Kyrie Trade Discussion Continued

[BasketballFan7]

i hope, that some talent will stay in the east. so the two trades i like would be

Irving
for
Melo and 2 picks

and

Dragic, Ellington
for
Love

Makes sense and all three teams included get better, and that's the goal, isn't it?

[Neeva]

Not only do I have a hard time understanding why Irving to the Bucks is barely being mentioned nationally, I'm having a hard time figuring why the deal isn't already done. Middleton and Brogdon, plus a pick for Kyrie. At the very least some writer should be speaking of the logic this deal makes. Instead crickets

Probably because no one outside of Wisconsin cares about the Bucks

[Mr Anonymous]

Not only do I have a hard time understanding why Irving to the Bucks is barely being mentioned nationally, I'm having a hard time figuring why the deal isn't already done. Middleton and Brogdon, plus a pick for Kyrie. At the very least some writer should be speaking of the logic this deal makes. Instead crickets

Probably because no one outside of Wisconsin cares about the Bucks

Oh and people outside of Colorado care about the Nuggets? People outside Minnesota care about the T-Wolves? Thanks for lowering the intelligence level of the conversation though

[bwgood77]

uh...just because suns fans are hyped for them, doesnt mean they are necessarily worth very much. whats also important is how the other team views them.

chriss may become the next mcdyess, but odds say he wont. you almost sound like used car salesman in this post.

I REALLY hope the Cavs view those guys like you do. I would hate to trade one of them for Kyrie.

you clearly view the suns players through a homers eyes and dont think highly of irving.

how can your evaluation of any potential suns-cavs trades be taken seriously?

It's not that I think any of these players are anything near Kyrie, it's that our team isn't ready to take the next step. When you miss the playoffs for 7 years, and have 4-5 lottery picks developing because of it, and a team clearly not ready to even be in the top 11 or 12 in the west, why deplete any of those developing players, along with picks you have gained to try and make the 8th seed for a guy that you will likely have for 2 years and still not make the playoffs? He MAY just make you good enough to be 9th or 10th in the west, but then you've got fewer assets in that pool remaining 2 years later when he leaves and you take another step back. On top of that, your remaining developing players likely get their development stunted because they are playing with a guy who launches 25 shots per game or so.

Per Zach Lowe, when LeBron sat, his shots per 36 rank like top 6 ever, shooting at a higher rate than Kobe ever did. His team played terribly when he was on the floor without LeBron, yet he was still playing with a group of players better than the Suns. They had a losing record. Him being such a good scorer didn't translate to team success. On the right team his skills are very valuable, when his poor defense and lack of getting others involved can be covered by a player like LeBron, who is a premier defender and gets his teammates involved. Kyrie is best served to play with players who are great defenders and who can spread the floor with their shooting. The Suns have none of that.

The Suns are not on his list, and when a player has a list of teams and two years left on his contract, what's the point of the worst team in the west depleting it's pool of assets to trade for him? I know not all of our young players will pan out. I'm not particularly high on Chriss, but he does have super athleticism and some raw talent is there. He could turn into a stretch 4 who can hit 3s, block shots and be a great finisher. Bender has displayed some very high bbiq, perimeter defensive skills and passing ability. He is still like the 11th youngest player in the league.

There is just not much point in the Suns giving up young developing players that may not look great after one year of playing, being two of the youngest guys in the league, yet still very raw. I am higher on Warren than most as well, as he was stuck behind PJ Tucker for most of his time and has dealt with unfortunate injuries. When he wasn't dealing with injuries last year, he was usually our best player on the floor. Josh Jackson has very high upside and is finally a good defender the Suns desperately need..he does a lot of little thing and leaves his heart on the floor.

You can call me a homer because of my thoughts, though Suns fans wouldn't as I am not particularly high on Booker, relatively speaking, but I know he's young as well, and could possibly turn into something special. There are a lot of unknowns. We have already made the mistake of dealing potentially high picks in trades, and it's come back to bite us.

I'd just like to develop our players and have a chance at another high pick such as Bagley, Doncic, Ayton, Bamba or Porter, rather than make a short sighted run at trying to make the playoffs for two years, potentially missing out on those guys, only to take another huge step back two years down the line. It's short sighted and ridiculously stupid in my opinion.

[bwgood77]

Not only do I have a hard time understanding why Irving to the Bucks is barely being mentioned nationally, I'm having a hard time figuring why the deal isn't already done. Middleton and Brogdon, plus a pick for Kyrie. At the very least some writer should be speaking of the logic this deal makes. Instead crickets

Probably because no one outside of Wisconsin cares about the Bucks

Oh and people outside of Colorado care about the Nuggets? People outside Minnesota care about the T-Wolves? Thanks for lowering the intelligence level of the conversation though

Neeva, don't bash teams, bait fan bases and derail the thread. Mr Anonymous, there is no need to respond to such drivel and like you said, participate in reducing the intelligence level of the conversation. People could claim no one outside of Phoenix cares about the Suns, being one of the worst teams in the league, but they'd be wrong, because polls on our forum show there are fans across the country and almost as many fans spread around the globe and outside of the united states on our forum. If that's the case for the Suns, I imagine it is for all the other teams as well.

[Mr Anonymous]

Neeva, don't bash teams, bait fan bases and derail the thread. Mr Anonymous, there is no need to respond to such drivel and like you said, participate in reducing the intelligence level of the conversation. People could claim no one outside of Phoenix cares about the Suns, being one of the worst teams in the league, but they'd be wrong, because polls on our forum show there are fans across the country and almost as many fans spread around the globe and outside of the united states on our forum. If that's the case for the Suns, I imagine it is for all the other teams as well.

As a Green Bay Packer fan living in Nevada, you don't need to explain to me how a small market team can have a huge following throughout not only the nation but the world as well. Thus why I made the point about the lack of intelligence behind the comment made. There's no use for it

To add to the poster's naivete, Giannis Antetokounmpo of the so very dismiss-able Milwaukee Bucks is quickly becoming one of the most recognizable NBA stars globally. You probably could have stopped after your first sentence

[bwgood77]

Neeva, don't bash teams, bait fan bases and derail the thread. Mr Anonymous, there is no need to respond to such drivel and like you said, participate in reducing the intelligence level of the conversation. People could claim no one outside of Phoenix cares about the Suns, being one of the worst teams in the league, but they'd be wrong, because polls on our forum show there are fans across the country and almost as many fans spread around the globe and outside of the united states on our forum. If that's the case for the Suns, I imagine it is for all the other teams as well.

As a Green Bay Packer fan living in Nevada, you don't need to explain to me how a small market team can have a huge following throughout not only the nation but the world as well. Thus why I made the point about the lack of intelligence behind the comment made. There's no use for it

To add to the poster's naivete, Giannis Antetokounmpo of the so very dismiss-able Milwaukee Bucks is quickly becoming one of the most recognizable NBA stars globally. You probably could have stopped after your first sentence

Yes, I could have responded just to him, and you had a good rebuttal, but responding to such comments occasionally starts a huge back and forth that is pointless because it all started with one person baiting and trolling a fan base, so I just wanted to point out it's pointless to respond to such comments.

[GANGSTERDOG]

Not only do I have a hard time understanding why Irving to the Bucks is barely being mentioned nationally, I'm having a hard time figuring why the deal isn't already done. Middleton and Brogdon, plus a pick for Kyrie. At the very least some writer should be speaking of the logic this deal makes. Instead crickets

Probably because no one outside of Wisconsin cares about the Bucks

Oh and people outside of Colorado care about the Nuggets? People outside Minnesota care about the T-Wolves? Thanks for lowering the intelligence level of the conversation though

But both of you are right.

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[The_Hater]

What does Marquiss Chriss project to?

I know he was very bad defensively as a rookie. His box score production was decent for his age.

I personally think he's projects to be another Wesley Johnson.

What?! Not sure you watch the same Chriss I did-
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/marquese-chriss/

So instead of Wes Johnson, he might be the next Mo Harkless. Awesome.

[phraoh]

As a Cavs fan, there are several players/teams I would like getting some of their players, especially Milwaukee, Phoenix, and Denver. The problem is that I consider the best potential team in the East, and you always hesitate to trade an all star like Kyrie to your direct competition. So, preference would be one of the teams out west, but obviously depends on what the best package that one of those teams agree to. I like Criss on Phoenix and he would have to be included. I like Middleton on Milwaukee and he would have to be inlcuded, and I like Harris on Denver and he would have to be included. Harris has the problem of being a restricted free agent at the end of the year. I do think Cavs are looking at their payroll, and while that isn't the main consideration in a deal, they are probably looking into good younger players that have at least two years at their present deal. That is one of the reasons I really like Middleton, as well as Chriss who is much less seasoned and proven, but showed a lot of potential last year.

I do think Cavs will make a trade within the next couple of weeks with the best combination of what they are looking for: young veteran who will start, promising young player, and maybe a rotation guy, along with a draft pick or two. Also, will look to reduce salary this year slightly (x 4 makes it a lot), and have Shumpert + ??? along with the trade. Should be interesting to see what they get.

[OsuCavsfan103]

Cavs should simply scoff at any low offers for Kyrie right now, and keep him til the trade deadline and re-evaluate then. We don't have to trade him.

He is a 25 year old scoring machine, with over 25ppg on 5.8 assists, a 23PER, 47% FG 40% from 3, 90% FT shooter, multiple all-star, NBA finals experienced, and still has 2 guaranteed years on his contract. All our angst against him aside, he is still a ridiculously good player who probably hasn't peaked yet.

If teams want to keep offering weak deals, screw it. There is no reason we have to trade him.

[Takingbaconback]

Cavs should simply scoff at any low offers for Kyrie right now, and keep him til the trade deadline and re-evaluate then. We don't have to trade him.

He is a 25 year old scoring machine, with over 25ppg on 5.8 assists, a 23PER, 47% FG 40% from 3, 90% FT shooter, multiple all-star, NBA finals experienced, and still has 2 guaranteed years on his contract. All our angst against him aside, he is still a ridiculously good player who probably hasn't peaked yet.

If teams want to keep offering weak deals, screw it. There is no reason we have to trade him.

I hope they do keep him. It will be very entertaining to see how they are going to play. Ultimate test of how important chemistry is in the NBA (at least in the regular season).

[BasketballFan7]

Cavs should simply scoff at any low offers for Kyrie right now, and keep him til the trade deadline and re-evaluate then. We don't have to trade him.

He is a 25 year old scoring machine, with over 25ppg on 5.8 assists, a 23PER, 47% FG 40% from 3, 90% FT shooter, multiple all-star, NBA finals experienced, and still has 2 guaranteed years on his contract. All our angst against him aside, he is still a ridiculously good player who probably hasn't peaked yet.

If teams want to keep offering weak deals, screw it. There is no reason we have to trade him.

Except, these are people. They aren't robots. The entire season is very potentially sacrificed if the players are unhappy. Now, if the Cavaliers want to punt this year and try and convince Irving to stay if LeBron departs, then sure.

[OsuCavsfan103]

Cavs should simply scoff at any low offers for Kyrie right now, and keep him til the trade deadline and re-evaluate then. We don't have to trade him.

He is a 25 year old scoring machine, with over 25ppg on 5.8 assists, a 23PER, 47% FG 40% from 3, 90% FT shooter, multiple all-star, NBA finals experienced, and still has 2 guaranteed years on his contract. All our angst against him aside, he is still a ridiculously good player who probably hasn't peaked yet.

If teams want to keep offering weak deals, screw it. There is no reason we have to trade him.

Except, these are people. They aren't robots. The entire season is very potentially sacrificed if the players are unhappy. Now, if the Cavaliers want to punt this year and try and convince Irving to stay if LeBron departs, then sure.

So what is Kyrie going to do, refuse to play? Intentionally play poorly? He as to still showcase himself, especially if he wants to be the man. He has to convince teams that he can be the alpha somewhere, but he also should know if teams aren't going to pony up, Cavs aren't just about to sell him off for scraps. Look at the attitude by Gilbert on Indy, he basically was mocking how dumb it was to make such a poor deal, and Indy had nowhere near the leverage CLE has right now.

LeBron and Kyrie don't have to be buddies, they simply have to co-exist, and Kyrie is going to have to keep giving it was 100% or else he is going to only hurt himself by having teams bring in meager offers. Also, if Cavs feel LeBron is definitely gone, they could say screw it and decide they want to hold onto Kyrie for the rest of his deal since hey don't forget, he wants to the man.

[Amare_1_Knicks]

Cavs should simply scoff at any low offers for Kyrie right now, and keep him til the trade deadline and re-evaluate then. We don't have to trade him.

He is a 25 year old scoring machine, with over 25ppg on 5.8 assists, a 23PER, 47% FG 40% from 3, 90% FT shooter, multiple all-star, NBA finals experienced, and still has 2 guaranteed years on his contract. All our angst against him aside, he is still a ridiculously good player who probably hasn't peaked yet.

If teams want to keep offering weak deals, screw it. There is no reason we have to trade him.

If the reports of him cutting off contact with the entire Cavaliers franchise are true, as well the reports of him being supremely unhappy there, then that's plainly not an option. It wouldn't be good for morale for him, nor for James, nor the rest of the roster; what's more is if you want Lebron to stay long term - which is seeming increasingly unlikely - then a move needs to be made to appease him at this point.

[BasketballFan7]

Cavs should simply scoff at any low offers for Kyrie right now, and keep him til the trade deadline and re-evaluate then. We don't have to trade him.

He is a 25 year old scoring machine, with over 25ppg on 5.8 assists, a 23PER, 47% FG 40% from 3, 90% FT shooter, multiple all-star, NBA finals experienced, and still has 2 guaranteed years on his contract. All our angst against him aside, he is still a ridiculously good player who probably hasn't peaked yet.

If teams want to keep offering weak deals, screw it. There is no reason we have to trade him.

Except, these are people. They aren't robots. The entire season is very potentially sacrificed if the players are unhappy. Now, if the Cavaliers want to punt this year and try and convince Irving to stay if LeBron departs, then sure.

So what is Kyrie going to do, refuse to play? Intentionally play poorly? He as to still showcase himself, especially if he wants to be the man. He has to convince teams that he can be the alpha somewhere, but he also should know if teams aren't going to pony up, Cavs aren't just about to sell him off for scraps. Look at the attitude by Gilbert on Indy, he basically was mocking how dumb it was to make such a poor deal, and Indy had nowhere near the leverage CLE has right now.

LeBron and Kyrie don't have to be buddies, they simply have to co-exist, and Kyrie is going to have to keep giving it was 100% or else he is going to only hurt himself by having teams bring in meager offers. Also, if Cavs feel LeBron is definitely gone, they could say screw it and decide they want to hold onto Kyrie for the rest of his deal since hey don't forget, he wants to the man.

Unhappy workers are worse at their jobs. This is true for all occupations. The reports don't sound promising, and it would be an easy way to truly ensure LeBron's exit.

[OsuCavsfan103]

Cavs should simply scoff at any low offers for Kyrie right now, and keep him til the trade deadline and re-evaluate then. We don't have to trade him.

He is a 25 year old scoring machine, with over 25ppg on 5.8 assists, a 23PER, 47% FG 40% from 3, 90% FT shooter, multiple all-star, NBA finals experienced, and still has 2 guaranteed years on his contract. All our angst against him aside, he is still a ridiculously good player who probably hasn't peaked yet.

If teams want to keep offering weak deals, screw it. There is no reason we have to trade him.

If the reports of him cutting off contact with the entire Cavaliers franchise are true, as well the reports of him being supremely unhappy there, then that's plainly not an option. It wouldn't be good for morale for him, nor for James, nor the rest of the roster; what's more is if you want Lebron to stay long term - which is seeming increasingly unlikely - then a move needs to be made to appease him at this point.

Sure it is, if we don't get a deal worthy of a trade. Heck, we can sit him out if we feel like it, for the regular season we got Drose now, which regular season wise will do for awhile til Kyrie can be flipped.

Why should the Cavaliers be forced to sell Kyrie for cheap when he has 2 years left on his deal? At some point we have to trade him barring some unexpected turnaround sure, but for now we do not. This whole mantra people have of us needing to unload him before the season starts is ludicrous, and exactly what teams are sitting back preying on.

If Kyrie wants to be the man, he has to man up, be mature, and play basketball under his contract until a move that makes sense is there. If he wants to be a child, ignore the team, and do all that, he is only hurting himself.

[DowJones]

Except, these are people. They aren't robots. The entire season is very potentially sacrificed if the players are unhappy. Now, if the Cavaliers want to punt this year and try and convince Irving to stay if LeBron departs, then sure.

So what is Kyrie going to do, refuse to play? Intentionally play poorly? He as to still showcase himself, especially if he wants to be the man. He has to convince teams that he can be the alpha somewhere, but he also should know if teams aren't going to pony up, Cavs aren't just about to sell him off for scraps. Look at the attitude by Gilbert on Indy, he basically was mocking how dumb it was to make such a poor deal, and Indy had nowhere near the leverage CLE has right now.

LeBron and Kyrie don't have to be buddies, they simply have to co-exist, and Kyrie is going to have to keep giving it was 100% or else he is going to only hurt himself by having teams bring in meager offers. Also, if Cavs feel LeBron is definitely gone, they could say screw it and decide they want to hold onto Kyrie for the rest of his deal since hey don't forget, he wants to the man.

Unhappy workers are worse at their jobs. This is true for all occupations. The reports don't sound promising, and it would be an easy way to truly ensure LeBron's exit.

An unhappy Kyrie is still better than a bad return. And once the playoffs start then focus turns only to play on the court.

I think Cleveland should see what they can get. If the offers are junk, keep Kyrie. You don't trade him to the Knicks for Melo and protected first rounders. You don't trade him to the Suns for Bledsoe and protected first rounders.

[The_Hater]

Cavs should simply scoff at any low offers for Kyrie right now, and keep him til the trade deadline and re-evaluate then. We don't have to trade him.

He is a 25 year old scoring machine, with over 25ppg on 5.8 assists, a 23PER, 47% FG 40% from 3, 90% FT shooter, multiple all-star, NBA finals experienced, and still has 2 guaranteed years on his contract. All our angst against him aside, he is still a ridiculously good player who probably hasn't peaked yet.

If teams want to keep offering weak deals, screw it. There is no reason we have to trade him.

Well anytime a allstar level player is traded, the team losing the allstar loses the deal 90% of he time. 95% if Billy King isn't involved. It happens over and over in the NBA and this won't likely be any different. Had George and Butler still been on the market the Cavs could have still made out quite well in a deal.

[OsuCavsfan103]

Plus let's be honest, Dan Gilbert is a dbag, he is great in paying to win etc, but I can easily see him shipping off Kyrie to some low level market that Kyrie would not enjoy as long as it brought us back a decent deal. Especially if he feels like LeBron is gone. This is a chance for Gilbert to get back at a player trying to play hardball with him like LeBron has, only he can't get anything on LeBron, so he may very well try to do so a bit on Kyrie. He seems like that kind of guy.