be a lot better this season if we traded Austin for Courtney Lee.

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Can somebody post this? Want to see what the Clippers get out of this. Lot of what I'm getting is from the Cavs and Piston's side, meaning the Clippers are not discussed.

[nickhx2]

they get rekt out of this

[madmaxmedia]

I just want to know what we offered!

This article presents 4 different trade scenarios:
https://www.clipsnation.com/2017/7/25/16029502/kyrie-irving-wants-out-of-cleveland-what-are-clippers-trade-options-los-angeles-cavaliers-phoenix

As sexy as it sounds, I don't know if there's a trade scenario that is good for us that Cleveland will accept. Scenario #3 in the linked article would be great, but doubt Cleveland will go for it.

I kind of like our team now, not in a championship-caliber way but in a I think they'll be fun to watch and better than expected way. Now that we got a lot of new perimeter players and shooters, I think DJ is more valuable to us. If we trade him in some sort of package for Kyrie, we are going to absolutely horrible defensively.

[Ranma]

I've previously stated my misgivings towards pursuing Kyrie Irving even while I acknowledged that, from a talent and asset-value standpoint, he'd be well worth it. Those misgivings concern the team makeup as well as our plans in free agency in the near term.

Having said that, if Jerry West signs off on pursuing him, I'm not going to vehemently protest it, especially since I used to be a big fan of Irving's, so I want to discuss the rumored trade offers. The proposals tweeted below have not been confirmed but I wanted to cite them for the sake of discussion.

Obviously, DJ would have to be involved as the centerpiece of the Clippers' offer. The appeal of Beverly is evident and one I would be reluctant to part with given that LeBron would love to play with a player like him, which would help our free-agent pursuits IMO. Losing Dekker would be another pain point but not a deal-breaker.

A trade for Irving and Jordan straight-up works on the ESPN trade machine, but if other sweeteners are to be added, I'd prefer to give up Junior Rivers and Dekker, if we absolutely had to. I'd do whatever I can to keep Beverly.

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[Ranma]

Yet another reminder of how draft picks (and finding the right talent with them along with proper development) can help when unexpected situations present themselves.

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[nickhx2]

if I see doc in real life in going to ask him if effort counts more than draft picks.

[esqtvd]

if I see doc in real life in going to ask him if effort counts more than draft picks.

The Cavs threw away a 1st-round junk pick a la Doc just to dump Varejão. When the Cavs are saying a "draft pick," I assume they mean a decent one. All draft picks are not created equal and I don't assume other teams are stupid and overvalue late picks--which is all we've had at best. Junk picks are better than nothing of course but they usually find themselves included in minor deals. They really don't move the meter when an All-Star is at stake.

DJ-Beverley-Dekker was an OK offer and a signal that the days of standing still are over. That's still 2 of our top 5 players. But there's just not enough possible upside there for the Cavs I guess--you want to at least have a chance at replacing Kyrie and that's where a Top 15 pick or better is necessary. We couldn't offer that even if we had our picks. Remember, the Grizz already dealt the Dudley pick away for 2 second-rounders. The Cavs are not looking for second-rounders, and that's all a junk pick is worth on the open market.

Hell, Dekker was an 18th pick, and he's JB [Just Breathing]. The Cavs ain't stupid.

[Ranma]

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[Neddy]

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more draft picks? unless Lebron himself is coming, no thanks. I will gladly watch Patrick Beverly roam around the staples with Blake, DJ, Milos, and Gallo around him all day long. Brice can come off the bench and amuse me.

[esqtvd]

Proof the Cavs are not stupid, and neither are the Pacers. All first round picks are not created equal. There are real picks and there are junk picks.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/247055/Cavs-Paul-George-Trade-Fell-Apart-On-Pick-Protections